North Korea successfully launches nuke test

[2010]

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea said it successfully detonated a miniaturized nuclear device at a northeastern test site Tuesday, defying U.N. Security Council orders to shut down atomic activity or face more sanctions and international isolation.

The underground explosion could take North Korea a big step closer to its goal of building a nuclear warhead small enough to be mounted on a long-range missile that could threaten the United States. It will also be seen as a direct message from young leader Kim Jong Un to the United States, Pyongyang's former wartime enemy.

North Korea's official state media said the test was conducted in a safe manner and is aimed at coping with "outrageous" U.S. hostility that "violently" undermines the North's peaceful, sovereign right to launch satellites. North Korea faced sanctions after a December launch of a rocket that the U.N. and Washington called a cover for a banned missile test. Pyongyang said it was a peaceful satellite launch.

The timing will be seen as significant. The test came hours before President Barack Obama was scheduled to give his State of the Union speech, a major, nationally televised address. It's also only days before the Saturday birthday of Kim Jong Un's father, late leader Kim Jong Il, whose memory North Korean propaganda has repeatedly linked to the country's nuclear ambitions. This year also marks the 60th anniversary of the signing of the armistice that ended the 1950-53 Korean War.

http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-says- ... 25z;_ylv=3

[fdr2012]

I don't see North Korea as a real threat. They are nothing more than a poor country managed by a childish regime. They can be contained until they come to their senses.

The real worry is Iran getting nukes. They are taking notes and they cannot be contained.

[aggo]

I don't see North Korea as a real threat. They are nothing more than a poor country managed by a childish regime. They can be contained until they come to their senses.

The real worry is Iran getting nukes. They are taking notes and they cannot be contained.

i dont think iran is dumb enough to develop nukes to use them. they want it for deterrence against israel when they inevitably attempt to seize more power/control over the middle east

north korea is unhinged. there is no telling what they will do and those people there are dumb enough to fire a nuke at japan, south korea, usa just because they can.

[fdr2012]

i dont think iran is dumb enough to develop nukes to use them. they want it for deterrence against israel when they inevitably attempt to seize more power/control over the middle east

north korea is unhinged. there is no telling what they will do and those people there are dumb enough to fire a nuke at japan, south korea, usa just because they can.

This makes no sense? Why would Iran need deterrence against Israel? Israel doesn't even have a common border with Iran. The entire Iranian-Israeli dispute had been manufactured by the Iranians. Israel has no interests in Iran, other than not wanting to be hit by their nukes.

If anything, they want it as deterrence against the US, not Israel.

If Iran does get a nuke, it will go off at some point within the US. You really don't understand the Iranian state of mind and goals. They are religious fanatics at their core and they seek world domination at any cost.

[rammagen]

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i dont think iran is dumb enough to develop nukes to use them. they want it for deterrence against israel when they inevitably attempt to seize more power/control over the middle east

north korea is unhinged. there is no telling what they will do and those people there are dumb enough to fire a nuke at japan, south korea, usa just because they can.

This post makes me really question what is happening in your mind. I am not saying what Israel is doing is right but they do not have the people or the equipment top take over the middle east. Crap they have issues securing shier own borders. If you are looking for external agitators in that region look at Iran

[NowWHYcee7]

Only white people are allowed to have nukes.

[Starks1994]

Dont feed the North Korean Troll

[Im Coming Home]

Should we even be worried? Does the US have missiles that can intercept these idiots possible attacks?

[H_20]

Invade theme now! If you disagree, you're not a real American.God bless the United States and only the United States!

[NJ_YANKEE_45]

I don't see North Korea as a real threat. They are nothing more than a poor country managed by a childish regime. They can be contained until they come to their senses.

The real worry is Iran getting nukes. They are taking notes and they cannot be contained.

Iran's attempts to build nuclear weapons and weapons like ours have failed miserably so far. But I will say today the greatest threat in the world is Iran because they're gaining more and more power in the Middle East and their Ayatollah and President are crazy people

[Ignitowsky]

Only white people are allowed to have nukes.

Except for india, Pakistan and China

OP, please change the thread title. There was nothing launched, they detonated a small bomb in an underground test facilty. Their GOAL is to be ABLE to one day develop a nuclear warhead that's small enough to fit on an ICBM.

[AndroidMan]

i dont think iran is dumb enough to develop nukes to use them. they want it for deterrence against israel when they inevitably attempt to seize more power/control over the middle east

north korea is unhinged. there is no telling what they will do and those people there are dumb enough to fire a nuke at japan, south korea, usa just because they can.

