Don't let Marvin near the court

babyjax13 · Post #1 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:30 am

We have, without a doubt, the worst starting small forward in the league. I hate watching him play when Carrol, Burks and Hayward are clearly better. I knew it was a bad idea to trade for him, I said it from the beginning about both he and Mo. We had a terrible, terrible offseason. Bench Marvin, let him sit at home with Raja. Trade him, buy him out and wait for him to expire...anything. If I never have to watch Earl or Marvin play another game with a Jazz jersey on I will die a happy man.

mjvile · Post #2 » by **mjvile** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:40 am

We just beat the Thunder yay!!!

babyjax13 · Post #3 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:46 am

And Marvin had two points and a rebound in over twenty minutes.

RyanStorm · Post #4 » by **RyanStorm** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:54 am

Marvin is very annoying. Everyone knows Carroll is better offensively, and some say well Marvin is good defense, but that doesn't matter when Carroll is better defensively but can actually score every game.

Marvin isn't worth the jersey Carroll wears.

Neon Black · Post #5 » by **Neon Black** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:18 am

I will be sorely disappointed if Marvin picks up his option AND we bring everyone back next year, effectively making Corbin continue to play Hayward a measly 25 minutes a game in favor of his treasured veterans.

HolyToledo12 · Post #6 » by **HolyToledo12** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:08 am

He has frustrated me to no end on the offensive end. He needs to take the ball more to the hoop and get some offensive rebounds On the other hand, he has become one of the best defensive SF in the NBA. Stats say it all! Players have a tough time scoring against him. I think he can be like Bruce Bowen but needs to hit the wide open 3, but you also need a good PG to set him up.

In essence, I would like to see how he plays with a good PG. His best position on this team with our PGs might be to be a back up at the SF and PF position with Hayward starting instead and Millsap traded away.

DiscoLives4ever · Post #7 » by **DiscoLives4ever** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:12 am

I wouldn't be surprised if the Jazz package Marvin and a 2nd rounder for an EC this year, just for the extra flexibility

AingesBurner · Post #8 » by **AingesBurner** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:38 am

My opinion is that he is a PF, he plays better around the hoop. I see him playing back up PF next season.

Post #9 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:08 am

i don't know why the jazz don't post him up more. he's been very good at post up situations this year - it almost always ends in a made basket.

Post #10 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:36 am

Neon Black wrote:I will be sorely disappointed if Marvin picks up his option AND we bring everyone back next year, effectively making Corbin continue to play Hayward a measly 25 minutes a game in favor of his treasured veterans.

That's happening. He is not earning a contract.

Nate505 · Post #11 » by **Nate505** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:03 am

There is no rule stating he has to start, or even play, other than the Ty Corbin is Clueless rule.

The59Sound · Post #12 » by **The59Sound** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:13 pm

Neon Black wrote:I will be sorely disappointed if Marvin picks up his option AND we bring everyone back next year, effectively making Corbin continue to play Hayward a measly 25 minutes a game in favor of his treasured veterans.

But Neon, John Stockton wasn't a full-time starter until his fourth year! Why ruin our great tradition of bringing guys along at "an appropriate pace?"

Jazz_Man_86 · Post #13 » by **Jazz_Man_86** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:53 pm

Utah doesn't have a single play for him.
I like his defence. And yes, it would help if he shoot open threes.
And got more touches near the hoop.

slcjosh · Post #14 » by **slcjosh** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:27 pm

marvin has been very disappointing. with burks improvement, and gordon coming back when he is healthy, i see marvins minutes dwindling. I think he will still start, but gordon will come in much earlier, and stay in longer to run that second units offense.

Jazz_Man_86 · Post #15 » by **Jazz_Man_86** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:49 pm

Carroll can easily score 10+ pts per game. If he had a Marvin's mins.

Neon Black · Post #16 » by **Neon Black** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:27 pm

DelaneyRudd wrote:
Neon Black wrote:I will be sorely disappointed if Marvin picks up his option AND we bring everyone back next year, effectively making Corbin continue to play Hayward a measly 25 minutes a game in favor of his treasured veterans.

That's happening. He is not earning a contract.

The truth hurts.

The59Sound wrote:
Neon Black wrote:I will be sorely disappointed if Marvin picks up his option AND we bring everyone back next year, effectively making Corbin continue to play Hayward a measly 25 minutes a game in favor of his treasured veterans.

But Neon, John Stockton wasn't a full-time starter until his fourth year! Why ruin our great tradition of bringing guys along at "an appropriate pace?"

You got me there. It stands to reason that if Stockton had been given the reigns earlier that he would have imploded from the pressure. He wasn't good because of his talent, after all. He was good because the Jazz seasoned him like a nice cut of meat before consuming.

Soul Patch · Post #17 » by **Soul Patch** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:01 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:i don't know why the jazz don't post him up more. he's been very good at post up situations this year - it almost always ends in a made basket.

I've wondered the same thing. I think Marvin will be important in the playoffs where his defense will he showcased more and he'll have even less defensive pressure than he has now.

slcjosh · Post #18 » by **slcjosh** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:44 pm

Jazz_Man_86 wrote:Carroll can easily score 10+ pts per game. If he had a Marvin's mins.

Carroll has scored 10+ pts a game for 6 of his last 7 splitting time with alec. I could be wrong, but i feel like Demarre has played his way into another contract with utah. i wouldnt be surprised to see him get a 3 year deal after this season with the jazz.

Post #19 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:50 am

slcjosh wrote:
Jazz_Man_86 wrote:Carroll can easily score 10+ pts per game. If he had a Marvin's mins.

Carroll has scored 10+ pts a game for 6 of his last 7 splitting time with alec. I could be wrong, but i feel like Demarre has played his way into another contract with utah. i wouldnt be surprised to see him get a 3 year deal after this season with the jazz.

I agree. Carroll has really showed he's an NBA rotation player. I hope it's with the Jazz, but even if it's not I'm happy for the guy. I really like his game and what I've seen of his personality.

RyanStorm · Post #20 » by **RyanStorm** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:43 am

The59Sound wrote:
Neon Black wrote:I will be sorely disappointed if Marvin picks up his option AND we bring everyone back next year, effectively making Corbin continue to play Hayward a measly 25 minutes a game in favor of his treasured veterans.

But Neon, John Stockton wasn't a full-time starter until his fourth year! Why ruin our great tradition of bringing guys along at "an appropriate pace?"

I said this somewhere else, that Millsap spent 4 years on bench also, before he got starter position. Meaning a young movement is spread 1-3 years, and not getting a Pick last year delayed us big time. Still Kanter and Burks are only in 2nd year in NBA, Favors and Hayward are only in 3rd year, and Carroll is in his 4th. So a new draft pick would normally take us another 4 years, which is why I am saying not getting a PG in the last two drafts has seriously screwed up our timetable. Kanter and Burks will be in their prime by the time a 2013 draft pick is in their 4th, Favors and Hayward will be the veterens on the team by that time.

Anyways, This tells me that Carroll should have been starter this year, yet were not doing anything about it, even though he has paid his due this year and has proved his point since his first game. Its just so stupid to see Carroll score 10 points in the first half, which is more than Marvin has made in a week's worth of games. We don't need a post up or a 3pt shooter on the starters. We need a defensive savvy master, who can man up and get his own points by making a play out of nothing.

Hayward will hit 4th year next year, but like Carroll, he is probably going to see his 4th year on the bench. During his 5th year, is probably when him and Favors take Starter positions permanently, with Burks and Kanter questionable with Foye and Jefferson around. I see Favors making move quickly with Millsap gone.