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GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons

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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#141 » by ST21 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:40 am

MikeTheKid wrote:
I guess Faried doesn't count then, Parsons is legit and Lavoy Allen is serviceable with PHI. Jimmy Butler has hella potential with CHI.


lol I started noticing more and more names like faried and butler as soon as I posted it it. I was hoping my post would go ignored but guess not.

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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#142 » by GhostsOfGil » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:48 am

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GhostsOfGil wrote:Ya give credit to Detroit for playing damn good defense. Their perimeter rotations are spot on.

I give no credit to pistons defense. Washington offense is just this bad. Singleton plus ariza sucks so much ass its unreal whitman suck with them this long. What is he thinking?


Washington's offense is indeed bad but theres a reason why Beal and Webster were struggling to get open looks. If you failed to see that, then you weren't watching Detroits rotations.
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#143 » by MikeTheKid » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:25 am

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MikeTheKid wrote:
I guess Faried doesn't count then, Parsons is legit and Lavoy Allen is serviceable with PHI. Jimmy Butler has hella potential with CHI.


lol I started noticing more and more names like faried and butler as soon as I posted it it. I was hoping my post would go ignored but guess not.

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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#144 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:07 am

ST21 wrote:wall really didn't play that well until garbage time either. that jumper was as broke as ever and calderon was taking him to school all night.

but yeah wittman and those rotations, I don't even know what to say.

Beal was guarding Calderon most of the night...Calderon is just a great shooter, so unless you are blocking his shots, he's getting em up
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#145 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:09 am

TGW wrote:Lol at blaming whittman for playing it no playing someone. You guys give this wack roster way too much credit.

yeah, because beating the Clippers, Knicks, etc. were all flukes
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#146 » by hands11 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:44 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Nene had 2 rebounds in 33 minutes.
Monroe had 18 rebounds in 34 minutes.

Emeka Okafor had 25 points (10-15FG), 9 rebounds but Wittman only played him 25 minutes. :evil:

Two guys who have killed the Wizards every time they've played did it again. Charlie V only took 6 shots but scored 11 points. He hit 3/4 3PT shots, and had a big 4-pt play that put Detroit ahead 71-70. Will Bynum destroyed Wall again, with 20 points, 8 assists in just 21 minutes.

Calderon hit 6/9 3PT shots.

I notice that Washington loses games where Emeka scores a lot early. Nene seems to put it on cruise control.

This game Wittman coached very poorly. Washington was up 63-55 and from there was outscored 41-18 after some really bad substitutions.


I was thinking the same thing. Last really good game he had they lost as well.

Not sure Randy coached poorly for the entire game, but wow... sitting on his handles while Det made a move and the Wizards started to play sloppy turnover basketball was very poor coaching. I see other coaches use the time out much better to stop momentum swings. Its a game of runs. When you are in a tight battle like that, you have to call the TO when you see it changing. Randy didn't and the game got away from them.

Randy much think this is LAL of old and he is The Zen Master where he can let them play through it.

Kevin was forcing it.
Wall started shooting from outside all the sudden after 6 quarters of passing and driving.
Beal started to iso and dribble dribble dribble.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gamef ... ame=WASDET
Maybe this will help people see what happen.

Jose just torched them from the word go. Monroe is a machine and Will Bynum is exactly the kind of back up PG the Wizards are missing.

We got Wizarded. Detroit's defense was really good down the stretch. They really extended it which lead to worse passing and more one on one and more dribbling to get away from the pressure. Jose was in Beals grill.

With Monroe and Drummonds, Det is set up nicely for rebuild that team. Singler is a nice piece as well.
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#147 » by tontoz » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:07 pm

DANNYLANDOVER wrote:
ST21 wrote:wall really didn't play that well until garbage time either. that jumper was as broke as ever and calderon was taking him to school all night.

but yeah wittman and those rotations, I don't even know what to say.

Beal was guarding Calderon most of the night...Calderon is just a great shooter, so unless you are blocking his shots, he's getting em up



Calderon starts and Beal played off the bench so i don't think Beal was guarding him most of the night. I think they put Beal on him in the 2nd half when Detroit had Bynum and Calderon in the same lineup.
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#148 » by hands11 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:20 pm

DANNYLANDOVER wrote:
TGW wrote:Lol at blaming whittman for playing it no playing someone. You guys give this wack roster way too much credit.

yeah, because beating the Clippers, Knicks, etc. were all flukes


Right.

It was a hard fought game the first half and most of the 3rd. Wizards started to settle in and it looked like they were pulling away. Det was in much worse foul trouble. We needed to press them on that issue. But there wasn't a lot of room for error and Randy blinked ... sitting on that time out as Det ramped up their defense was a really bad coaching move. Kevin was forcing things. Wall started to do the same. Beal followed and did the same. It was falling apart and Randy just watched.

Wizards are a much better team then their record. That's clear. But they are not a complete team either. That is also clear. Besides pieces they have that need to get better like Wall improving, Beal continuing to grow and Randy learning how to be a better game time coach, they need PG depth. Badly. Price is a nice 3rd PG but he isn't as a quality back up PG. He is a marginal improvement to Mack but they need more then that from a back up PG.

