Game 53: Detroit v. New Orleans

[DetroitSho]

Kinda like those "there's mutual interest between Kaman and the Pistons" stories for the last 4 years? By the way l didn't ask you about beat writer bs speculation, l was asking from someone in the organization saying this very move was being made happen.[/quote]

Are you on crack or something? Where did I say the Pistons organization said they were resigning Ben?[/quote]
OK so you're admitting to foolishly taking a beat writer/reporter's speculation on what they said could see happening as gospel. Not only that, you've been championing it all season. Again, you're wondering why something that someone NOT in the Pistons organization said could happen hasn't happened. Good job pal.

[Goldtop]

Contrary to the box score, Calderon was not the best player. In fact, IMO he was a net negative. Other than a couple of pick and rolls with Moose, his other assists were from players creating from themselves. Today Jose was a high usage player that didn't yield the right results. Give someone that kind of reign for 40 minutes if they're Parker or Paul. A player of Calderon's caliber should be able to do that as a backup. He also played no defense today. Every PG got into the paint at will.

No one played good today. Terrible effort all around. Moose got abused by Lopez all night. We didn't trade for Calderon for his defense, and I'm sure they did so with having Drummond in the paint on defense in mind. So however it looks on defense with Calderon now isn't what its going to look like in the future when Drummond returns.

But tonight this game was lost in the paint, with their bigs dominating our bigs inside. We didn't lose because of Joses defense tonight, from what I saw. It was CV/Max not being able to stay with Anderson on the perimeter, and Moose not being able to handle Lopez size inside. Along with none of our guard being able to finish at the basket with all their bigs length.

[qm22]

Jose was the one allowing his man to get into the paint at will.

This is something that we'll all have to get used to. The midget backcourt with an old guy who gives up penetration a lot, a foul prone SF + 2 "big" men who are constantly late on rotations is going to give up lots and lots of points inside. And let's not forget the famous Bynum + Stuckey backcourt of non-defending. Some nights the offense can make up for it, like when CV is hitting his shots, but teams can't win consistently that way, much less win enough to get to the playoffs.

Sorry for asking, but why *must* we get used to it? I hardly see a good reason to force a predictably horrible scenario on ourselves.

Specifically, why do we force ourselves into having a midget backcourt with a bad defender at PG, and why do we keep starting Singler? I know we are short on SFs now but wow Singler has been bad in the extreme ever since a hot start the first 10 games that won Frank over.

[Goldtop]

OK so you're admitting to foolishly taking a beat writer/reporter's speculation on what they said could see happening as gospel. Not only that, you've been championing it all season. Again, you're wondering why something that someone NOT in the Pistons organization said could happen hasn't happened. Good job pal.

Foolishly taking a reporters speculation? Ben HIMSELF said he expected to be playing again soon, AT A PISTONS GAME. He's been working out at Palace on/off all year. Are you that naive that you cant put 2 and 2 together? What is so hard for you to understand, are you retarted? man...

[starfire81]

Jose was the one allowing his man to get into the paint at will.

This is something that we'll all have to get used to. The midget backcourt with an old guy who gives up penetration a lot, a foul prone SF + 2 "big" men who are constantly late on rotations is going to give up lots and lots of points inside. Some nights the offense can make up for it, like when CV is hitting his shots, but teams can't win consistently that way, much less win enough to get to the playoffs.

This is exactly correct. It was hilarious how every time we would cut it down to almost single digits we would give up a layup or wide open three or something like that. It's impossible to win like that, especially when our offense isn't even that good.

Yeah. Despite the near comeback, I knew once Monty got Vasquez/Lopez in it wouldn't matter. Pistons couldn't stop them at all, but they could stop us at the other end at will.

And how key is Drummond to Bynum's caliber of play? The guy has been a net negative since Andre's been out. Doesn't help to be in there with defensive stalwarts like CV, Monroe and Jose all the time though.

[starfire81]

Jose was the one allowing his man to get into the paint at will.

This is something that we'll all have to get used to. The midget backcourt with an old guy who gives up penetration a lot, a foul prone SF + 2 "big" men who are constantly late on rotations is going to give up lots and lots of points inside. And let's not forget the famous Bynum + Stuckey backcourt of non-defending. Some nights the offense can make up for it, like when CV is hitting his shots, but teams can't win consistently that way, much less win enough to get to the playoffs.

Sorry for asking, but why *must* we get used to it? I hardly see a good reason to force a predictably horrible scenario on ourselves.

