Miami Heat

[bbms]

5 rings isn't a very good argument, because simply doesn't count that Kobe's Lakers neve succeed without dominantoffensive presence on the frontcourt. Gasol on the back-to-back titles was a force down low, and was a good rebounder. Not to mention Shaq aka Triple team, who was the man who people gameplanned back in the early 00's.

Imo Duncan and Shaq had better careers and peaks than Kobe. I'd also argue that Garnett was a greater talent than Kobe that underachieved because of a poor job from Timberwolves at building around him.

Its funny to me how NBA players, analysts who have played & studied the game & played against these players all have agreed with Kobe dominating this era, yet here come the realgm posters attempting to spit their knowledge & prove them wrong LOL...

Keep em coming & let it sting.

Funny that Michael Jordan drafted Kwame Brown, Magic Johnson was a poor coach, Larry Bird is an average GM, Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal are jokes as analysts... On the other hand, great coaches like Rick Adelman, Phil Jackson and Jerry Sloan had underwhelming NBA careers, Gregg Popovich never actually played professional basketball, not all the good GMs that have never played as pro...

Just because you can play, doesn't mean you understand the game from an outside view, or make an accurate analysis towards a basketball game or player.

[garcia3]

You think otherwise?? you'd make a great coach

[garcia3]

Imo Duncan and Shaq had better careers and peaks than Kobe. I'd also argue that Garnett was a greater talent than Kobe that underachieved because of a poor job from Timberwolves at building around him

Kobe Bryant at his absolute peak was surrounded by who?? oh i remember, Smush Parker at the 1, Luke Walton at the 3, Brian Cook at the 4 and Kwame Brown at the 5 spot

[bbms]

Imo Duncan and Shaq had better careers and peaks than Kobe. I'd also argue that Garnett was a greater talent than Kobe that underachieved because of a poor job from Timberwolves at building around him

Kobe Bryant at his absolute peak was surrounded by who?? oh i remember, Smush Parker at the 1, Luke Walton at the 3, Brian Cook at the 4 and Kwame Brown at the 5 spot

00-04, 08-10. 8 seasons surrounded by elite talent around him. Garnett had how much? 3? None of them at T-Wolves. Also never happened to play with arguably the most dominant offensive player ever.

[Ayt]

The 00's decade is from 00-09.
His 2010 title doesn't count.

A decade is 10 years bro.

I can see why you struggle to understand things like TS% and per36 stats.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

The 00's decade is from 00-09.
His 2010 title doesn't count.

A decade is 10 years bro.

I can see why you struggle to understand things like TS% and per36 stats.

I'm just curious which pbp he is.

[garcia3]

Imo Duncan and Shaq had better careers and peaks than Kobe. I'd also argue that Garnett was a greater talent than Kobe that underachieved because of a poor job from Timberwolves at building around him

Kobe Bryant at his absolute peak was surrounded by who?? oh i remember, Smush Parker at the 1, Luke Walton at the 3, Brian Cook at the 4 and Kwame Brown at the 5 spot

00-04, 08-10. 8 seasons surrounded by elite talent around him. Garnett had how much? 3? None of them at T-Wolves. Also never happened to play with arguably the most dominant offensive player ever.

You can look it up, KG in those years never had better stats than Kobe even when Kobe was a so called 2nd option. Your right, Kevin McHale was a horrible GM, and one of the worst things that could've happened to KG in his career, but in those years you are talking about Kobe Bryant with THIS athletic ability man....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFetRgJOn7c[/youtube]

And in the 05-06 season Kobe averaged 35.4/5/4 with junk talent around him, you cant be serious if you think KG was a better player in this era

[Massamba]

This is pretty useless discussion. Frontcourt players and Backcourt players are not comparable.

You don't see people take part in this stupidity when talking Baseball players. Can't compare Pitchers to Outfielders.

So don't tell best player , but best backcourt players.

[aal04]

I can not say Kobe is the best player of the decade when he wasnt even the best player in 1 of 30 nba teams for good portion of it.

[LikeABosh]

Duncan never defended his title as the man. Kobe will always have that over him, that's what people are looking for when they compare these 2 head to head.

When we were voting between these two on the PC board, I don't think anybody actually cared about the back to back aspect. The ~12 straight +50 win seasons and being a title contender every year since his entrance into the league meant a lot more.

