OT- Christopher Dorner barricaded in Cabin

[kane2021]

This guy wasnt really about what he was saying. He was full of crap. He probably got fired because he was nosey and sensitive. Making trouble biased and unstable. He wasnt as good as he thought. So he ended it easy and lit a fire to cover his shame.

[E86]

If you look all the white mass murderers, they are usually called mentally ill, but a black who avenges against his racist tormentors at LAPD is an "animal." That's the difference.

Dorner should not have resorted to violence because that is lowering himself to the level of his white racist tormentors. Blacks must learn that you don't fire with fire. you fight fire with water! That is what Dr. King advocated.

You're not very bright.

But you are, I'm sure.

37% of the LAPD is white. Kinda ruins the cries of racism in the LAPD.

As far as Dorner being referred to as animal.. please. No one has referred to Lanza or Holmes as anything less.

You're just not very bright, and typical of dumb people you infer your own narrative.

[Sprewell4Three]

Cabin too hot, no search yet per LAPD press conference.

[E86]

This guy wasnt really about what he was saying. He was full of crap. He probably got fired because he was nosey and sensitive. Making trouble biased and unstable. He wasnt as good as he thought. So he ended it easy and lit a fire to cover his shame.

Exactly, I tried to empathize with his cause in the beginning, but in reality he was nothing but a coward.

[[GR]]

Cops on tape saying "burn it down. Burn down that ****"


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This guy wasnt really about what he was saying. He was full of crap. He probably got fired because he was nosey and sensitive. Making trouble biased and unstable. He wasnt as good as he thought. So he ended it easy and lit a fire to cover his shame.

This is exactly what they want. Forget about all the legitimate corruption he tried to expose, he's a criminal so that negates everything?

[kane2021]

He didnt have nothing to bring to the table. You going to talk about it. Kill innocent people for it. But dont not once bring something to the table to start a movement to end the corruption. And not only that. But you get a chance to spray them up. The people you publicly declared war with. And you back yourself into a corner and end it.

This guy was not a hero. Wasnt even the ill killing machine he claimed to be. He was pissed off he wasnt good enough. No one noticed him among the top ranks so he ran his mouth and dug himself into a hole he couldn't get out of. I hope he was scared and crying. Maybe they find his pants got a load. Punk. If you hurt people that dont got nothing to do with it then dont do nothing when confronted by the real enemy then you a punk.

What he really did was take corruption and put it on the back burner in the publics eye.

[2010]

This guy wasnt really about what he was saying. He was full of crap. He probably got fired because he was nosey and sensitive. Making trouble biased and unstable. He wasnt as good as he thought. So he ended it easy and lit a fire to cover his shame.

I usually agree with you but I'm curious as to what makes you say this?

[2010]

He didnt have nothing to bring to the table. You going to talk about it. Kill innocent people for it. But dont not once bring something to the table to start a movement to end the corruption. And not only that. But you get a chance to spray them up. The people you publicly declared war with. And you back yourself into a corner and end it.

This guy was not a hero. Wasnt even the ill killing machine he claimed to be. He was pissed off he wasnt good enough. No one noticed him among the top ranks so he ran his mouth and dug himself into a hole he couldn't get out of. I hope he was scared and crying. Maybe they find his pants got a load. Punk. If you hurt people that dont got nothing to do with it then dont do nothing when confronted by the real enemy then you a punk.

What he really did was take corruption and put it on the back burner in the publics eye.

He merked several law enforcement officers. I think he did enough spraying. How do you know for sure he committed suicide? How do you know for sure he set the cabin ablaze himself? How do you know he was not wounded? There were over 100 rounds fired and that was before he got backed up into the cabin. I'm sure more rounds were bucked after. What are you basing your judgements off of? To be basing things off the facts of his manifesto he claimed to target the LAPD, any law enforcement who supported them, as well as their personal families. Who outside of those guidelines did he pop? If you ask me, the LAPD popped more innocent civilians. Those are the real cowards. One man had the entire lower CA shook for almost a full week. Those are the dudes with a load in their uniform pants.

[E86]

He didnt have nothing to bring to the table. You going to talk about it. Kill innocent people for it. But dont not once bring something to the table to start a movement to end the corruption. And not only that. But you get a chance to spray them up. The people you publicly declared war with. And you back yourself into a corner and end it.

