Trade Targets, Part Deux

[bobbyc]

Whats holding up this deal?

BKN Smith
Hump, Brooks, 2 1sts

CHA Hump
Gordon

ATL Gordon, Brooks, 2 1sts
Smith

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

They need to move Joe Johnson or dwill. Neither one is a very good player without the ball and they're both ball stoppers, especially Joe. While one does good the other is contributing nothing.

I can eventually see JJ being moved to 6th man because of this.

Dwell needs a pick n roll partner that's when he's his best, I'd like the nets to pursue boozer.[



Trade Johnson for boozer, both are over payed but the bulls need a backcourt mate for rose and boozer/dwill combo was deadly in Utah. Maybe the bulls throw in the younger Teague he won't get any burn behind rose/Heinrich

I dont think building around DWill is the smart move. Get people who fit well with Lopez since he is the best player on the team.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Whats holding up this deal?

BKN Smith
Hump, Brooks, 2 1sts

CHA Hump
Gordon

ATL Gordon, Brooks, 2 1sts
Smith

Atlanta would say no to that. Brooks, Gordon and Lou Will are all 6th men type of players.

Add a 4th team with the pieces you listed

Nets: Smith, B Gibson
Cle: Gordon, Watson
Cha: Hump, Stack
Atl: Speights, Brooks, Bogs, NJ 1st rounder, 7.8 mil TE

[AntwanBoldin]

No one wants to take the average girl at the bar home at 2:00am but someone always does.

There is no market for Smith. No one has offered more then the Nets have. It sucks for the Hawks but it is what it is. They arent going to let him just walk for nothing.

I am big proponent of the something is better than nothing argument. I have used it many times. But you are failing to apply the motivation by the Hawks here in terms of what they accomplish as their "something" and not understanding that there are times where doing noting at the deadline is MORE than the something you are being offered. Humps contract isnt a something its a negative. You dont get that part of this and its why you are not seeing it. Cant help you there if you dont want to understand that he isnt an asset right now. He will be next year. Pure cap space now beats trading an expiring for an added year of high paid stink.

See last summer when proud Magic fans said...rather let Howard leave than take the Nets crap offer I laughed and used the better than nothing argument. And of course Lopez isnt garbage. Orlando would have an all star center right now. Would letting him walk have been better? No.

But in the Hawks case it could be. Because they can deal for better players with their cap space if they cant sign someone. They can always sign other expirings. So this comes down to eliminating your options for Marshon Brooks. That is simply a bad deal.

Taking on Hump isnt going to effect their cap space this year. They will have enough money to sign a MAX player with Hump. Unless of course you think they can get both Dwight and Paul. Even then they can trade Hump to a 3rd team.

They lose nothing by taking Hump. They gain an asset for next year by taking him. They also get Brooks who is a viewed by most people as a very good young player. Bogs is a 1st round value also and they would be getting a 1st rounder. They wont say no to that.

They won't say no? Great were getting josh smith. Awesome .

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

I truly think we are

[bobbyc]

Whats holding up this deal?

BKN Smith
Hump, Brooks, 2 1sts

CHA Hump
Gordon

ATL Gordon, Brooks, 2 1sts
Smith

Atlanta would say no to that. Brooks, Gordon and Lou Will are all 6th men type of players.

Add a 4th team with the pieces you listed

Nets: Smith, B Gibson
Cle: Gordon, Watson
Cha: Hump, Stack
Atl: Speights, Brooks, Bogs, NJ 1st rounder, 7.8 mil TE

I don't think the 6th man thing holds them back. Louis Williams is out this year so Gordon fills in. Then next year, he is an expiring. Brooks can play along side Gordon and Williams playing the 3.

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah VC, I was talking about a team in general and what would happen in theory.

I wasn't referring to our situation right now and at this time. I completely understand what we're trying to do and why we needed to come in with a bang.
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Also, I wouldn't consider this year 3 or 4 anyway.

This year 1 of us having compiled good players to eventually compete for a title, but it's irrelevant since I don't think this team should be blown up at all. In all of my criticism of the team, I've never once that we should go back to being bottom dwellers. I have many complaints but moving to Brooklyn was a mini-victory in an of itself.

It's all new! (except for the embarrassing losses lol)

[enetric]

28 other teams and not one of them is trying to outbid the Nets.

Smith isnt worth a max contract. 28 other teams realize that as do the Nets FO. They know Hump and Brooks isnt fair value. Neither was Petro, Morrow, Farmar, D Steve, J Will for JJ

We are lucky enough to have an owner who practically prints money. Every move he has made has been Steinbrenner-like. Being a Mets fan, I can appreciate the money ramifications of sports. Josh Smith is a luxury only the Nets are willing to pay for.

See this is why you dont understand. You arent applying the goal of each team. Where does the trade take them. JJ wasnt about fair. It was about shedding back end years of a declining player. So less true asset was required. In fact...no asset was required. Please take this long big contract from us for your expring contracts.

What is the motivation to dealing the EXPIRING much better player for the right to pay 12 mil to a MUCH worse one????? So you can land a low level prospect?