[osamu]

I think WADE is trolling. Kobe was only dominant for the last 2 rings. Aside from that it's all about Shaq and Duncan

[PLUGITUP9]

I want D Wade to define, "Our Era".

I think this is the most critical aspect to assist in everyones opinions. Part of me thinks Wade is saying this partly in truth and partly to have a stab to motivate Bron and possibly bring down Kobe.

If Kobe is so great why are the Lakers not even in the playoff picture with 4 other previous all-stars? Sure he's won 5 rings and yes he is a great player but he never would have won without Shaq for starters and Shaq should get most of the credit for the 3peat not Kobe. The credit he does deserve is winning with Gasol and Odom etc.

Overall when all is said and done Bron will be the greatest of our Era.

[Mattsanity]

Kobe won 4 rings in the 2000's, not 5. The 2000's belonged to Shaq.

[karkinos]

I want D Wade to define, "Our Era".

I think this is the most critical aspect to assist in everyones opinions. Part of me thinks Wade is saying this partly in truth and partly to have a stab to motivate Bron and possibly bring down Kobe.

If Kobe is so great why are the Lakers not even in the playoff picture with 4 other previous all-stars? Sure he's won 5 rings and yes he is a great player but he never would have won without Shaq for starters and Shaq should get most of the credit for the 3peat not Kobe. The credit he does deserve is winning with Gasol and Odom etc.

Overall when all is said and done Bron will be the greatest of our Era.

bron is a different era

he won't be counted in kobe's

[GOODKIDmAAdCITY]

KOBE!!!

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[kodo]

Except he wasn't.

He doesn't even have an argument for GOAT of this era unless you consider Shaq to be from a previous era.

Shaq was from a previous era.

Shaq came into the league in '93, he's mainly a 90s player. He only dominated for a few years of the 00's. And more importantly, his style of play was from the previous era of low post big men who scored and were the offensive & defensive anchor of their teams.

Kobe is a post 2000 player like Wade & Lebron, he didn't break 20 ppg until the 99-00 season. This era featured perimeter ballhandling players as the offensive focus, Kobe Wade Lebron Billups Pierce.

[PLUGITUP9]

I want D Wade to define, "Our Era".

I think this is the most critical aspect to assist in everyones opinions. Part of me thinks Wade is saying this partly in truth and partly to have a stab to motivate Bron and possibly bring down Kobe.

If Kobe is so great why are the Lakers not even in the playoff picture with 4 other previous all-stars? Sure he's won 5 rings and yes he is a great player but he never would have won without Shaq for starters and Shaq should get most of the credit for the 3peat not Kobe. The credit he does deserve is winning with Gasol and Odom etc.

Overall when all is said and done Bron will be the greatest of our Era.

bron is a different era

he won't be counted in kobe's[/quote
Is that true or not? I would like this clarified because the way some people read it is Kobe is better than Bron?

[GoldKnightRises]

Still don't understand why people are still ignoring the fact that Wade said era & not decade, why some people here want to not count one of Kobe's rings due to "decade" talk is beyond me....

[bbms]

You can look it up, KG in those years never had better stats than Kobe even when Kobe was a so called 2nd option. Your right, Kevin McHale was a horrible GM, and one of the worst things that could've happened to KG in his career, but in those years you are talking about Kobe Bryant with THIS athletic ability man....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFetRgJOn7c[/youtube]

And in the 05-06 season Kobe averaged 35.4/5/4 with junk talent around him, you cant be serious if you think KG was a better player in this era

What about Garnett's all-time combination of defensive impact, rebounding and playmaking ability for a bigman? When Kobe was a second option, he had a guy named Shaq to create a lot of space for his infiltrations and demand attention off the bal. Kobe benefitted a lot from Shaq's ability to draw defenses and be succesful to escape from them.

[GoldKnightRises]

Kobe just has too many achievements to not be the best of the era. As great as Shaq & Duncan were. Kobe just separates himself from the 2 in the end. Look at the accomplishments, the individual records, you won't find more under Duncan or Shaq's name than under Kobe Bryant's.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but if you are going to have an opinion, don't go default to Duncan because of how you feel about Kobe personally. Overall, players know it, the media knows it, most fans know it, endorsements know it, Kobe Bryant is the face of this past era whether you like it or not.

LeBron is the new face of this new era, but After MJ, it's Kobe's there's absolutely no denying that.