This makes no sense? Why would Iran need deterrence against Israel? Israel doesn't even have a common border with Iran. The entire Iranian-Israeli dispute had been manufactured by the Iranians. Israel has no interests in Iran, other than not wanting to be hit by their nukes.

If anything, they want it as deterrence against the US, not Israel.

If Iran does get a nuke, it will go off at some point within the US. You really don't understand the Iranian state of mind and goals. They are religious fanatics at their core and they seek world domination at any cost.

WTF? Do you forget the yahoo's speech at the UN reminding everyone that Iran has crossed the imaginary redline.



Israel is a war mongering country. They've even attacked US military in the USS Liberty attack. They participated in the Lavon affair, which is described as

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone

Iran is not an American problem, but rather an Israeli one. We no longer look after our own national interests, but are persuaded and conned into thinking ISrael's problems as ours. Americans are so deluded by the press, Israeli political action committees, and Israeli financed politicians who push Israeli's wars and problems onto the US. Here's a small list of American politicians that hold dual citizenship and allegiance to Israel.

Kenneth Adelman
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculous anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his racism or ignorance, he actually called Arabs "anti-Semitic" on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by definition are Semites.

I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Vice President Dick Cheney's ex-Chief of Staff. As chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iran. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Marc Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president. Libby was recently found guilty of lying to Federal investigators in the Valerie Plame affair, in which Plame, a covert CIA agent, was exposed for political revenge by the Bush administration following her husband's revelations about the lies leading to the Iraq War.

Robert Satloff
U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

Elliott Abrams
National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

Marc Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

Richard Haass
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocated going to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

Robert Zoellick
U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position. He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iran.

Ari Fleischer
Ex- White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad's Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.

James Schlesinger
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

David Frum
White House speechwriter behind the "Axis of Evil" label. He lumped together all the lies and accusations against Iraq for Bush to justify the war.

Joshua Bolten
White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Bolten was previously a banker, former legislative aide, and prominent in the Jewish community.

John Bolton
Former UN Representative and Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. Bolton is also a Senior Advisor to President Bush. Prior to this position, Bolton was Senior Vice President of the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktank, AEI. He recently (October 2002) accused Syria of having a nuclear program, so that they can attack Syria after Iraq. He must have forgotten that Israel has 400 nuclear warheads, some of which are thermonuclear weapons (according to a recent U.S. Air Force report).

David Wurmser
Special Assistant to John Bolton (above), the under-secretary for arms control and international security. Wurmser also worked at the AEI with Perle and Bolton. His wife, Meyrav Wurmser, along with Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence, co-founded the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri),a Washington-based Israeli outfit which distributes articles translated from Arabic newspapers portraying Arabs in a bad light.

Eliot Cohen
Member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. Like Adelman, he often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. More recently, he wrote an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal openly admitting his rascist hatred of Islam claiming that Islam should be the enemy, not terrorism.

Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also served as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

Adam Goldman
White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

Christopher Gersten
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary.

Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs.

Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Daniel Kurtzer
Ambassador to Israel.

Cliff Sobel
Ambassador to the Netherlands.

Stuart Bernstein
Ambassador to Denmark.

Nancy Brinker
Ambassador to Hungary

Frank Lavin
Ambassador to Singapore.

Ron Weiser
Ambassador to Slovakia.

Mel Sembler
Ambassador to Italy.

Martin Silverstein
Ambassador to Uruguay.

Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.

Jay Lefkowitz
Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

Ken Melman
White House Political Director.

Brad Blakeman
White House Director of Scheduling.

[AndroidMan]

Before I am so predictably called an anti semite, I will say that I don't hate Jewish people, but rather Zionism, and yes there's a difference. Here are some Jewish people I support, who condemn and oppose Zionism and Israeli aggression.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0haybEo-Tx4[/youtube]

[johnnywishbone]

Dont feed the North Korean Troll

Yeah, this probably has nothing to do with us and is all for internal consumption. To hold onto power the "dear" leader has to demonstrate that he can raise his international profile.

INB4KimJungUn asks for more money/food/backsheesh to slow his activities.

[johnnywishbone]

Before I am so predictably called an anti semite, I will say that I don't hate Jewish people, but rather Zionism, and yes there's a difference. Here are some Jewish people I support, who condemn and oppose Zionism and Israeli aggression.

You are right. You are not an anti-semite. edit: please dont insult other posters

[Jeff Van Gully]

Before I am so predictably called an anti semite, I will say that I don't hate Jewish people, but rather Zionism, and yes there's a difference. Here are some Jewish people I support, who condemn and oppose Zionism and Israeli aggression.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0haybEo-Tx4[/youtube]

and 1, ref.

[aggo]

if you guys cant see why Iran wants nukes, and that NK is infinitely more likely to fire one at california, i dont know what to tell you guys.....

