Miami Heat

[Illmatic21]

It's timing

It's crazy that Kobe and lebron are 6 years apart (and wade us only 3 years younger)

But Kobe and Jordan are 16 years apart

Mikan 50s
Russell 60s
Kareem 70s
Magic v Bird 80s
Mj 90s
Kobe 00s
Lebron 10s

It's ridiculous to list kobe as the player of the 2000's when shaq and duncan were the leaders of a combined 6 championships to kobe's 1 during that decade assuming the cutoff is 2009 (two if you consider 2010 part of that decade).

Not to mention the teams shaq and duncan led were dominant if not dynasties. Nobody is looking on the 2009-2010 lakers teams as dominant dynasties.

The 2000's were dominated by shaq and duncan.

You just said that Duncan led a dominant dynasty, yet he NEVER won back to back. But then you go on to discredit the Lakers back-to-back run.

If anything, that makes Kobe look even better. He owned the league for two straights seasons with a subpar team, something prime Duncan was unable to do with a dominant team.

[SashAlex]

Anyone who says that either Kobe or Duncan was the better one is either a Duncan fan or Kobe hater or hasn't followed NBA from the year 2000.

These are two of the greatest players of the last decade. Tim had a beautiful career with 4 titles, 3 Final MVPs, being known for his amazing fundamentals and on the other hand Kobe Bean Bryant, a young, flashy and athletic player in his early career that together with Shaq created the strongest duo of that time that won them 3 titles. Then led the Lakers to back to back titles together with Pau Gasol winning two finals MVPs.

So we've got Tim with 4 rings and 3 Final MVPs and Kobe with 5 rings and 2 Finals MVPs. It's stupid from now on to say that either one of them had a better prime or career. It's equal.

And no one remembers that during the Lakers three-peat, especially in 01 and 02, Kobe pretty much was the first option in the playoffs until the finals where Phil went mostly through Shaq to dominate the Eastern teams inside.

This decade will mostly probably be LeBron's if the goes to win a couple of more titles and keeps his marketing at the highest.

[Chocobanana]

For those people who keep quoting players who picked Kobe over Duncan/Shaq, are you guys fine with them offering no explanation to their choice? Or do you like agreeing with them even though they don't provide any proof for their argument AND have probably never been asked to argue Kobe > Duncan/Shaq?

[Flash4thewin]

Wade is already recruiting Kobe to join the heat when his contract is up. Kobe can take Ray role

[Joao Saraiva]

Kobe was and still is great at his age. His game is as smooth as you can get, it's simply a beauty to watch when he's on fire. But come on, when it comes to a player compairson, there's no way I can see Kobe ahead of Duncan.

People can use championships: that's fair enough. You have to win to be the greatest. And Kobe has 5. But just using championships is just wrong.

Tim Duncan has more MVPs, more FMVPs, he has the biggest winning % with his team (small market team!) in any american sport in history. He has monster performances in PO time. He has monster regular seasons. I mean, there's just no way Duncan is behind Kobe Bryant. His impact on the game is far greater. He may not put a show like Kobe sometimes, but basketball is about winning, not having the most beautiful game.

Duncan is the player of the 00s. I'm sorry for Shaq and Kobe fans. Shaq has the best prime, Kobe puts on the best show among the 3. But Duncan was the best player of the 00s.

[WinisKing]

Oh yeah...general board turning into PC board once again!!! 3 ongoing thread of Kobe vs...everyeles

[TheKingOfVa360]

Shaq and Duncan were clearly the best players of their generation. Then Kobe and Kg

[FreeChef]

Kobe's the best marketed and portrayed to the media and general public, which makes him the most memorable of his era. When you talk about playing ability, he's always been a 1-B or #2 on a great team.

For players, saying Kobe is the greatest is like the politically correct thing--gotta pay respect to the elders.

I'm sure Wade doesn't actually believe it. That's the sense I get whenever I see them go head-to-head.

Kobe's always had great things to say about Wade. Kobe even stuck up for Wade after Wade broke his nose last year. Lots of mutual respect.

[Rapcity_11]

This thread is hilarious.

There's supposedly a million Kobe haters on Real GM and everybody loves Duncan but there's like 5 Spurs fans total on here and a ton of Laker/Kobe fans. Kobe fans definitely win at complaining about haters.

Beardman can't count and it's **** hilarious.

