Hot, Steamy 3-Way Action

[Neon Black]

Not suggesting this trade will ever happen, but would you do it as the GM of each of these teams?

Utah in:
Channing Frye
Phoenix 2013 1st round pick

Out: Millsap, 2013 1st round pick, 2013 GSW 1st round pick

Atlanta in:
Millsap
Beasley
Utah 2013 1st round pick

Out: Josh Smith

Phoenix in
Josh Smith
Kevin Murphy
Utah 2013 1st round pick via Golden State

Out: Channing Frye, Michael Beasley, 2013 1st round pick

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6238184

or

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bgr3f5e

Lineups

Utah

PG Mo,Tinsley, Watson Burks
SG Foye, Carrol, Hayward, Burks
SF Marvin, Hayward, Carrol
PF Favors, Frye, Kanter
C Jefferson, Kanter, Favors

Atlanta

PG Teague, Harris
SG Harris, Korver, Jenkins, Morrow
SF Beasley, Stevenson, Korver
PF Millsap, Tolliver, Scott, Johnson
C Horford, Pachulia, Petro

Phoenix

PG Dragic, Marshall, Brown, Telfair
SG Dudley, Tucker, Murphy
SF Josh Smith, Dudley, Johnson
PF Scola, Morris, Smith
C Gortat, O'Neal, Zeller

Why for Utah
Free up space for Favors to start while adding a solid big in Frye that can provide off the bench while Kanter continues to develop. Trade two late first-round picks for a top 6 pick to try and land the PG of the future, who most likely won't be available with their later picks.

Why for Atlanta
Josh Smith is in serious trade rumors, and this gets them a proven PF that will look great next to Horford while filling out the SF position left by Smith's departure. Millsap will have more of a chance to be the man without the glut of bigs in Utah...Millsap has played much better this year when one of the other bigs gets injured and the rotation tightens. The pick gives them a chance at young future piece.

Why for Phoenix
They get out of a weak draft and land a proven all-star (who they're rumored to be pursuing) in Josh Smith. Smith fills out that roster nicely and I see him playing well with Dragic feeding him the rock and Gortat backing him up. The Suns desperately need a go-to guy. Kevin Murphy is a nice young prospect that should fit well in the teams' culture and the draft pick gives them another asset.

[kebutah]

No from all teams

[Inigo Montoya]

it's not a bad trade. it is reasonable, but i think phoenix don't do it. they get millsap who becomes a backup behind jsmoove, which means he is not likely to stay there. if he will be willing to stay, he will cost more than frye who by that point will also have the shorter contract. so either they lose millsap for nothing, or they cough up more money per year for a longer contract for a new bench player to replace the bench player they sent away.

and since it is a weak draft, there is no sense for them in trading a higher pick just to end up with a much lower pick in the same weak draft. they might as well keep their original pick which is about top 6, where they will still be in a position to get the most talent out of this draft before it thins out even further (GS pick is currently at #22).

Also, atlanta will have to decide they want to keep millsap and pay him more than 24M for 3 years. it will also mean them keeping horford out of position at C instead of trying to find another piece which will move him to his natural PF position. and if they don't want to pay millsap, they might as well not do this trade at all and look for a bigger expiring contract instead of taking on beasley's 8M per year deal. keeping both millsap and beasley will cut their cap space significantly when they are looking to be big players at free agency this year and go after howard, for example.

[Neon Black]

I feel like Utah and Phoenix definitely do this deal. I know a lot of people have these pipe dreams about what we can get from Millsap, but a top lottery pick in this draft is about as good as it gets.

I definitely see why Atlanta says no...mostly because of Beasley's contract.

[Inigo Montoya]

I feel like Utah and Phoenix definitely do this deal. I know a lot of people have these pipe dreams about what we can get from Millsap, but a top lottery pick in this draft is about as good as it gets.

I definitely see why Atlanta says no...mostly because of Beasley's contract.

if we get a high draft pick for millsap i'll be happy. but i don't think he has this kind of value.

i'd do this deal just so we can get our PG with a high draft pick, so reapa will stop his kendall marshall mania nonsense... Nate Wolters all the way baby! (but not with a lottery pick of course).

[Neon Black]

I feel like Utah and Phoenix definitely do this deal. I know a lot of people have these pipe dreams about what we can get from Millsap, but a top lottery pick in this draft is about as good as it gets.

I definitely see why Atlanta says no...mostly because of Beasley's contract.

if we get a high draft pick for millsap i'll be happy. but i don't think he has this kind of value.

i'd do this deal just so we can get our PG with a high draft pick, so reapa will stop his kendall marshall mania nonsense... Nate Wolters all the way baby! (but not with a lottery pick of course).

Millsap doesn't have this kind of value by himself, but Josh Smith arguably does. Smith could very well be better than anyone the Suns might pick with the 6th or 7th pick.

I'm definitely on the Wolters train. Unfortunately, he's jumped up like 12 draft spots in many mock drafts and could very well go out way ahead of the Jazz's pick, which should land around #47.

