Trade Targets, Part Deux

[vincecarter4pres]

If these Bledsoe for Millsap rumors have any substance we are not getting anyone in trade this deadline.

Best case of Hump for Gordon and maybe a young throw in.

Eh, I'm pretty good with waiting til next year, but it is still kind of disappointing just for the simple fact of all the chatter and then nothing.

Oh well.

[Paradise]

I really don't think the Clippers will do it. Seems like a backup plan unless KG says no to them.

[vincecarter4pres]

Speedy... Sure you can call his bluff because its less optimal to be in Atlanta or Dallas or Houston than LA. But...if you are the GM...and there is a CHANCE you can lose him...and if his agent says...my client DOESNT want to be here and will walk. What do you do? You simply say...nah! Lets roll the dice? Screw Brook Lopez and picks. Screw it. No way he leaves US, our losing record, our harsh media and Kobe pimp slapping him publicly for the next two years. Absolutely NO shot...so lets just ignore him completely. We shouldnt consider a last minute deal to take 75 cents on the dollar.

E, your general point is spot on. and in 99% of normal situations I would agree with you. But in this instance, if i'm LA, i would have no issue rolling the dice on him staying in LA.

I mean, think about it. Howard was in orlando, a less desirable spot then L.A. He had an ETO. he demanded to be traded to brooklyn and only brooklyn. and what happened? not only did he not go to brooklyn, he didnt even get traded and he ended up giving up his ETO!

The guy clearly is intimidated by the process, doesnt listen to his agent, and can be manipulated by GM's. Dont get me wrong, if I'm LA, and i cant get a good deal id trade him, but I also wouldnt have a ton of fear of him leaving if it came down to it

But the guy is clearly unhappy in Los Angeles. Actually it's more then unhappy, he loathes being there.

And being that he's experienced this through his own **** ups of last year, I'm confident he's confident and he's walking from the Lakers if they don't trade him now or somehow trade Kobe, but like we've discussed here before, he has a No Trade Clause, so you have to find a destination for him that he'll approve of after that team ships out some sort of assets and contract salary filler that benefits LA.

Howard is gone. I'd bet a million dollars right now if I could. This is incredibly obvious. It's like Lebron or Bosh all over again.

LA is so arrogant they might hold onto him. But again, they aren't stupid either, I have to think they are heavily considering dealing him as we speak.

Also, I have to wonder how Buss dying is effecting all of this right now?

[vincecarter4pres]

Dude, D12 just did an ASB interview with ESPN where he said all of the right things but didn't compromise the fact that he's still a free agent.

If he wanted out badly enough, he'd pull a Melo and just flat out tell them in public and in private he's not coming back.

Or he'd pull a Kobe and just go all out in the public. He hasnt done either.

Everyone knows he doesn't like LAL but you're making it seem like he is doinh everything he can to get traded like Melo did from Denver and Kobe was threatening to do years earlier, but he's not doing that.

Yes, he's unhappy and disgruntled but he's not demanding out to the level that you're implying.

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I really don't see why he has to go all rogue in public?

If he's gone to Kupchak, if Fegan is all over the Buss's behind closed doors, if he's obviously dogging it on the court, what does it matter if he says things publicly in an interview?

All that does is **** his public media image up even more. If the front office knows his stance, well then they know his stance. He doesn't have to scream from the rooftops if he's made it known behind the scenes and the threat is real because he'll walk and he can walk.

Also, I don't know how anyone watches all these interviews like the SAS one and come to any other conclusion then, "Hey I'm gone by hook or by crook if you don't trade his douche lord Kobe and fire potato chip can man."?

[PetroNet]

If these Bledsoe for Millsap rumors have any substance we are not getting anyone in trade this deadline.

Best case of Hump for Gordon and maybe a young throw in.

Eh, I'm pretty good with waiting til next year, but it is still kind of disappointing just for the simple fact of all the chatter and then nothing.

Oh well.

blessing in disguise if we dont get millsap. we would be the ultimate treadmill team. the guy is a legit talent but i think we be a bad fit, would really be lost among all the iso and not have the elite impact needed on defense to really make us any better.

i hope its smith, gordon, or nothing

[PetroNet]

Speedy... Sure you can call his bluff because its less optimal to be in Atlanta or Dallas or Houston than LA. But...if you are the GM...and there is a CHANCE you can lose him...and if his agent says...my client DOESNT want to be here and will walk. What do you do? You simply say...nah! Lets roll the dice? Screw Brook Lopez and picks. Screw it. No way he leaves US, our losing record, our harsh media and Kobe pimp slapping him publicly for the next two years. Absolutely NO shot...so lets just ignore him completely. We shouldnt consider a last minute deal to take 75 cents on the dollar.

