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Re: GT: 2/11 Wizards @ Bucks 8PM CSN...... 

Post#221 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:45 pm

fishercob wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
bgroban wrote:Looks like Drummond is dealing with a bad back and will probably be out on Wednesday.

Good news for the Wiz.

Not only that - after the Prince trade, Detroit's starting forwards are Kyle Singler and Jason Maxiel. I've seen better forwards on sale at K-Mart.


Greg Monroe is a beast. Villanueva has been red hot from three over the past couple games. Calderon is having a great year and has been fabulous with the Pistons so far. The Wiz are 20 games under .500 and have no right to be at all dismissive of anyone. Must show up and play well.


On top of that Will Bynum lit the Wizards up last time the teams met. Also, Brandon Knight is capable of dropping 30 any game. The aforementioned Charlie Villanueva is a Wizards killer. Washington will not be favored to win this game.

A win at Detroit will be another sign of real progress.
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Re: GT: 2/11 Wizards @ Bucks 8PM CSN...... 

Post#222 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:09 pm

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DCZards wrote:BTW, how did the Clips do when Chris Paul was injured?


.500

They beat Memphis, Houston, Portland and lost by only 2 to Boston.


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... chris-paul

Not to mention they also played without Blake Griffin in a couple of those games.
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Re: GT: 2/11 Wizards @ Bucks 8PM CSN...... 

Post#223 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:16 pm

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nate33 wrote:Nice to see Seraphin set a bone-crunching pick at the 0:39 mark.


You mean nice to see Seraphin's bone crunching offensive foul moving pick at the .39 mark. Dude needs to learn to set his feet. He'd be a really nasty weapon if he used his size appropriately. Usually he's already into the 'roll' before his guard has finished rounding the corner on his pick.

That was an absurd no call. If he can get away with that, he might as well try a piledriver - just to see if the officials will call it.
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Re: GT: 2/11 Wizards @ Bucks 8PM CSN...... 

Post#224 » by Kanyewest » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:22 pm

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Upper Decker wrote: If one of wall, nene, or beal are out the team is 5-32. The wiz are enjoysble to watch when healthy and play great defense, which is refreshing,but this is a flawed team that needs everything working perfectly just to be slightly above average.


You can say the same thing about most NBA teams.


Ahhh NO.

*Chicago has won 30 games w/o Rose
*The Celts actually went on a 7-0 tear w/o Rondo until Barbossa went down injured last night.
*The Lakers are hanging around after having Nash out for an extended period and Dwight out also.
*Tim Duncan is out,( our 6th pick Kawhi Leonard lead SA to victory dropping 26 :D )

No Wall, No Wins.


I would say that the only team that is truly without their best player in those stretches is Chicago. Boston's best player is really KG; esepcially on the defensive end (and what he gets away with from the officials). The Lakers stunk when Nash was out although they haven't been much better since he's been back and they also have this guy named Kobe. I would say Parker is the Spurs best player- and yes he didn't play against Chicago. Although 1 game isn't much of a sample size to draw off of anything.

But yeah, Leonard is better than Vesley.
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Post#225 » by Dat2U » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:32 pm

sfam wrote:This comment really does put a damper on things. There is no way this team goes through next year without major injury time taking its toll. We need to have the depth necessary to continue moving forward. But honestly, consistency in approach should take care of a lot of that. Once everyone knows their roles, and the roles they need to fill in the case of injury, they should step up better. We just need a long string of no major injuries for this to happen.


And it's a very similar story to the previous playoff team Ernie built, except this version is even more fragile than the Gilbert-led team which was undone by injuries, staleness of the roster and the lack of drafting & developing good players. We've even got our own new Juan Dixon (Jordan Crawford), Jared Jeffries (Jan Vesely) & Etan Thomas (Kevin Seraphin) to boot.

It's hilarious to hear these EG apologists like hands, dczards and others make excuse after excuse as if the other 29 teams in the league all play with a full deck every night. The Wizards are 15-35, big whoop. It means nothing. Absolutely nothing. You know when this would have actually meant something???? If we didn't start off 4-28! We aren't making the playoffs, we don't carry the record into next year and if God help us, we suffer injuries (gasp!) next season and start off 5-25 once again or even better 9-19, then what???

