Around the NBA part 4

[yaboynyp]

One thing good about losing Lin is all the Lin fans left here and joined Clutchfans…Not even Mad

[Capn'O]

if lin is 18/8 by next year, it would be a mistake to have let him go

but if hes still 12-14/6 then its not

Oh no no! I view it totally differently. The justification for the move is how WE do, not how Jeremy does.

I say the low bar is we need to make the ECF and have Felton and the team put up a good showing vs. Miami (assuming that's who is there). Then you can't really question the move.

If you're not putting a title contending piece in place, you need to tend to the farm.

Again, this is buying more media hype/nonsense that Lin performed way over his head with the Knicks and that what you saw wasn't real. His track record with the Knicks was excellent. He performed at an elite level, before and after Woodson, before and after Melo returned. 18 and 8 was an average game for Lin during his time here.

The best indicator of how Lin would have done this year, and the next three, was ... ummm ... how he already did with the Knicks. His game spoke for itself.

The rest of you are filling in the blanks with all this speculative stuff and implicitly saying that he wasn't as good as he played. Did he kick ass as a Knick? Yes. He would have continued doing that IMO. Houston is not New York. It's a totally different team and situation.

Someone up above said that Felton performed like Linsanity during November. Hardly. He wasn't even close.

What all gives you guys the foundation to believe that Lin's actual game performances weren't actually as good as they were? That he went undrafted? That he left the Knicks? That Isola said so? All of the above have nothing, nothing, to do with the fact that Lin was *awesome* as a Knick -- in actual game time, playing actual basketball -- and we could've had him back as a Knick.

This notion that Lin played over his head because he had to, because he was desperate, because of Mike D'Antoni ... lol at all of it. Utter nonsense. Like any fool off the street could step on a basketball court and do what he did without being an exceptional basketball player ... just because he got "hot." This is the NBA. Not Little League or a Disney movie.

Trust me, if Felton was capable of playing like Lin did in that stretch, we'd have seen it by now ... just by accident or luck if any of all of your theories were remotely true.

Now I have people on both sides of the argument telling me I've been brainwashed, am not looking at data, and don't know the REAL Jeremy Lin.

Cmon man, I don't even read that crap.

Lin's stretch was real but it was not sustainable for a season. He BROKE DOWN. That style of play is not sustainable. Even this year, his team limits him to around 33 mpg to keep him at his optimal effectiveness throughout the season. By his own admission, he watched tape of Felton's this summer and worked on his shot tirelessly so he can more effectively play the position in this league and not be Marbury with a brain.

This work is starting to come together a bit but Lin needed (and needs) work to be a high level player in this league for the course of a season and playoffs.

[Thugger HBC]

It's not a theory my man, it's just how things work in the NBA. Lin was cleared to play, but decided to sit out of a playoff series??? Man was trying to get paid and I don't blame him one bit. He did the smart thing for himself.

Why do you keep saying that he was cleared to play?

He worked out on Monday and Tuesday with the hope of returning to the floor for game 5, but he was not cleared to play by team doctors.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?sto ... WT&w=1clvy

Lin's own words stated the team told him not to come back and he wanted to play.

It was up to him.

[CU_NY09]

It's not a theory my man, it's just how things work in the NBA. Lin was cleared to play, but decided to sit out of a playoff series??? Man was trying to get paid and I don't blame him one bit. He did the smart thing for himself.

Why do you keep saying that he was cleared to play?

He worked out on Monday and Tuesday with the hope of returning to the floor for game 5, but he was not cleared to play by team doctors.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?sto ... WT&w=1clvy

Lin's own words stated the team told him not to come back and he wanted to play.

It was up to him.

Even though he wasn't cleared by team doctors...What player doesn't want to play in a play off game?! He made that pretty clear in his SI article. Would it have made people feel better if he played w/o being cleared?

[Thugger HBC]

Even though he wasn't cleared by team doctors...What player doesn't want to play in a play off game?! He made that pretty clear in his SI article. Would it have made people feel better if he played w/o being cleared?

we all knew he would be no factor against Miami, he still has those issues now.

[GONYK]

Even though he wasn't cleared by team doctors...What player doesn't want to play in a play off game?! He made that pretty clear in his SI article. Would it have made people feel better if he played w/o being cleared?

we all knew he would be no factor against Miami, he still has those issues now.

Yea, this is why I didn't care.