Specifically, why do we force ourselves into having a midget backcourt with a bad defender at PG, and why do we keep starting Singler? I know we are short on SFs now but wow Singler has been bad in the extreme ever since a hot start the first 10 games that won Frank over.

Well, because frankly he's the best we've got unless Middleton is some kind of savior. We traded 2 rotation SFs after all. JJ has been horrible defensively as well, and Stuckey is a combo guard, not a SF, plus he can't shoot. Jose is what he is by now, good offensive player who needs to be hidden on defense. It is what it is. The only guy who can maybe change that is Andre, but starting with 4 guys who are at a disadvantage on defense? He's not going to be able to cover for all of them.

This is the direction Dumars chose for the team. He's stated he wants to keep Jose, so unless we get an actual SG in, that midget backcourt will likely stay. It's why I said we should get used to it; Lawrence Frank is a stubborn coach, and unless JD does something, he won't change the status quo.

[hoophabit]

This might be the worst I've ever seen the Pistons play all-time

Welcome, it's great to hear from a new Piston fan. I mean, obviously you haven't watched many games.

sorry, I've been watching since the bad boys and can't think of too many times we got punked like this at home against the worst team in the WC, without their best player. Where every player on our team had a bad game, and seemingly every player on the other team could do no wrong. If you can think of some, please share

It was just a joke. I'm not going to search through years of records to find examples, but it wouldn't be too hard. Most teams have several games like this during any season. Even the Bad Boys had games where they were handed their head. Our current Pistons are on the whole pretty bad and it is frustrating.

[ADflight1]

Moose is bad defensively against bigger guys like Lopez but you guys exaggerate about his defense way too much. He's a good PnR defender imo, he's better suited to guard 4's because he'll have the size advantage on most nights..look at the bigs he has played with his whole career. Jonas Jerebko? C'mon..Jason Maxiell? Charlie Villanueva? When he's on the floor with AD, the defense is a lot better...

[Jodi]

We played horrible tonight!.. That is all I need to say...

[Goldtop]

It was just a joke. I'm not going to search through years of records to find examples, but it wouldn't be too hard. Most teams have several games like this during any season. Even the Bad Boys had games where they were handed their head. Our current Pistons are on the whole pretty bad and it is frustrating.

yeah, sorry for getting on you, this team just gets frustrating sometimes like you said.

If there's a silver lining I guess maybe this game could end up working in our favor come ping pong ball time

[DetroitSho]

OK so you're admitting to foolishly taking a beat writer/reporter's speculation on what they said could see happening as gospel. Not only that, you've been championing it all season. Again, you're wondering why something that someone NOT in the Pistons organization said could happen hasn't happened. Good job pal.

Foolishly taking a reporters speculation? Ben HIMSELF said he expected to be playing again soon, AT A PISTONS GAME. He's been working out at Palace on/off all year. Are you that naive that you cant put 2 and 2 together? What is so hard for you to understand, are you retarted? man...

OK MODS let me get this straight, l got a bs warning for asking a sensitive ass poster "he mad?", but this dude has alluded to me being on crack and being (Please Use More Appropriate Word), OK got it. If memory serves me right, you're originally Fliptheswitch from DetNews and that other whinefest forum that was created after it folded, so you're already aware of the type of response l can give you and we'll be going for days. If you in fact are not Flip, l can show you and get right on your level with the insults but apparently I'm allowed no leeway around here so l won't even go there.

Fact of the matter is, I'm not disputing Ben as a possibility back but you for some reason you seem to be counting the damn days of his return like its inevitable. If this was the case and there was an understanding, CLEARLY it may have been conditional "under the right circumstances". Contrary to what you and others may believe, Andre going down may be even LESS of a reason to bring Ben back because whatever outside chance at the playoffs we had really ain't happening minus Andre/plus Ben.

So we bring Ben back for 10 minutes/ game to do what exactly? He made sense here if we were squeaking in. We could've not signed Middleton to a guaranteed deal if it was a slam dunk bringing Ben back. And when Ben was at the game we were in the middle of that bench getting itself going and things were looking up. Now, other than not seeing Maxiell get turned into some 7 Footer's backpack at backup center (which is valid) what other reason is there to bring him back now?

[ComboGuardCity]

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[Goldtop]

OK so you're admitting to foolishly taking a beat writer/reporter's speculation on what they said could see happening as gospel. Not only that, you've been championing it all season. Again, you're wondering why something that someone NOT in the Pistons organization said could happen hasn't happened. Good job pal.