I guess what I'm saying is I don't believe this is sustainable. One injury knocks over the apple cart. As I said the other day, its like setting up a deck of cards on a picnic table... eventually a gust a wind is going to come. I don't trust the roster to stay healthy. I don't trust Ernie to make good decisions this offseason (I think he's going overpay big time for Webster or/and potentially draft someone like Rudy Goubert) . I don't trust that this feel good season ending run is going to automatically carry over into next season.

I'm just waiting for Teddy to give Ernie that 5 yr extension this offseason because of this little stretch. :(
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Post#226 » by Deivy202 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:38 pm

bgroban wrote:Looks like Drummond is dealing with a bad back and will probably be out on Wednesday.

Good news for the Wiz.

LOl no it is not . We need to lose to obtain pics I mean yes we are playing better but we needa lose I mean we are not even gonna be the #1 pick no more and will hurt us. If we wanna win that trade the pick.
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Post#227 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:43 pm

Dat2U wrote:I'm just waiting for Teddy to give Ernie that 5 yr extension this offseason because of this little stretch. :(




That was really uncalled for.
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Post#228 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:51 pm

Deivy202 wrote:
bgroban wrote:Looks like Drummond is dealing with a bad back and will probably be out on Wednesday.

Good news for the Wiz.

LOl no it is not . We need to lose to obtain pics I mean yes we are playing better but we needa lose I mean we are not even gonna be the #1 pick no more and will hurt us. If we wanna win that trade the pick.

Given the nature of this upcoming draft (no superstar, lot's of decent players) and the fact that we are too good to finish in the bottom 3, I don't think the payoff of tanking is worth the psychological cost. All things considered, I'd rather pick 10th while developing a winning mentality than tank and pick 5th.

At least that's my stance for now while we're not mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. It's unprofessional to tank this early in the season and professionalism should be one of our primary goals. If we are mathematically eliminated with, say, 10 games to go, and Nene is playing hurt, I wouldn't be opposed to sitting him and tanking at that point in order to move up 2 or 3 slots in the draft.
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Post#229 » by Deivy202 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:03 pm

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Deivy202 wrote:
bgroban wrote:Looks like Drummond is dealing with a bad back and will probably be out on Wednesday.

Good news for the Wiz.

LOl no it is not . We need to lose to obtain pics I mean yes we are playing better but we needa lose I mean we are not even gonna be the #1 pick no more and will hurt us. If we wanna win that trade the pick.

Given the nature of this upcoming draft (no superstar, lot's of decent players) and the fact that we are too good to finish in the bottom 3, I don't think the payoff of tanking is worth the psychological cost. All things considered, I'd rather pick 10th while developing a winning mentality than tank and pick 5th.

At least that's my stance for now while we're not mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. It's unprofessional to tank this early in the season and professionalism should be one of our primary goals. If we are mathematically eliminated with, say, 10 games to go, and Nene is playing hurt, I wouldn't be opposed to sitting him and tanking at that point in order to move up 2 or 3 slots in the draft.


Yes but dude we need all the help we can get I mean at 10th? we would lose chances to get Noell who looks like a fast Noah slash Smith together and Muhummad who im not even so much into but is projected the best SF and you wanna pick 10th?. We where like in some sort of winning streak last year and look how that got us ? we started out bad just like this year we need more talent and players. Im glad Beal coming to his senses but I want Noell who would really fit our scheme .


IMO best move is to trade nene or okefor before the deadline and obtain more picks and cap space . I dont think will make any trades which is fine but that would be my move.
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Post#230 » by dobrojim » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:05 pm

milellie111 wrote:Does any one else feel that Jordan Crawford would bring more overall in the starting lineup over Temple?


haven't read the whole thread to see if this has been answered but
I suspect the answer is NO. Maybe a small minority.
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Post#231 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:05 pm

nate33 wrote:At least that's my stance for now while we're not mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.



Or until they lose to a team like the Kings. :wink:
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Post#232 » by dobrojim » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:08 pm

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milellie111 wrote:Does any one else feel that Jordan Crawford would bring more overall in the starting lineup over Temple?

Nah, Ellis/Jennings would destroy Crawford.


having just implicitly bashed Craw a moment ago I will defend him now
pointing out the last year as MIL was trying to win the last playoff spot,
they lost in WAS to the Wizards and one principle reason was Crawford
played better than either of MIL's guards.
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Post#233 » by dobrojim » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:11 pm

queridiculo wrote:
miller31time wrote:When was the last time we shot 60% in a half?

Hell, when was the last time we shot 50% in a half?!