Will Bynum is a perfect example. They would go from Jose challenging our defense to Bynum. There was no rest period. And not only do both their PGs have good handles, they can hit 3 balls and drive. Monroe is impressive for sure, but it was their PGs that beat the Wizards. Both their PG are total pests.

Wizards need their own Will Bynam or Nate Robinson type back up PG.

Not sure if the trade line is when they make a move or this next up coming draft, but this is an important year to build this team out more be it getting several first round picks this year or making the right trade for what they need.

Until they made the moves, there is reason to be concerned. But until they do, I'm not going to worry because I can't judge what hasn't happened.
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#149 » by hands11 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:35 pm

jivelikenice wrote:Now the Crawford benching is irritating me. Price was awful today. Beal was playing too many consecutive minutes...the offense needed a spark. Wy not play him??!!! I understand if a player being in the doghouse, but can anyone explain to me how Seraphin isn't in the doghouse? He is AWFUL and this shows a lack of consistency from Wittman.

Wall was ehhh...didn't like his energy to start. I've noticed that on the road at times he plays slower and likes to just run plays that feed the post. Almost like he's trying too hard to be under control. It also may have been him making a conscious effort to limit turnovers. I HATE iT. I could care less about the turnovers. I like when he applies pressure to the defense....I want him attacking and shooting early. When he doesn't, its hard for him to get going late in the game....his pressure opens things up on O.

I also hated nearly everything Wittman did today. It's laughable he didn't start Beal. I can't believe he was worried about hurting chemistry on a 15 win team. Maybe that mindset is why this team "lets success get to their heads"......

Btw, did I mention how much I hate Seraphn?


Come mid 3rd quarter or so, this game was begging for some Wizards to take over and lead. Only player that looked like they wanted to do that was Okafor and he was playing amazingly well. He really stepped up. They needed a guard to do the same. Det's guards were stepping up.

The game begged for Wall to drive more and press the defense but like you said he wasn't. Then he decided the way to do it instead of driving was the shoot :roll: . It was pretty much all down hill from there. It was like 2-3 turnovers in 3 minutes as Wall started shooting. Kevin S pitched in with like 3 or 4 bad plays in a row. It was like he followed Walls lead. Time to start shooting and going one on one, right. Wall is doing it. Then Beal even started doing it. It was like they revert to old Wizards style basketball in a blink of an eye.

So Wall didn't step up and Randy didn't adjust. I was thinking the same thing. Price showed me he wasn't enough in the first half. Either play Wall more, put Temple at PG or put Crawford in.

Hell, they needed an energy boast. I feel it for most the game. I would have even tried Ves at 2 min before a quarter ended.

Something needed to be done. You could feel it. Instead they tried to grind it out playing to the pre designed script Randy had.
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#150 » by AFM » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:46 pm

Wiz need another SF and PG. It's pretty clear. Ariza can play some nice D and can finish surprisingly well around the basket but aside from that hot shooting game against NYK, is pretty bad on offense. Webster can shoot lights out and plays well with Nene. Randy's lineups were baffling this game. I wonder how bad Seraphin has to play to get benched. Those 3 turn overs in a row was really Seraphin in a nut shell. Terrible. Okafor must have insulted Randy's mother to get benched like that.
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#151 » by AFM » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:50 pm

And yeah hands, I was begging Wall to drive. He didn't do so until the last 2 minutes, when it was too late. Seriously, you're being guarded by Jose Calderon and you aren't taking it to him? He's 10 years older than John. John should have been making him do the harlem shake.
Yesterday may have been John's worst game effort wise. Terrible defense on Calderon, not even putting his arms up to contest. Walking it down at the end of the 3rd and casually airballing a 3. Not playing aggressive on offense. Was he high?
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#152 » by jivelikenice » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:56 pm

I don't get why Wall didin't attack more early. He plays at a different pace and aggressiveness at home versus on the road and needs to be more consistent in that regards.

In regards to Wittman, I just hate that he let Detroit's small lineup dictate his lineup and not allow him to bring back Okafor. I like when we space the floor, but if nobody is hitting shots and Okafor is the only thing going, you have to figure out a way to get him back in.

P.S. I hate Seraphin
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Re: GT: 2/13 Wiz Kids @ Pistons 

Post#153 » by payitforward » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:19 pm

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MikeTheKid wrote:
I guess Faried doesn't count then, Parsons is legit and Lavoy Allen is serviceable with PHI. Jimmy Butler has hella potential with CHI.

lol I started noticing more and more names like faried and butler as soon as I posted it it. I was hoping my post would go ignored but guess not.

Fire Ernie!!

Right. 2011 is not turning out to be a weak draft class at all. Of the 11 guy taken between Vesely and Singleton, I'd say only 3-4 threaten to be as bad as Vesely is looking. Not to mention another 5-8 guys taken in the first round after Singleton who look like they'll be better than both Ves and Chris.

Hell, there look to be a handful of guys taken after Shelvin Mack who are better than Vesely or Singleton!

Ask yourself what this team would be like had we drafted Faried, Leonard and Chandler Parsons, and then used our two 2012 2d round picks wisely. Oh well... spilt milk.

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