Foolishly taking a reporters speculation? Ben HIMSELF said he expected to be playing again soon, AT A PISTONS GAME. He's been working out at Palace on/off all year. Are you that naive that you cant put 2 and 2 together? What is so hard for you to understand, are you retarted? man...

OK MODS let me get this straight, l got a bs warning for asking a sensitive ass poster "he mad?", but this dude has alluded to me being on crack and being (Please Use More Appropriate Word), OK got it. If memory serves me right, you're originally Fliptheswitch from DetNews and that other whinefest forum that was created after it folded, so you're already aware of the type of response l can give you and we'll be going for days. If you in fact are not Flip, l can show you and get right on your level with the insults but apparently I'm allowed no leeway around here so l won't even go there.

Fact of the matter is, I'm not disputing Ben as a possibility back but you for some reason you seem to be counting the damn days of his return like its inevitable. If this was the case and there was an understanding, CLEARLY it may have been conditional "under the right circumstances". Contrary to what you and others may believe, Andre going down may be even LESS of a reason to bring Ben back because whatever outside chance at the playoffs we had really ain't happening minus Andre/plus Ben.

So we bring Ben back for 10 minutes/ game to do what exactly? He made sense here if we were squeaking in. We could've not signed Middleton to a guaranteed deal if it was a slam dunk bringing Ben back. And when Ben was at the game we were in the middle of that bench getting itself going and things were looking up. Now, other than not seeing Maxiell get turned into some 7 Footer's backpack at backup center (which is valid) what other reason is there to bring him back now?

Dude you need to chill out. All I did was post a question wondering why we haven't looked to resign Ben, given our obvious need for another big man now with Drummond out.

I don't understand why we haven't signed Big Ben yet. All the talk all year about him coming back, but just needed a roster spot. Then we clear a spot, he doesn't get signed. Then clear another spot w/ Drummond out and still doesn't get signed.

I wonder if it has something to do with possible trades and wanted to leave that roster spot open just in case

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You didn't even address whether or not you agreed with it. All you did was come at me basically accusing me of making up the whole idea of Ben returning, as if no one has ever heard of that before and I'm crazy for saying it or something. I tried to respond nicely and give my reasoning the first time, yet you continue to come back trying to call me out. So yeah, eventually I'm going to question if there's something wrong with you, because I clearly stated my reasoning the first time, that its been reported by a lot of ppl, not just me, but you kept coming back saying the same thing as if you have something against me personally. I have no idea who the heck you are, but you seem to think you know a lot about me. Which is odd how you know so much about the history of posters here, since you've only been posting since September, and I rarely ever see you post here .

I'm not going to get into a debate with you now about Ben coming back. If you wanted to discuss it with me, you should've addressed the topic in the first place, instead of trying to attack me.

I apologize if I offended you, but I was frustrated with the game and you wouldn't stop pestering me about the Pistons signing off on Ben coming back, when that wasn't even the point of my inital post. So if you're cool, I'm cool, and we can just forget this drama. peace

[mercury]

Pretty much a meaningless game with playoffs not being likely ... at this time I just want to see Stuckey & CV play well so we can get something of value.... it's not a surprise this group can't D.. no sense complaining about their physical disabilities.

I see TheShow is still shakin' some trees... must be a westsider
Good to see Gusman in the house... long time ... If I recall he's one of the funniest azz posters around (b4 the mods got too uptight)... could use some levity round here.

9 days fellas... let's call Bob Barker out of retirement... let's make a deal!

[princeofpalace]

Calderon is an atrocious defender, this is a known fact. The fact that our FO gave up our best perimeter defender for Jose is telling that we simply don't give a flying f about defense. We threw in the towel for the season, thats fine. We'll hopefully get a better loterry pick and have more capspace, which is what rebuilding teams like ours need.

But watching this team is so boring because I have zero interest in the Calderon show, and offensively, Singler, Stuckey, Bynum, Knight, CV, pretty much everyone outside of Greg Monroe suck on offense with or without Jose Calderon. And, they all pretty much suck on defense as well

[Piston Pete]

This game was a perfect indication of why I have been clamoring to add Aminu in the offseason. He's still only 22 years old and has potential to be our best SF since Grant Hill. Long, super athletic, hustler, good defender, good rebounder.

I hope we are able to trade Stuckey and Bynum soon. 1) They SHOULD be traded simply because they don't fit here anymore, and 2) so we can move Knight back to starting PG, and Calderon to the bench - where he should be. Yes, Calderon is a better 'floor general.' but a much worse defender. Play the youth!

[BadMofoPimp]

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I just reported this post!