Our half court offense has been a thing of beauty today. Pretty remarkable considering how much the Wizards have struggled there.

Players are trusting each other and are moving the ball, it's beautiful to watch.

If the Wizards had done just a little better job rebounding in the 2nd quarter, they could have held the bucks in single digits.



early in the season, yes. Lately not so much. High TOs in this game but still
had a high # of assists as well.
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Post#234 » by dobrojim » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:17 pm

miller31time wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
miller31time wrote:Interesting that, right after that AJ price steal and layup, Milwaukee called TO. Camera panned to our bench and everybody was giving high-5s except for JC who was emotionless.

He's in the doghouse right now.


Don't care.


I'm not upset about it. More curious as to what Craw did. (Or maybe it was nothing and that Randy just likes the team how they're playing now)


last year Witt was doing a thing with rotations where a given player would
be in/out of the rotation for ~ 5 games (or more). Singleton went through
it and his bad shooting in the 3rd Q last night notwithstanding, his time off
appears to have done him some good. Now to those who claimed Witt gave
Craw too long a least, what sayeth you now?
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Post#235 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:18 pm

Deivy202 wrote:Yes but dude we need all the help we can get I mean at 10th? we would lose chances to get Noell who looks like a fast Noah slash Smith together and Muhummad who im not even so much into but is projected the best SF and you wanna pick 10th?. We where like in some sort of winning streak last year and look how that got us ? we started out bad just like this year we need more talent and players. Im glad Beal coming to his senses but I want Noell who would really fit our scheme .


IMO best move is to trade nene or okefor before the deadline and obtain more picks and cap space . I dont think will make any trades which is fine but that would be my move.

I don't think trading Okafor would cause us to lose enough to get us back in contention for a top 3 pick. With Wall and Nene healthy, and Beal playing better, there are simply too many good players for us to finish in the bottom 3. So we wouldn't be getting Noel either way.

The only move that would make us bad enough to get us into the bottom 3 would be to trade Nene, and that's just not going to happen. EG didn't make the gamble of trading McGee for Nene just to let Nene go a season later. EG's job is on the line here. He won't sacrifice short term success for a potential long term gain. Reasonable people can disagree on whether the move to acquire Nene in the first place was the right one, but it's too late to do anything about. Nene is here. He is staying for a while.

You also have to consider the psyche of the players. It's just a bad idea to tank once you've got all the players buying into the idea that they must give max effort every game, every night, every play.
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Post#236 » by dobrojim » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:20 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Beal just might become the best player on this team in a couple seasons, as unlikely as that seemed at the start of the season.


Might be true. But I'd say most predictions about Beal at the start of
the season were premature, based on little hard evidence.

Wall/Beal are def a pair of guards to be encouraged about
going forward.
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Post#237 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:21 pm

tontoz wrote:
nate33 wrote:At least that's my stance for now while we're not mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.



Or until they lose to a team like the Kings. :wink:

Don't get me wrong. I do think the loss to the Kings was the nail in the coffin. I think there is virtually zero chance of making the playoffs. But that doesn't mean that we should commence tanking. Tanking should only be on the table once we are mathematically eliminated. There is a principle here. Players need to play the right way.
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Post#238 » by dobrojim » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:22 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Bucks shooting numbers:

37.9 fg%, 21.7 3pt% (5-23; although they did miss some very open looks in the first half, and 59.1 ft%.


32 points in the 1st Q, 60 after that.
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Post#239 » by dobrojim » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:25 pm

nate33 wrote:Nene played 37 minutes. He seems to be out of the funk that he was in during our last losing streak. His last 3 games:

13 points, 10 boards, 6/9 shooting, 28 minutes
20 points, 11 boards, 9/13 shooting, 34 minutes
21 points, 13 boards, 10/13 shooting, 37 minutes



Nene and Okafor seemed to have really meshed in the last few weeks.
First Meka was carrying the load, but now Nene has stepped up as well.
The boards and the efficiency are nice, and what we hoped/expected
when we got him. Hoped in the case of boards, expected in the case
of efficiency.
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Post#240 » by pancakes3 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:34 pm

While I understand and agree with what Nate, Fish, and the other "pro-winning" guys are saying, I want Noel on this team so freakin' bad. I haven't had a draft crush like this in a while - moreso than when we were tanking for Wall. If by some miracle we do land him, I think it would turn our franchise around akin to how Westbrook and Durant did for the Thunder.
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