Indians To Sign Michael Bourn

aj11 · Post #1 » by **aj11** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:59 am

Pretty good signing for the Indians, they've had a pretty good off-season.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/02/i ... bourn.html

UN-Owen · Post #2 » by **UN-Owen** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:35 am

The Swisher signing was pretty gross

Post #3 » by **Schad** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:54 am

Interesting, given that they're surrendering a pick (though a second-rounder) to do so.

The Indians do look to have improved, but I'm not entirely sure what they're doing...they now have quite a bit of money tied up in two players who don't really fit the age profile of the rest of the roster, and unless they're suddenly unshackling their payroll, they don't have a tonne of room to work with now, either this year or next. Could be a signing with an eye to trading him in a year or two, but giving up the pick limits the upside of that a little.

zong · Post #4 » by **zong** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:13 am

So they now have two leadoff hitters?

Somethin's gotta be cookin' right?

Skin Blues · Post #5 » by **Skin Blues** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:21 am

Great signing. The team is looking pretty good after adding Swish and Bourn. The pitching is still terrible but it's hard to fault a team for making major improvements with smart, low risk moves. If Bauer proves he's ready for the big leagues they could make a push for 2nd in the division. Which is still probably only 8th in the AL, unfortunately.

HangTime · Post #6 » by **HangTime** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:40 am

The MLB should remove all draft pick loss. and replace it with tax free iFA or Draft money + sandwhich draft pick.

For example: (how it is now)
Team "x" signs a type A free agent
Team "y" gains draft pick #15 and #37 sandwhick pick

Instead it should be:
Team "y" adds #15 draft slot money to thier pool for the draft or IFA (even though they don't obtain the pick), and get #37 sandwhich pick.

This way:
team "x" isn't hesitant to sign type A free agents.
Team "y" gets more money to sway less amount of prospects. or allows them to be aggressive in IFA.

Skin Blues · Post #7 » by **Skin Blues** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:51 am

There are no more type A/B designations, and teams that lose FAs no longer receive a first round pick as compensation. I think it's a bit silly to have a team that wants to sign a player have to lose a first rounder, but this is the first year of a long CBA agreement and I don't see it changing any time soon. Besides, the MLBPA is running out of ways to screw over future draftees/IFAs, and is therefore running out of negotiating power.

satyr9 · Post #8 » by **satyr9** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:32 pm

I guess this means Swish is gonna see more 1B and Santana more C.

Bourn CF L
Cabrera SS S
Santana C S
Swisher 1B S
Kipnis 2B L
Reynolds DH R
Chisenhall 3B L
Brantley RF L
Stubbs LF R

2 RH bats in the whole lineup is pretty crazy and 3 switch who could hit in a row.

Still, 4/48 for Bourn is pretty darn cheap compared to original estimates.

distracted · Post #9 » by **distracted** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:03 pm

Skin Blues wrote:There are no more type A/B designations, and teams that lose FAs no longer receive a first round pick as compensation. I think it's a bit silly to have a team that wants to sign a player have to lose a first rounder, but this is the first year of a long CBA agreement and I don't see it changing any time soon. Besides, the MLBPA is running out of ways to screw over future draftees/IFAs, and is therefore running out of negotiating power.

While you are right that there are no more type A/B designations, teams do still receive a first round pick as compensation.

The only reason the Indians didn't have to give up their first rounder is their pick is in the top 10, and thus not eligible for compensation. Had the Mets signed him the Braves would have received the 11th overall pick as compensation.

Avenger · Post #10 » by **Avenger** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:50 pm

I don't understand the Indians, why didn't they hold on to Choo if they were planning on signing Swisher and Bourn. That lineup looks good now but it would have been pretty much the best in the AL if you replace Stubbs with Choo

Skin Blues · Post #11 » by **Skin Blues** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:40 am

distracted wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:There are no more type A/B designations, and teams that lose FAs no longer receive a first round pick as compensation. I think it's a bit silly to have a team that wants to sign a player have to lose a first rounder, but this is the first year of a long CBA agreement and I don't see it changing any time soon. Besides, the MLBPA is running out of ways to screw over future draftees/IFAs, and is therefore running out of negotiating power.

While you are right that there are no more type A/B designations, teams do still receive a first round pick as compensation.

The only reason the Indians didn't have to give up their first rounder is their pick is in the top 10, and thus not eligible for compensation. Had the Mets signed him the Braves would have received the 11th overall pick as compensation.

Nope. The first round pick does not go to the team that lost the FA. Those are the old rules. The only pick the Braves get regardless is the sandwich pick, no matter who signed Bourn.

Raptor_Guy · Post #12 » by **Raptor_Guy** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:37 pm

Do you think the Braves might regret giving BJ Upton 75mil when they could've kept Bourn for 48mil? Especially since Bourn gets on base way more and is better defensively.

TwistedLogic · Post #13 » by **TwistedLogic** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:50 am

Not sure if anyone picked this up yet but this signing should mean that the first at-bat of the season will be Michael Bourn vs RA Dickey. Should be a fun sight to see.

Tyrone Slothrop · Post #14 » by **Tyrone Slothrop** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:04 pm

TwistedLogic wrote:Not sure if anyone picked this up yet but this signing should mean that the first at-bat of the season will be Michael Bourn vs RA Dickey. Should be a fun sight to see.

Bourn actually had really good numbers last year against Dickey in 9 PA with a 1.381 OPS. Doesn't really mean anything, but interesting nonetheless.