Trade Targets, Part Deux

[vincecarter4pres]

You are missing it my friend. You dont need the cap space.

Bro...THIS is the weapon that WE have been using here ad nauseum against all trolls that come in here the past couple of years, and now that it no longer favors us, you are dismissing it?

The threat was NEVER about Dwight wanting Brooklyn...it was always that DWIGHT WANTS BROOKLYN AND BROOKLYN HAS CAP SPACE.

Actually many of us have always stood by that just one team with few assets has to have cap space and be a realistic destination for said player as a free agent for that player to keep leverage over whatever destination he likes.

The leverage is surely not as great as when said player's preferred destination also has full cap room for their signing, but it still stands.

And the fact is we have a huge trade asset with which to trade for Dwight and the other 2 likely destinations have crap to trade, only the 3rd distant destination has legit assets, that being Atlanta if they were willing to deal Horford and picks.

[enetric]

WTF are you even talking about?

You are by far the biggest internet tough guy on here. And it was you who went there 1st.

I would make fun of you but it's not cool to pick on someone who hasnt gotten any in over a decade and has to resort to frivolous internet trolling to get all of that pent up frustration. It's not anger that I feel for you its more of pity.

Look, move out of your mothers basement before you try talking smack. You dont rate in the top 50 trolls I have banished off this board. You are just a tiny little fly pretending he has something going on from behind your dorito cheese covered key board. We both know you dont.

And as for talking hoops...realize that even if I had said absolutely nothing in reply to your inane ramblings...every single other poster here has tried to tell you how little you know. And all you have done is argue 2+2= fruit ...firmly proving that you know absolutely nothing.

Seriously little lady you are so in over your head. Its OK to admit you are wrong rather than repeated nonsense that we have been forced to read over and over again. Go upstairs, ask your Mommy to fix you a nice tuna sandwich and enjoy the all star game while you brush your dollies hair. Let the grown ups talk.

Buh bye princess

[enetric]

You are missing it my friend. You dont need the cap space.

Bro...THIS is the weapon that WE have been using here ad nauseum against all trolls that come in here the past couple of years, and now that it no longer favors us, you are dismissing it?

The threat was NEVER about Dwight wanting Brooklyn...it was always that DWIGHT WANTS BROOKLYN AND BROOKLYN HAS CAP SPACE.

Speedy I think somewhere you are confused here. I have been very consistent on this point. I said the EXACT same thing last year at the deadline. I said it over and over again that Dwight needs to say NETS and ONLY Nets....and that cap space isnt required whatsoever to motivate that team to deal.

My argument HAS never not ever been about having cap space and it still isnt. Its about SOMEONE having cap space. The threat to bolt is what gets a GM to consider a deal. The threat to other GM's not to stay with their team is what keeps the list of buyers to as short as you want it to be.

And so long as we have legit assets worth considering a deal...that is what you need to have a real conversation. Now...agreed LA calling his bluff is easier than Orlando doing it. Harder to bolt LA for Atlanta than Orlando for NY. But the threat the ability to angle...is absolutely what I said last year and I have not flipped that one bit.

Not sure why you think otherwise or think that having cap space for us matters. Read what I explained again. It makes perfect sense and it explains why Orlando wasnt able to shop Dwight all over the league last year and why LA would have the same problem now if they wanted to deal.

[Rich Rane]

Alright, I'm done on this and say this only once, keep this on topic. Any posts not on topic after this one will be deleted.

[SpeedyG]

You are missing it my friend. You dont need the cap space.

Bro...THIS is the weapon that WE have been using here ad nauseum against all trolls that come in here the past couple of years, and now that it no longer favors us, you are dismissing it?

The threat was NEVER about Dwight wanting Brooklyn...it was always that DWIGHT WANTS BROOKLYN AND BROOKLYN HAS CAP SPACE.

Speedy I think somewhere you are confused here. I have been very consistent on this point. I said the EXACT same thing last year at the deadline. I said it over and over again that Dwight needs to say NETS and ONLY Nets....and that cap space isnt required whatsoever to motivate that team to deal.