This guy was not a hero. Wasnt even the ill killing machine he claimed to be. He was pissed off he wasnt good enough. No one noticed him among the top ranks so he ran his mouth and dug himself into a hole he couldn't get out of. I hope he was scared and crying. Maybe they find his pants got a load. Punk. If you hurt people that dont got nothing to do with it then dont do nothing when confronted by the real enemy then you a punk.

What he really did was take corruption and put it on the back burner in the publics eye.

+1000

That's what I'm saying. He used corruption as a means to mask his own insecurity. When surrounded by police he runs and hides in a cabin. It was hours before they even had back up, if he was this killing machine why didn't he go out when there were just a few police and enter into a firefight and escape? Instead he hides.

Even more so, why was he even still around that mountain? The dude was full of himself from jump, and ended up just being a chump.

Then we get people on this board crying racism when the dude killed a korean girl and her BLACK fiance. FOH.

Don't mention Dr.King and Dorner in the same breath.

[[GR]]

He never exaggerated his killing status, the media did. They wanted the narrative of this elite killing machine, when the guy was just a Navy reservist.

[camillepd]

He didnt have nothing to bring to the table. You going to talk about it. Kill innocent people for it. But dont not once bring something to the table to start a movement to end the corruption. And not only that. But you get a chance to spray them up. The people you publicly declared war with. And you back yourself into a corner and end it.

This guy was not a hero. Wasnt even the ill killing machine he claimed to be. He was pissed off he wasnt good enough. No one noticed him among the top ranks so he ran his mouth and dug himself into a hole he couldn't get out of. I hope he was scared and crying. Maybe they find his pants got a load. Punk. If you hurt people that dont got nothing to do with it then dont do nothing when confronted by the real enemy then you a punk.

What he really did was take corruption and put it on the back burner in the publics eye.

Really Kane? A punk? He killed another cop today and put another in the hospital before killing himself rather than be taken alive. That's not a punk. That is an aggrieved man with his back to the wall and no where to turn. Look, while I do not believe in his methods--meaning the use of violence--because he is lowering himself to the level of his white tormentors at LAPD, I certainly there is more to his grievances than is publicly being acknowledged. Why do you think the LAPD announced that they are reopening his case? Because they even realize that there is something to what this man was saying.

[E86]

He never exaggerated his killing status, the media did. They wanted the narrative of this elite killing machine, when the guy was just a Navy reservist.

You better have all your officers radio/phone muster (code 1) on or off duty every hour, on the hour.
Do not attempt to shadow or conduct any type of ISR on me. I have the inventory listing of all UC vehicles at Piper Tech and the home addresses of any INT analyst at JRIC and detachment locations. My POA is always POI and always true. This will be a war of attrition and a Pyrrhic and Camdean Victory for myself. You may have the resources and manpower but you are reactive and predictable in your op plans and TTP's. I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.

Whatever pre-planned responses you have established for a scenario like me, shelve it. Whatever contingency plan you have, shelve it. Whatever tertiary plan you've created, shelve it. I am a walking exigent circumstance with no OFF or reset button. JRIC, DOJ, LASD, FBI and other local LE can’t assist and should not involve themselves in a matter that does not concern them. For all other agencies, do not involve yourself in this capture or recovery of me. Look at the big picture of the situation. They (LAPD) created the situation. I will harm no outside agency unless it is a deadly force/IDOL situation. With today's budgeting and fiscal mess, you guys can not afford lose several officers to IOD or KIA/EOW. Plus, other officers should not have to take on the additional duties and responsibilities of dead officers. Think about their families, outside agencies, Chiefs/Directors.

[[GR]]

Point to me where he exaggerates his killing ability?

[2010]

He never exaggerated his killing status, the media did. They wanted the narrative of this elite killing machine, when the guy was just a Navy reservist.

I feel you on the media over-exaggerations. But still, by my count he killed 2 members of an officers family, killed 2 officers, wounded five others (maybe more after today's tally), and had the entire lower CA law enforcement shook for a full week. I mean, if that's not a one-man killing machine then I don't know what is. Who on this board is qualified to call him out as insuffiecient as per the job he anointed himself to undertake, as if the carnage he left behind wasn't enough.