Miami was going to smash us, with or without Lin.

Why should the team or the kid risk his health? As a symbolic gesture to fans?

[Thugger HBC]

Even though he wasn't cleared by team doctors...What player doesn't want to play in a play off game?! He made that pretty clear in his SI article. Would it have made people feel better if he played w/o being cleared?

we all knew he would be no factor against Miami, he still has those issues now.

Yea, this is why I didn't care.

Miami was going to smash us, with or without Lin.

Why should the team or the kid risk his health? As a symbolic gesture to fans?

pretty much.

Whats crazy is folks are getting ruffled by the comments, but the report is actually doing Lin a solid.

he goes out and messes himself up further and they all look like fools.

[GettinitDone]

Smh at Lin "not being able to handle pressure from Chalmers and Cole". Last I check those two are role players and did they ever come close to shunning LeBron/ Wade to do breakaway dunk like Lin did Harden?



Did they ever score 38pts in a game when LeBron/ Wade/ Bosh out?

Melo as a rookie in 2003-04 put up several single-digit games, but didn't hear anyone saying the guys defending him in those games being his stopper? Even in his second year, Melo was shooting like 38 FG% in first half of that 2004-05 season, he put up MANY 3-15, 2-14 shooting games in that season's first few months (I know, I was a Nuggets fan back then). Were the guys defending him in those games a Melo stopper now? My point is: great players when they're young (in their first 2-3 years in L) are bound to have these types of games. Lin just had 1 bad game in Miami, you guys still used it to this day to bash him? You all have awfully high standard for young players, no wonder Knicks are never able to keep young good players from being traded/ signed by other teams.

Lol at Lin being huge distraction This is New York, the Knicks, people! Everything here is a huge distraction. And Rockets do not find him being a distraction at all.

[CU_NY09]

Even though he wasn't cleared by team doctors...What player doesn't want to play in a play off game?! He made that pretty clear in his SI article. Would it have made people feel better if he played w/o being cleared?

we all knew he would be no factor against Miami, he still has those issues now.

Got it, just clearing up the myth that he was cleared to play by team doctors. Ive seen it stated more than once on here. Just because an athlete wants to play doesn't mean he's physically ready (after surgery) to be on the court especially if he couldn't even touch the rim.

[K_ick_God]

Smh at Lin "not being able to handle pressure from Chalmers and Cole". Last I check those two are role players and did they ever come close to shunning LeBron/ Wade to do breakaway dunk like Lin did to Harden?



Melo as a rookie in 2003-04 put up several single-digit games, but didn't hear anyone saying the guys defending him in those games being his stopper? Even in his second year, Melo was shooting like 38 FG% in first half of that 2004-05 season, he put up MANY 3-15, 2-14 shooting games in that season's first few months (I know, I was a Nuggets fan back then). Were the guys defending him in those games a Melo stopper now? My point is: great players when they're young (in their first 2-3 years in L) are bound to have these types of games. Lin just had 1 bad game in Miami, you guys still used it to this day to bash him? You all have awfully high standard for young players, no wonder Knicks are never able to keep young good players from being traded/ signed by other teams.

Lol at Lin being huge distraction This is New York, the Knicks, people! Everything here is a huge distraction. And Rockets do not find him being a distraction at all.

Garcia did not in-bounds that ball legally, so dazed was he by the Lin slam.

[Thugger HBC]

Even though he wasn't cleared by team doctors...What player doesn't want to play in a play off game?! He made that pretty clear in his SI article. Would it have made people feel better if he played w/o being cleared?

we all knew he would be no factor against Miami, he still has those issues now.

Got it, just clearing up the myth that he was cleared to play by team doctors. Ive seen it stated more than once on here. Just because an athlete wants to play doesn't mean he's physically ready (after surgery) to be on the court especially if he couldn't even touch the rim.

that was really just a random post, nothing needed to clear up....the team did not want him to play.

[Capn'O]

Same way it was with Gallo folks constantly comparing the Nuggets to the Knicks.

Well, I had big ideas for that team

As I've said numerous times, if we have a title contending team in place I can't complain as there's more than one way to skin a cat.

But I wanted to skin a cat by going for Marc Gasol and fielding a team of

Felton
Shumpert (didn't know who he was at the time but he would still fit the bill to draft)
Gallo
Amare
Gasol

Reserves

Hill
Lin (assumed)
Mozzy
Fields, Chandler, or somebody else
JJ

Cmon, that coulda been pretty sexy. Balance 1-5. Good defense and offense from every position (save Amare). Gritty reserves. And SIZE like few teams in the league have.