My argument HAS never not ever been about having cap space and it still isnt. Its about SOMEONE having cap space. The threat to bolt is what gets a GM to consider a deal. The threat to other GM's not to stay with their team is what keeps the list of buyers to as short as you want it to be.

And so long as we have legit assets worth considering a deal...that is what you need to have a real conversation. Now...agreed LA calling his bluff is easier than Orlando doing it. Harder to bolt LA for Atlanta than Orlando for NY. But the threat the ability to angle...is absolutely what I said last year and I have not flipped that one bit.

Not sure why you think otherwise or think that having cap space for us matters. Read what I explained again. It makes perfect sense and it explains why Orlando wasnt able to shop Dwight all over the league last year and why LA would have the same problem now if they wanted to deal.

What made it difficult for Orlando to shop him to anyone else was because he was saying BROOKLYN and Brooklyn had the space.

I don't know why this is being even argued. Anyone who traded for him knows he can WALK and WALK TO WHERE HE WANTS TO BE.

That's a HUGE thing.

Now? Yeah, OK...you can walk...BUT NO MATTER WHERE YOU WALK, YOUR SITUATION THERE WILL BE WORSE OFF THAN WHAT YOU'LL BE IN HERE IN LA.

HUGE DRASTIC difference, from the situation we had last deadline, when Dwight could have gotten his cake, and eat it too....until he got stupid and signed that option.

Tell me how that gives Dwight and Brooklyn the leverage?!?

[N Ireland Nets]

Howard is kicking up hell to get out of LA.

Josh Smith is a hard deal to make.

Things are going to get interesting coming up to the deadline. We're now in the misinformation phase right now with lots of lies coming out from everywhere.

Howard wants out of LA. Howard wants to go to Brooklyn & has told LA he'll walk. We'll see who blinks 1st. Howard is completely dogging it in LA, he doesn't give a damn.

Howard to Brooklyn at the deadline or sign with Houston as a free agent I reckon.

Still wouldn't be surprised if our only move is Hump for Gordon but Nets want another guy off the Bobcats but I duno who, might be Taylor, Mullens or Henderson or something but I've no idea.

Got to ask ourselves who released the info on the Gordon bust up because it reduces his value & could lead to the Nets asking for another asset in the deal by sending Brooks with Hump.

There's a good chance our only deal is a smaller one like Hump for Gordon.

Under no circumstances would I trade Bogdanovic. He's averaging 50% FG, 40% 3P% & 90% FT. He's an offensive monster that we need to get over to BKN asap for more wing depth. He'd be a lotto pick in the 2013 draft.

Can't wait to see what happens though, it'll be interesting either way.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Bogs is very expendable. We need more defense, not offense. If he needs to be included in a Dwight or Smith then the Nets dont bat an eye sending him.

[enetric]

What made it difficult for Orlando to shop him to anyone else was because he was saying BROOKLYN and Brooklyn had the space.

I don't know why this is being even argued. Anyone who traded for him knows he can WALK and WALK TO WHERE HE WANTS TO BE.

That's a HUGE thing.

Now? Yeah, OK...you can walk...BUT NO MATTER WHERE YOU WALK, YOUR SITUATION THERE WILL BE WORSE OFF THAN WHAT YOU'LL BE IN HERE IN LA.

HUGE DRASTIC difference, from the situation we had last deadline, when Dwight could have gotten his cake, and eat it too....until he got stupid and signed that option.

Tell me how that gives Dwight and Brooklyn the leverage?!?

Speedy... Sure you can call his bluff because its less optimal to be in Atlanta or Dallas or Houston than LA. But...if you are the GM...and there is a CHANCE you can lose him...and if his agent says...my client DOESNT want to be here and will walk. What do you do? You simply say...nah! Lets roll the dice? Screw Brook Lopez and picks. Screw it. No way he leaves US, our losing record, our harsh media and Kobe pimp slapping him publicly for the next two years. Absolutely NO shot...so lets just ignore him completely. We shouldnt consider a last minute deal to take 75 cents on the dollar.

Our cap room has no bearing on the leverage DWIGHT would have. if your point is that we cant force them to talk to US? Absolutely I get it. But, Dwight can sure give them incentive and only a bad GM would ignore it IF a guy that big that already cost you one all star center ends up costing you another.