[johnnywishbone]

if you guys cant see why Iran wants nukes, and that NK is infinitely more likely to fire one at california, i dont know what to tell you guys.....

If you really want to know what Iran is up to you should read this book:

Over the past thirty years, while the United States has turned either a blind or dismissive eye, Iran has emerged as a nation every bit as capable of altering America’s destiny as traditional superpowers Russia and China. Indeed, one of this book’s central arguments is that, in some ways, Iran’s grip on America’s future is even tighter.

As ex–CIA operative Robert Baer masterfully shows, Iran has maneuvered itself into the elite superpower ranks by exploiting Americans’ false perceptions of what Iran is—by letting us believe it is a country run by scowling religious fanatics, too preoccupied with theocratic jostling and terrorist agendas to strengthen its political and economic foundations.

The reality is much more frightening—and yet contained in the potential catastrophe is an implicit political response that, if we’re bold enough to adopt it, could avert disaster.

Baer’s on-the-ground sleuthing and interviews with key Middle East players—everyone from an Iranian ayatollah to the king of Bahrain to the head of Israel’s internal security—paint a picture of the centuries-old Shia nation that is starkly the opposite of the one normally drawn. For example, Iran’s hate-spouting President Ahmadinejad is by no means the true spokesman for Iranian foreign policy, nor is Iran making it the highest priority to become a nuclear player.

Even so, Baer has discovered that Iran is currently engaged in a soft takeover of the Middle East, that the proxy method of war-making and co-option it perfected with Hezbollah in Lebanon is being exported throughout the region, that Iran now controls a significant portion of Iraq, that it is extending its influence over Jordan and Egypt, that the Arab Emirates and other Gulf States are being pulled into its sphere, and that it will shortly have a firm hold on the world’s oil spigot.

By mixing anecdotes with information gleaned from clandestine sources, Baer superbly demonstrates that Iran, far from being a wild-eyed rogue state, is a rational actor—one skilled in the game of nations and so effective at thwarting perceived Western colonialism that even rival Sunnis relish fighting under its banner.

For U.S. policy makers, the choices have narrowed: either cede the world’s most important energy corridors to a nation that can match us militarily with its asymmetric capabilities (which include the use of suicide bombers)—or deal with the devil we know. We might just find that in allying with Iran, we’ll have increased not just our own security but that of all Middle East nations.The alternative—to continue goading Iran into establishing hegemony over the Muslim world—is too chilling to contemplate.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Devil-We-Know ... 0307408671

[rammagen]

Before I am so predictably called an anti semite, I will say that I don't hate Jewish people, but rather Zionism, and yes there's a difference. Here are some Jewish people I support, who condemn and oppose Zionism and Israeli aggression.

You are right. You are not an anti-semite. You are just stupid.

I would not call him stupid but rather ill informed. You bring out some crap from 1954 on a false flag operation then name a bunch of people with Jewish last names in the administration as people steering this belief about iran...
OK fine you are you are entitled to your beliefs no matter how incorrect they are. Iran is a bigger threat then NK why because they have money and have proved the willingness to use weapons of mass destruction with chemical weapons and an unstable leadership with money because NK just has unstable leadership

[AndroidMan]

I would not call him stupid but rather ill informed. You bring out some crap from 1954 on a false flag operation then name a bunch of people with Jewish last names in the administration as people steering this belief about iran...
OK fine you are you are entitled to your beliefs no matter how incorrect they are. Iran is a bigger threat then NK why because they have money and have proved the willingness to use weapons of mass destruction with chemical weapons and an unstable leadership with money because NK just has unstable leadership

You are somewhat polite, but johnny is a d1ck, he can't help himself from being an assho1e. It was not some crap either from 1954. It was a planned operation that was foiled, whereby the Israelis tried to bomb American and British targets by hiring Egyptian Jews to carry out the attack. They then planned to blame the attacks on the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. It's not crap, but rather shows a history of meddling and willingly killing innocents to obtain their political agenda, ie otherwise commonly referred to as terrorism. If you think identifying Israel as a terrorist nation is incorrect, that's something you need to deal with. I'm comfortable in my stance.

WTF is weapons of mass destruction with chemical weapons. Don't take the piss or attempt to throw a bunch of catch phrases to make it sound worse. Why not just state they used Chemical weapons. And if we want to be really honest, if they were used they were used by the Iraqi aggressors, who obtained chemical weapons from the US. Let's not tell half stories. Iraq was the aggressor, financed by the US, and attacked Iran, at times quite brutally that included chemical weapons. Fact is, Iran has not invaded any country and has been relatively peaceful.