That is not seeing the direction each team wants to go. Alt would like to either sign Smith to a reasonbable deal or add true assets without having to eat a crap burger salary match. Hump is a not a plus for them for the direction they are going.

You make it sound as it if Ferry would prefer to have Hump than say some team offers him a TE for the match.

Reason it out. What would the Hawks prefer? TO add 12mil for a bad player for another year...or if he could have an expiring right now instead?

[enetric]

I truly think we are

To be clear...I think there is a chance. But we will give up more than Marshon and Hump or a third team will be involved or both. If the best offer Ferry gets is Marshon and to PAY Hump himself for another year...he doesnt make a deal.

[dwolf15]

They need to move Joe Johnson or dwill. Neither one is a very good player without the ball and they're both ball stoppers, especially Joe. While one does good the other is contributing nothing.

I can eventually see JJ being moved to 6th man because of this.

Dwell needs a pick n roll partner that's when he's his best, I'd like the nets to pursue boozer.[



Trade Johnson for boozer, both are over payed but the bulls need a backcourt mate for rose and boozer/dwill combo was deadly in Utah. Maybe the bulls throw in the younger Teague he won't get any burn behind rose/Heinrich

That's a pretty expensive 6th man right there

I dont think building around DWill is the smart move. Get people who fit well with Lopez since he is the best player on the team.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

I truly think we are

To be clear...I think there is a chance. But we will give up more than Marshon and Hump or a third team will be involved or both. If the best offer Ferry gets is Marshon and to PAY Hump himself for another year...he doesnt make a deal.

I think either Cleveland and/or Charlotte will be the 3rd/4th teams. But if not I think Atlanta would take Hump. You mention above what their motivation would be. They are rebuilding so they would want young assets on rookie contracts and draft picks. That's what they would be getting from us.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah VC, I was talking about a team in general and what would happen in theory.

I wasn't referring to our situation right now and at this time. I completely understand what we're trying to do and why we needed to come in with a bang.
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Also, I wouldn't consider this year 3 or 4 anyway.

This year 1 of us having compiled good players to eventually compete for a title, but it's irrelevant since I don't think this team should be blown up at all. In all of my criticism of the team, I've never once that we should go back to being bottom dwellers. I have many complaints but moving to Brooklyn was a mini-victory in an of itself.

It's all new! (except for the embarrassing losses lol)

My bad man, was just speed typing. Was mainly just reiterating stuff we've all discussed for the newer or less involved on the board.

I don't know if I'm reading this wrong though or you read me wrong, but when I said year 3 or 4, I meant there's no real possibility of a complete rebuild in year 3 or 4 in Brooklyn either unless it's a free agent and trade rebuild again.

A full on blow it up draft/youth rebuild is really unlikely for this team any time in the next decade IMHO.

[vincecarter4pres]

Ken Berger reporting Lakers and C's having preliminary discussions on a Rondo for Howard swap...

[Jersey Generals]

Yeah, just saw that on facebook. I mean, I get it from both sides, but...

[NyCeEvO]

^^It's exactly what we need though.

Have D12 say "BK and only BK" and see if the Cs want Lopez at all.

[CalamityX12]

not saying it stated by the Nets FO, but Brook deserves some respect... this organization is to terrible in regards to loyalty for their players... do their hardest to get guys who don't want to be here and do little to keep guys who want to be here...

ava maria....

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a D12 for Rondo move? damn... Cs would/should do that....

[Jersey Generals]

I'm not even sure how the trade would work. Boston has a lot of crap contracts for salary filler, but the Lakers won't want that and they don't have enough roster spots to make a deal work with the vet min guys. I assume they'd want to keep Bradley, but would trade Sullinger and Melo. That still leaves about 2.5 million of so to trade.

[vincecarter4pres]

^^It's exactly what we need though.

Have D12 say "BK and only BK" and see if the Cs want Lopez at all.

Ha, damn it! Great minds, great minds!

[CalamityX12]

I'm not even sure how the trade would work. Boston has a lot of crap contracts for salary filler, but the Lakers won't want that and they don't have enough roster spots to make a deal work with the vet min guys. I assume they'd want to keep Bradley, but would trade Sullinger and Melo. That still leaves about 2.5 million of so to trade.

pp to LAL?

[enetric]

I truly think we are

To be clear...I think there is a chance. But we will give up more than Marshon and Hump or a third team will be involved or both. If the best offer Ferry gets is Marshon and to PAY Hump himself for another year...he doesnt make a deal.

I think either Cleveland and/or Charlotte will be the 3rd/4th teams. But if not I think Atlanta would take Hump. You mention above what their motivation would be. They are rebuilding so they would want young assets on rookie contracts and draft picks. That's what they would be getting from us.

Marshon Brooks isnt a valuable enough prospect to give up all possibility of retaining Josh Smith and on top of that to absorb Hump. So either you are overrating the asset side of the offer (Marshon, our weak draft picks, possibly Euro players) or you are underestimating why taking back Hump isnt a plus but a minus.

No matter what we give them from our pool yes, we would be stealing Josh and yes you are right...getting a bad deal is all Ferry will have to chose from. But there are deals that are worse than letting him walk. Ferry hasnt shown interest so far...doubtful that changes without the third team and possibly more than Marshon.