That's the point. Cap space has no bearing on actual leverage here so long as SOMEONE out there has the cap space and so long as Dwight would be prepared to start pushing buttons with no remorse.

Denver didnt pull out of dealing Melo to us. had we said done deal...Melo gets traded to us. We bailed out because Melo wouldnt commit to us. Wouldnt even talk to us. Denver dealt him because they couldnt keep him. And yes the Nix had cap space to sign him that summer but that is not why he got dealt to NY. He got dealt there because Denver had no other buyers. No one would give up assets so long as Melo wasnt interested.

So for the sake of semantics? Lets just say DWIGHT has leverage to get LA to the trade table not the Nets.

And lets say Dwight has the leverage to scare off 28 other teams from being trade partners. He just has to flex that muscle as a massive star player on an expiring contract.

[enetric]

Howard is kicking up hell to get out of LA.


Howard wants out of LA. Howard wants to go to Brooklyn & has told LA he'll walk. We'll see who blinks 1st. Howard is completely dogging it in LA, he doesn't give a damn.

NIN did you actually read something or do you have a link to something that leds you to say that he has actually asked out or that he is still trying to get here? I read the SAS article alleging the he told Rudy Gay he was going to be dealt to us...but I havent seen an interview or read an article that says he has asked out or said anything to indicate Bklyn.

Were you speculating like the rest of us or did I miss something?

[NyCeEvO]

Howard is kicking up hell to get out of LA.


Howard wants out of LA. Howard wants to go to Brooklyn & has told LA he'll walk. We'll see who blinks 1st. Howard is completely dogging it in LA, he doesn't give a damn.

NIN did you actually read something or do you have a link to something that leds you to say that he has actually asked out or that he is still trying to get here? I read the SAS article alleging the he told Rudy Gay he was going to be dealt to us...but I havent seen an interview or read an article that says he has asked out or said anything to indicate Bklyn.

Were you speculating like the rest of us or did I miss something?

It's speculation.

Just because Dwight shows terrible body language and attitude in front of camera doesn't mean that he's going AWOL behind the scenes.

As I said before, Dwight isn't the type of guy to actually go to Mitch Kupchak, the GM of the team that has won 17 championships and 2 within the last 4 years and say "Trade me to another team. I'm not re-signing".

Dwight can do that in ORL because they don't have the clout of the LAL franchise.

I think LAL is kinda in disbelief and denial that a superstar player actually does not want to be in LA, so they're trying to forcefully change his mind to see if he re-considers.

It's not a smart idea but if they can ensure that Dwight can't go to his #1 destination, they probably believe that he'll just resign himself to playing in LA over HOU.

[jerseyjac]

Derailing threads will end up in an automatic suspension...

[N Ireland Nets]

Howard is kicking up hell to get out of LA.


Howard wants out of LA. Howard wants to go to Brooklyn & has told LA he'll walk. We'll see who blinks 1st. Howard is completely dogging it in LA, he doesn't give a damn.

NIN did you actually read something or do you have a link to something that leds you to say that he has actually asked out or that he is still trying to get here? I read the SAS article alleging the he told Rudy Gay he was going to be dealt to us...but I havent seen an interview or read an article that says he has asked out or said anything to indicate Bklyn.

Were you speculating like the rest of us or did I miss something?

It's speculation.

Is it?!

Ask Vince how long ago I told him about the drama in LA that was happening...

Like I said before, its still unlikely we do anything outside of a Hump deal currently but things are changing fast so who knows what will happen.

Fill in the rest...but Fegan and Howard are pushing this and want Brooklyn badly. Howard is using Houston and Dallas as the pressure to force a trade pre deadline. Howard doesn't care anymore, he's turned into the villain people love to hate. It's got to the stage image wise where it doesn't matter what happens, he's going to be seen as an idiot so he's going hell for leather "Kevin Love" style in LA to get what he wants.

Personal opinion: Obviously Howard wants BKN and I see Houston as the best free agent spot but if LA hold onto him past the deadline, I still find it hard to see Howard walking away from all that money in the 5th year he gets from LA. With his injuries right now he might reconsider his stance in the summer. It's a big game of bluff, who blinks first??