[Inigo Montoya]

well, 2nd round picks are relatively easy to get in deals. and i wouldn't trust nbadraft.net anyway this time of year. also, if the jackrabbits get to the NCAA tournament, i suspect Wolters will make some noise there and will eventually become a first round pick. especially if he'll have a decent combine (who knows) and do well in pre draft workouts (which he will). when it's all said and done, i think that if the jazz will want him they'll have to use their lower 1st round pick on him. if smart, MCW and mccullum are gone by the jazz's first pick, they should get the best player available regardless of position, because some talent will fall for them. and then use the second 1st round pick on Wolters. trey burke scares me, as well as canaan.

[RyanStorm]

Well I have thought of similar trades, where we trade Millsap and a 1st round pick for an earlier draft pick, or trade our two draft picks for an earlier draft pick.

What it comes down to, is there a player we can get that is better than the draft pick we already got, like is there an earlier pick that is worth both of our picks?? Would we give up Millsap and a 1st round pick for an earlier 1st round pick, or add in our second 1st round pick even if includes a player like Fyre or better??


I am assuming your talking about Suns #5 pick, cause Millsap and two picks wouldn't be worth upgrading 5 spots from #18 pick to #13 pick, unless we know we can get someone we actually want, and assuming Millsap won't sign a contract.

For all we really know, Millsap plans on staying here, once he does FA he knows Jazz can now offer him more money, which he knows he can get, even if we just sign him to one more year. I don't think Jazz are personally ready to move up any young guys, not even next year. So Millsap can't get offered any higher than we offered, but in FA, others will throw big numbers in his face, and Jazz can match them, which I think is worth it, cause if he rake him in for a 1 year contract like we did on Foye/Marvin or got him in a long term deal, which we use next year, we could trade him during the next season at pro-rate deal, I mean a Vet on a solid 4 year deal is a big asset to trade. I mean clubs will be more interested in that, then doing what we did with Foye/Mo, which is a one year agreement. Cause no one wants to give up a lot just to get a guy who can leave in one year.

I think we could get more out of him at least more than we would right now, and will fit Jazz's young movement outline.

[Inigo Montoya]

For all we really know, Millsap plans on staying here, once he does FA he knows Jazz can now offer him more money, which he knows he can get, even if we just sign him to one more year.

he turned down the most the jazz could offer. he is not willing to come off the bench. he's given you all of the signs that he is about to move on and leave, and not the other way around. sure, when he is a free agent the jazz could offer him more than 8M per year. but do you think the jazz WANT OR WILLING to do that? for a bench player? or even if he's a starter - do you think the jazz will pay so much money when they know the team's ceiling with millsap as a starter is fighting for the last playoff spot and a 1st round exit at best?

So Millsap can't get offered any higher than we offered, but in FA, others will throw big numbers in his face, and Jazz can match them, which I think is worth it

once free agency begins, the jazz CAN'T MATCH ANY OFFER MILLSAP GETS. even if they want and willing to. once he signs an offer sheet, he automatically becomes a player of whoever offered him the contract he signed. the jazz don't have the right to make a qualifying offer to a free agent. only to a RESTRICTED free agent which millsap is not.

cause if he rake him in for a 1 year contract like we did on Foye/Marvin or got him in a long term deal, which we use next year, we could trade him during the next season at pro-rate deal, I mean a Vet on a solid 4 year deal is a big asset to trade.

there is NO WAY that millsap will be willing so sign a one year deal. with anyone. he's looking for long term security and to maximize his value, as well he should. also, since he turned down 8M per year for 3 years, what on earth makes you think he will agree to a 4M for one year?

furthermore, we didn't sign marvin on a one year deal, it is just what remained from his long term contract - 8.2M this year and a player option (which he is likely to exercise) for 7.5M next year.

foye agreed to sign a one year deal for a bargain of 2.5M, and he'll likely reap the benefits from the good year he's having. he took the risk for a one year, low offer deal because he knew he will be in a situation where his skills will be utilized and increase his value. he also probably didn't get good enough offers - his situation is similar to what OJ Mayo did with dallas. after the year foye is having, the jazz will have to offer him a multi year deal for substantially more than 2.5M per year, which is what he was thinking about when he signed with the jazz in the first place.

I think we could get more out of him at least more than we would right now, and will fit Jazz's young movement outline.

we couldn't trade him (millsap) for much last year, and we don't seem to be able to trade him for much this year (so far). what do you think his value is? and if you do by some miracle manage to sign him to a one year deal, then you'll be in the exact same position as you are in right now, wouldn't you? only he's one year older.

[StocktonShorts]

Phoenix has essentially said they're not trading first round picks unless they're landing a star.

[Ming Kong!]

Utah essentially, adds 2 extra years of salaries with Frye, who is overpaid and mediocre at best. And we trade 2 first round picks for one? This is a bad trade for Utah in every sense of the word.

[Fido]

I'd rather have the 1 phoenix pick than the 2 Jazz picks--but then again, so would Phoenix.