[kane2021]

The dude talked the game but came up short. He didnt even have nothing to bring to the table. Im not glorifying violence but if you going to do something do it all the way like you say. Im from the projects. Police do things there that are not by the book. So ok. You got something to say and you willing to die for it. Im listening. But nothing. Sorry but this wasnt the guy folks.

[2010]

The dude talked the game but came up short. He didnt even have nothing to bring to the table. Im not glorifying violence but if you going to do something do it all the way like you say. Im from the projects. Police do things there that are not by the book. So ok. You got something to say and you willing to die for it. Im listening. But nothing. Sorry but this wasnt the guy folks.

How do you know he had nothing to bring to the table? Did you read his manifesto in full? We don't even know what else he had in the bag because he isn't alive to tell anyone, and he won't have an opportunity to have his day in court to take the stand if he and his counsel saw fit.

What indicates to you that he didn't "do it all the way"? I'm from the 'jects too fam. He had a beef wit LE. He brought it too them and he took some of them out (as he said he would) and he was willing to die for it. Is he not still alive? To me he'd be a farce who didn't live up to his word if he called in to surrender and asked/negotiated for some help or individual to aid him in being turned in alive and unharmed. That woulda been cowardice.

Yet I'm feeling like you expected him to go out like Queen Latifah in "Set It Off" and anything less fell short of your expectation. Well it don't always end up like the movies fam. Especially when they got wall chewing armored machines mowing down your makeshift fort as the clock is ticking. With that said, we still don't know how he met his fate. It still isn't apparent if it was a suicide, death by LE gas, LE ammo, or the actual fire. And regardless of what the media announces as the cause of death we'll never know the full truth of how it played out. They asked media choppers not to come in the area for a reason. I'm sure they didn't want the full story out in true detail.

[camillepd]

The dude talked the game but came up short. He didnt even have nothing to bring to the table. Im not glorifying violence but if you going to do something do it all the way like you say. Im from the projects. Police do things there that are not by the book. So ok. You got something to say and you willing to die for it. Im listening. But nothing. Sorry but this wasnt the guy folks.

How do you know he had nothing to bring to the table? Did you read his manifesto in full? We don't even know what else he had in the bag because he isn't alive to tell anyone, and he won't have an opportunity to have his day in court to take the stand if he and his counsel saw fit.

What indicates to you that he didn't "do it all the way"? I'm from the 'jects too fam. He had a beef wit LE. He brought it too them and he took some of them out (as he said he would) and he was willing to die for it. Is he not still alive? To me he'd be a farce who didn't live up to his word if he called in to surrender and asked/negotiated for some help or individual to aid him in being turned in alive and unharmed. That woulda been cowardice.

Yet I'm feeling like you expected him to go out like Queen Latifah in "Set It Off" and anything less fell short of your expectation. Well it don't always end up like the movies fam. Especially when they got wall chewing armored machines mowing down your makeshift fort as the clock is ticking. With that said, we still don't know how he met his fate. It still isn't apparent if it was a suicide, death by LE gas, LE ammo, or the actual fire. And regardless of what the media announces as the cause of death we'll never know the full truth of how it played out. They asked media choppers not to come in the area for a reason. I'm sure they didn't want the full story out in true detail.

Agreed. But at least, he got some people to focus on the abuses and corruption of the racist LAPD. They are embarrassed. Why do you think they announced that they are reopening his case? Because they knew he was done wrong, like a lot of other minorities have been done wrong by the racists in the LAPD.

[2010]

The dude talked the game but came up short. He didnt even have nothing to bring to the table. Im not glorifying violence but if you going to do something do it all the way like you say. Im from the projects. Police do things there that are not by the book. So ok. You got something to say and you willing to die for it. Im listening. But nothing. Sorry but this wasnt the guy folks.

How do you know he had nothing to bring to the table? Did you read his manifesto in full? We don't even know what else he had in the bag because he isn't alive to tell anyone, and he won't have an opportunity to have his day in court to take the stand if he and his counsel saw fit.