[jerseyjac]

The Bucks could offer a package of Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova for Smith.

Really?

[NyCeEvO]

Dude, D12 just did an ASB interview with ESPN where he said all of the right things but didn't compromise the fact that he's still a free agent.

If he wanted out badly enough, he'd pull a Melo and just flat out tell them in public and in private he's not coming back.

Or he'd pull a Kobe and just go all out in the public. He hasnt done either.

Everyone knows he doesn't like LAL but you're making it seem like he is doinh everything he can to get traded like Melo did from Denver and Kobe was threatening to do years earlier, but he's not doing that.

Yes, he's unhappy and disgruntled but he's not demanding out to the level that you're implying.

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[PetroNet]

Howard is kicking up hell to get out of LA.

Josh Smith is a hard deal to make.

Things are going to get interesting coming up to the deadline. We're now in the misinformation phase right now with lots of lies coming out from everywhere.

Howard wants out of LA. Howard wants to go to Brooklyn & has told LA he'll walk. We'll see who blinks 1st. Howard is completely dogging it in LA, he doesn't give a damn.

Howard to Brooklyn at the deadline or sign with Houston as a free agent I reckon.

Still wouldn't be surprised if our only move is Hump for Gordon but Nets want another guy off the Bobcats but I duno who, might be Taylor, Mullens or Henderson or something but I've no idea.

Got to ask ourselves who released the info on the Gordon bust up because it reduces his value & could lead to the Nets asking for another asset in the deal by sending Brooks with Hump.

There's a good chance our only deal is a smaller one like Hump for Gordon.

Under no circumstances would I trade Bogdanovic. He's averaging 50% FG, 40% 3P% & 90% FT. He's an offensive monster that we need to get over to BKN asap for more wing depth. He'd be a lotto pick in the 2013 draft.

Can't wait to see what happens though, it'll be interesting either way.

I think we will end up making the Gordon deal, because it just makes sense for both sides. Charlotte gets rid of him, while adding a rebounding 4 while still retaining a large expiring for next year. The nets clear the logjam at the 4 spot, get more minutes for mirza(hooray!) and add an explosive backup wing scorer while also still retaining that large expiring for next year. I can see maybe a small sweetener from the bobcats, a 2014 2nd rounder or something like that, but nothing crazy.

I'd be fine with that. I can roll with:

Dwill/CJ/Taylor
JJ/Gordon
Wallace/Bogans
Evans/Mirza
Brook/Blatche

i dont see the need for a major move just to make one. id be fine dealing for smith(for or crap assets) or howard in a lopez deal. but outside of that i dont need to take on boozer or milsap. again, i wouldnt be upset dealing minor assets and landing one of them, but id be fine waiting until next year and seeing what options we have or even at the draft.

if we can make the gordan deal, and then maybe trade for a marginal backup center to give us more options with blatche, id consider that a success on kings part.

[PetroNet]

Bogs is very expendable. We need more defense, not offense. If he needs to be included in a Dwight or Smith then the Nets dont bat an eye sending him.

Sure, if we can get dwight howard or smith, i dont let him stand in the way. but outside of landing a young defensive all-star, i dont move him. and while i agree offense isnt the main focus for us as far as need goes, getting a legit back up SG certainly is an area of need.

i mean, JJ is logging a ton of minutes, and we really dont have a reserve SG. watson is a hybrid and not good solution and also has to back up dwill. Bogans is a backup 3 and also has to spell wallace. Brooks is flat out awful and stackhouse is 50 years old.

Bogs would be great if there was anyway to get him here next season

[PetroNet]

Speedy... Sure you can call his bluff because its less optimal to be in Atlanta or Dallas or Houston than LA. But...if you are the GM...and there is a CHANCE you can lose him...and if his agent says...my client DOESNT want to be here and will walk. What do you do? You simply say...nah! Lets roll the dice? Screw Brook Lopez and picks. Screw it. No way he leaves US, our losing record, our harsh media and Kobe pimp slapping him publicly for the next two years. Absolutely NO shot...so lets just ignore him completely. We shouldnt consider a last minute deal to take 75 cents on the dollar.

E, your general point is spot on. and in 99% of normal situations I would agree with you. But in this instance, if i'm LA, i would have no issue rolling the dice on him staying in LA.