I think we could have gotten Gasol. He's getting 13.9 this year which means more than that first year. We start him at 14-14.5. Do they match? I don't think so, given what they're up to now.

[CU_NY09]

Got it, just clearing up the myth that he was cleared to play by team doctors. Ive seen it stated more than once on here. Just because an athlete wants to play doesn't mean he's physically ready (after surgery) to be on the court especially if he couldn't even touch the rim.

that was really just a random post, nothing needed to clear up....the team did not want him to play.

It's been mentioned more than once in this forum that he purposely sat out, even though he was cleared to play. It's not random. What's random is your response, that wasn't needed.

[Thugger HBC]

Got it, just clearing up the myth that he was cleared to play by team doctors. Ive seen it stated more than once on here. Just because an athlete wants to play doesn't mean he's physically ready (after surgery) to be on the court especially if he couldn't even touch the rim.

that was really just a random post, nothing needed to clear up....the team did not want him to play.

It's been mentioned more than once in this forum that he purposely sat out, even though he was cleared to play. It's not random. What's random is your response, that wasn't needed.

As long as you know the truth my man.

[Pharmcat]

Smh at Lin "not being able to handle pressure from Chalmers and Cole". Last I check those two are role players and did they ever come close to shunning LeBron/ Wade to do breakaway dunk like Lin did Harden?



Did they ever score 38pts in a game when LeBron/ Wade/ Bosh out?

Melo as a rookie in 2003-04 put up several single-digit games, but didn't hear anyone saying the guys defending him in those games being his stopper? Even in his second year, Melo was shooting like 38 FG% in first half of that 2004-05 season, he put up MANY 3-15, 2-14 shooting games in that season's first few months (I know, I was a Nuggets fan back then). Were the guys defending him in those games a Melo stopper now? My point is: great players when they're young (in their first 2-3 years in L) are bound to have these types of games. Lin just had 1 bad game in Miami, you guys still used it to this day to bash him? You all have awfully high standard for young players, no wonder Knicks are never able to keep young good players from being traded/ signed by other teams.

Lol at Lin being huge distraction This is New York, the Knicks, people! Everything here is a huge distraction. And Rockets do not find him being a distraction at all.

u asked for it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-qve4PZWwM

he gets clowned by norris and mario

[Pharmcat]

Same way it was with Gallo folks constantly comparing the Nuggets to the Knicks.

Well, I had big ideas for that team

As I've said numerous times, if we have a title contending team in place I can't complain as there's more than one way to skin a cat.

But I wanted to skin a cat by going for Marc Gasol and fielding a team of

Felton
Shumpert (didn't know who he was at the time but he would still fit the bill to draft)
Gallo
Amare
Gasol

Reserves

Hill
Lin (assumed)
Mozzy
Fields, Chandler, or somebody else
JJ

Cmon, that coulda been pretty sexy. Balance 1-5. Good defense and offense from every position (save Amare). Gritty reserves. And SIZE like few teams in the league have.

I think we could have gotten Gasol. He's getting 13.9 this year which means more than that first year. We start him at 14-14.5. Do they match? I don't think so, given what they're up to now.

they had a different owner then

they wouldve matched the offer for gasol

[Pharmcat]

Not even sure what your purpose was to even bring up a Lin convo today, but the poster is clearly stating Lins success has nothing to do with the Knicks now, but rather how we do WITHOUT him.

Pharmcat said that letting Lin go was a mistake if he could get to 18 and 8. He already proved that ... once again ... with a stretch of actual basketball by an actual basketball player in actual basketball games as an actual Knick.

No speculation. We saw the heights he reached but it wasn't good enough for James Dolan.

18-8 thru reg season and POs

sorry shouldve been more clear

[Pharmcat]

Even though he wasn't cleared by team doctors...What player doesn't want to play in a play off game?! He made that pretty clear in his SI article. Would it have made people feel better if he played w/o being cleared?

we all knew he would be no factor against Miami, he still has those issues now.

pretty much

he just is neutralized by MIA who know his weaknesses and expose him

[god shammgod]

f*cking blazers

edit - ok. bounced back a bit.

[Fat Kat]

Denver lost to Toronto.