What indicates to you that he didn't "do it all the way"? I'm from the 'jects too fam. He had a beef wit LE. He brought it too them and he took some of them out (as he said he would) and he was willing to die for it. Is he not still alive? To me he'd be a farce who didn't live up to his word if he called in to surrender and asked/negotiated for some help or individual to aid him in being turned in alive and unharmed. That woulda been cowardice.

Yet I'm feeling like you expected him to go out like Queen Latifah in "Set It Off" and anything less fell short of your expectation. Well it don't always end up like the movies fam. Especially when they got wall chewing armored machines mowing down your makeshift fort as the clock is ticking. With that said, we still don't know how he met his fate. It still isn't apparent if it was a suicide, death by LE gas, LE ammo, or the actual fire. And regardless of what the media announces as the cause of death we'll never know the full truth of how it played out. They asked media choppers not to come in the area for a reason. I'm sure they didn't want the full story out in true detail.

Agreed. But at least, he got some people to focus on the abuses and corruption of the racist LAPD. They are embarrassed. Why do you think they announced that they are reopening his case? Because they knew he was done wrong, like a lot of other minorities have been done wrong by the racists in the LAPD.

Exactly. And I saw some other dude throw out some stat that only 37% of LAPD is comprised of white officers. Well that underscores Dorner's accusations because when you look at the percentage of that 37% that has stripes on their uniforms or high rank positions it tells you all you need to know about racial bias in the LAPD workforce. We're talking about a force where the same dudes who brought shame and brutality to civilians get promoted to commanding officers. Whereas a whistle blower gets fired. Where is the justice in that?

[kane2021]

2010

Maybe im not up to date with it. But what was the point? And what did he do to change it?

And didnt want him to go down in a blaze of glory. But i was expecting it by what he said. See where im coming from is killing that young couple. He crossed a line there. So you going to go that far then yeah. I expext you to take down 10 cops with all this training he said.

I just dont see what the point was or what came of it. Dont cross dorner? Thats all im getting from this. Anyone with a pistol and an eye can ambush a young couple. I dont respect that.

[2010]

2010

Maybe im not up to date with it. But what was the point? And what did he do to change it?

And didnt want him to go down in a blaze of glory. But i was expecting it by what he said. See where im coming from is killing that young couple. He crossed a line there. So you going to go that far then yeah. I expext you to take down 10 cops with all this training he said.

I just dont see what the point was or what came of it. Dont cross dorner? Thats all im getting from this. Anyone with a pistol and an eye can ambush a young couple. I dont respect that.

I'm still not comletely sure of his full point but to an extent he wanted to bring light to the corruption in the LAPD. He also wanted to avenge the culture where a whistleblower who did the job with honor gets fired while excessive force brutality hungry officers get promotions and faux suspensions which equate to paid vacations. He felt they robbed him of his name, his ethics, his career and repuatation. I do believe he did bring some unwanted publicity and spotlighting of the corruption and unethical culture to the forefront which is why Chief Beck is reopening the investigation of his firing.

It was what he said. He did things true to his personal manifesto not true to our morals. He said he would bring terror to the LAPD. He did, for a full week the way no other single human being ever has. He said he would murder LE officers, their families, and any LE agencies who aid them. Well he did. We don't like the killing of that young attractive mixed couple but they were family of ex-LAPD captain Quan, who represented him in his firing investigation, which Dorner considered a conflict of interest for obvious reasons, resulting in his firing.

He took down 2 cops, 2 family members, wounded 5 other cops, had the entire LAPD in fear for over a week begging for help from civilians (record $1 million reward) thus dragging them into it putting civilians in danger, when they werent shooting at civilians themselves (cops). He exposed the LAPD as incompetent at their jobs and more effective at corruptions and brutality than doing actual police work the way they handled this entire ordeal.

If you consider Dorner a fraud as per his manifesto then what does that make LAPD as per the language they are expected to honor when being sworn in as an officer to protect and serve the public. As I said before, who shot more civlians, Dorner or the cops? I don't consider the couple as true civilians in this because they were intended targets of Dorner as per his personal manifesto, as f#cked up as that sounds. I'm just basing this off what Dorner said he would do.

What was the quota for dead cops to have him viewed as official? 10? I think 2 dead, 5 wounded and 2 family members is more than enough.