The decades obviously go from 00-01 to 08-09 or 90-91 to 98-99. But the argument is pointless either way.

And you can?

Oh man, wow. Lack of sleep.

A decade is obviously 99-00 to 08-09...]

[Joao Saraiva]

Anyone who says that either Kobe or Duncan was the better one is either a Duncan fan or Kobe hater or hasn't followed NBA from the year 2000.

These are two of the greatest players of the last decade. Tim had a beautiful career with 4 titles, 3 Final MVPs, being known for his amazing fundamentals and on the other hand Kobe Bean Bryant, a young, flashy and athletic player in his early career that together with Shaq created the strongest duo of that time that won them 3 titles. Then led the Lakers to back to back titles together with Pau Gasol winning two finals MVPs.

So we've got Tim with 4 rings and 3 Final MVPs and Kobe with 5 rings and 2 Finals MVPs. It's stupid from now on to say that either one of them had a better prime or career. It's equal.

And no one remembers that during the Lakers three-peat, especially in 01 and 02, Kobe pretty much was the first option in the playoffs until the finals where Phil went mostly through Shaq to dominate the Eastern teams inside.

This decade will mostly probably be LeBron's if the goes to win a couple of more titles and keeps his marketing at the highest.

Sorry 3 FMVP againt 2 is not equal. And how convenient you forgot reg. season MVPs...

[Massamba]

LOL


Duncan form 1998 to 2007 4 nba tiltes - 3 finals mvps, 2 RS MVPs. ----- from 2008 to 2010 , 0
Kobe from 1998 to 2007 3 nba tiltes , 0 finals mvps , 0 RS mvps. from 2008 to 2010 2 nba titles , 2 finals mvps 1 mvp

Duncan dominated most of the 200'0s, Kobe earned it the last 2 years of the 2000's.

[garcia3]

Well i've got to agree with Wade here. When you combine Kobe's title runs with Shaq and Gasol's you've got to say its him. People like to discredit Kobe as being JUST 2nd option to Shaq in those 3 title runs, they fail to recognize that in most of those series it was more of a 1A 1B thing with Kobe and Shaq, you can ask those Blazers, Spurs and Kings teams. Kobe wasn't just a second option like people are saying here

Shaq was so dominant in those days one could even argue even Jordan would be wise to defer to him, its not common to see a player with that size, with that agility, with that bball IQ and so likely to put the other team's whole frontline in foul trouble. Shaq at times was performing like arguably the most dominant player ever.

But when he won that title with Wade it was clear Wade was the 1st option.

[garcia3]

the Kobe Shaq duo its something that we have never ever seen before and probably wont see it ever again

[Massamba]

the Kobe Shaq duo its something that we have never ever seen before and probably wont see it ever again

Of course Shaq in his prime was maybe the most dominant player in nba history.

[dreamchaser]

can't really argue, i don't like kobe but i respect him...

[garcia3]

the Kobe Shaq duo its something that we have never ever seen before and probably wont see it ever again

Of course Shaq in his prime was maybe the most dominant player in nba history.

Of course, a 7'1 monster closer to the basket like Shaq in those years will ALWAYS be a better option than a 6'6 guard as good as he can be, including Jordan

[XcalibuR]

I agree with Wade but only If an era is defined by the decade. Kobe and Duncan covered the entire 00s, more so Kobe since he had 5 rings. Shaq was just as good, but he covered a lot of the 90s and only half of the 00s. It really depends on your definition of era IMO.

[GAME TIME]

the Kobe Shaq duo its something that we have never ever seen before and probably wont see it ever again

Of course Shaq in his prime was maybe the most dominant player in nba history.

Of course, a 7'1 monster closer to the basket like Shaq in those years will ALWAYS be a better option than a 6'6 guard as good as he can be, including Jordan

yes, but put him on the free throw line 15 feet away

[sportjames23]

the Kobe Shaq duo its something that we have never ever seen before and probably wont see it ever again

Of course Shaq in his prime was maybe the most dominant player in nba history.

Of course, a 7'1 monster closer to the basket like Shaq in those years will ALWAYS be a better option than a 6'6 guard as good as he can be, including Jordan

[Respect My Mind]

This is pretty useless discussion. Frontcourt players and Backcourt players are not comparable.

You don't see people take part in this stupidity when talking Baseball players. Can't compare Pitchers to Outfielders.