I mean, think about it. Howard was in orlando, a less desirable spot then L.A. He had an ETO. he demanded to be traded to brooklyn and only brooklyn. and what happened? not only did he not go to brooklyn, he didnt even get traded and he ended up giving up his ETO!

The guy clearly is intimidated by the process, doesnt listen to his agent, and can be manipulated by GM's. Dont get me wrong, if I'm LA, and i cant get a good deal id trade him, but I also wouldnt have a ton of fear of him leaving if it came down to it

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

The Bucks could offer a package of Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova for Smith.

Really?

Why would the Bucks do that for though? Smith wants a big market.

Do people remember this

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... aft_062011

He listed

Boston
Orlando
Houston
Brooklyn

As teams he wanted to be traded to.

People need to realize that the destination is important to him. Change Orlando to LA because playing with Howard was the reason why he wanted the Magic. So what do these teams have to offer?

Lakers already offered Gasol to Atlanta and the Hawks refused.

Boston might be a real threat if they offer Rondo. KG or Pierce isnt getting it done.

Houston can offer Asik and Parsons but I dont see them giving up on getting Dwight.

The Nets are sitting in the drivers seat. Marshon Brooks is from Atlanta and fills there need for a primary backcourt scorer. They also need a center. Send them Blatche. They would have to take on Hump or find a 3rd team to take on his contract. Add a 1st round pick and Bogdanovic and it's a done deal. IMO

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=agclss8

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Bogs is very expendable. We need more defense, not offense. If he needs to be included in a Dwight or Smith then the Nets dont bat an eye sending him.

Sure, if we can get dwight howard or smith, i dont let him stand in the way. but outside of landing a young defensive all-star, i dont move him. and while i agree offense isnt the main focus for us as far as need goes, getting a legit back up SG certainly is an area of need.

i mean, JJ is logging a ton of minutes, and we really dont have a reserve SG. watson is a hybrid and not good solution and also has to back up dwill. Bogans is a backup 3 and also has to spell wallace. Brooks is flat out awful and stackhouse is 50 years old.

Bogs would be great if there was anyway to get him here next season

I agree with what you said. A SG would be a nice addition. Bogans is playing well above his ability and I expect him to come back to earth sooner rather then later.

I also see JJ morphing more into a SF then a SG in the near future. He already has trouble guarding fast SGs. I see that only getting worse.

Ill tell you who I would love to get, Tyreke Evans. He is rumored to be available. It might mean taking on Salmons but Id do it. He has the size of a SF with the skills of a PG. We could really us his ability to slash and run the floor.

Lopez
R Evans
JJ
T Evans
D Will

[PetroNet]

The Bucks could offer a package of Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova for Smith.

Really?

Why would the Bucks do that for though? Smith wants a big market.

Do people remember this

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... aft_062011

He listed

Boston
Orlando
Houston
Brooklyn

As teams he wanted to be traded to.

People need to realize that the destination is important to him. Change Orlando to LA because playing with Howard was the reason why he wanted the Magic. So what do these teams have to offer?

Lakers already offered Gasol to Atlanta and the Hawks refused.

Boston might be a real threat if they offer Rondo. KG or Pierce isnt getting it done.

Houston can offer Asik and Parsons but I dont see them giving up on getting Dwight.

The Nets are sitting in the drivers seat. Marshon Brooks is from Atlanta and fills there need for a primary backcourt scorer. They also need a center. Send them Blatche. They would have to take on Hump or find a 3rd team to take on his contract. Add a 1st round pick and Bogdanovic and it's a done deal. IMO

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=agclss8

again, it doesnt matter where he wants to go if a team is willing to trade for him and let him walk.

the bucks would be get out from ilyasova's contract and moving a disgruntled jennings. i can see the bucks doing that if they dont get any takers for jennings elsewhere.

marhson brooks doesnt fill anyones needs. he is a terrible players. a liabilty on defense and a ball stopper with a low bbiq on offense.

i can see Bogs, 2 first rounders, blatche and an expiring from a 3rd team getting smith. but humphries is a huge negative for atlanta and brooks nothing to make that worth taking.