E, your general point is spot on. and in 99% of normal situations I would agree with you. But in this instance, if i'm LA, i would have no issue rolling the dice on him staying in LA.

I mean, think about it. Howard was in orlando, a less desirable spot then L.A. He had an ETO. he demanded to be traded to brooklyn and only brooklyn. and what happened? not only did he not go to brooklyn, he didnt even get traded and he ended up giving up his ETO!

The guy clearly is intimidated by the process, doesnt listen to his agent, and can be manipulated by GM's. Dont get me wrong, if I'm LA, and i cant get a good deal id trade him, but I also wouldnt have a ton of fear of him leaving if it came down to it

But the guy is clearly unhappy in Los Angeles. Actually it's more then unhappy, he loathes being there.

And being that he's experienced this through his own **** ups of last year, I'm confident he's confident and he's walking from the Lakers if they don't trade him now or somehow trade Kobe, but like we've discussed here before, he has a No Trade Clause, so you have to find a destination for him that he'll approve of after that team ships out some sort of assets and contract salary filler that benefits LA.

Howard is gone. I'd bet a million dollars right now if I could. This is incredibly obvious. It's like Lebron or Bosh all over again.

LA is so arrogant they might hold onto him. But again, they aren't stupid either, I have to think they are heavily considering dealing him as we speak.

Also, I have to wonder how Buss dying is effecting all of this right now?

'i think he is gone too... my point was just that it wouldnt be outrageous for the lakers to keep him and try and bully him into resigning. its alot less crazy then him not using his ETO with orlando

[N Ireland Nets]

Howard is kicking up hell to get out of LA.

Josh Smith is a hard deal to make.

Things are going to get interesting coming up to the deadline. We're now in the misinformation phase right now with lots of lies coming out from everywhere.

Howard wants out of LA. Howard wants to go to Brooklyn & has told LA he'll walk. We'll see who blinks 1st. Howard is completely dogging it in LA, he doesn't give a damn.

Howard to Brooklyn at the deadline or sign with Houston as a free agent I reckon.

Still wouldn't be surprised if our only move is Hump for Gordon but Nets want another guy off the Bobcats but I duno who, might be Taylor, Mullens or Henderson or something but I've no idea.

Got to ask ourselves who released the info on the Gordon bust up because it reduces his value & could lead to the Nets asking for another asset in the deal by sending Brooks with Hump.

There's a good chance our only deal is a smaller one like Hump for Gordon.

Under no circumstances would I trade Bogdanovic. He's averaging 50% FG, 40% 3P% & 90% FT. He's an offensive monster that we need to get over to BKN asap for more wing depth. He'd be a lotto pick in the 2013 draft.

Can't wait to see what happens though, it'll be interesting either way.

I think we will end up making the Gordon deal, because it just makes sense for both sides. Charlotte gets rid of him, while adding a rebounding 4 while still retaining a large expiring for next year. The nets clear the logjam at the 4 spot, get more minutes for mirza(hooray!) and add an explosive backup wing scorer while also still retaining that large expiring for next year. I can see maybe a small sweetener from the bobcats, a 2014 2nd rounder or something like that, but nothing crazy.

I'd be fine with that. I can roll with:

Dwill/CJ/Taylor
JJ/Gordon
Wallace/Bogans
Evans/Mirza
Brook/Blatche

i dont see the need for a major move just to make one. id be fine dealing for smith(for or crap assets) or howard in a lopez deal. but outside of that i dont need to take on boozer or milsap. again, i wouldnt be upset dealing minor assets and landing one of them, but id be fine waiting until next year and seeing what options we have or even at the draft.

if we can make the gordan deal, and then maybe trade for a marginal backup center to give us more options with blatche, id consider that a success on kings part.

I agree.

Plus Gordon is an even bigger expiring next season in which there are going to be some huge salary dumps due to the new tax burden on teams. There is going to be a fire sale across the NBA to make sure they avoid the tax. Some serious players are going to be available.

So Gordon's $13.2m is a HUGE asset next season from the draft onwards even. Add our 2013 1st round selection, a few 2nd round bought picks for stash or any player in 2nd round the Nets want.

Then you have more assets, no matter how small, to add to a massive expiring, plus Brooks etc & all our picks going forward. Depending on our draft selections, thats starting to look like a legit package to bring in a player of quality.

Hump, Brooks & our 1st this year is a rubbish package. Hump is a negative asset, he won't be a positive asset until next season. So why not get a better asset in Gordon while maybe picking up another asset because Gordon's value is in the dirt now with his bust up.

[vincecarter4pres]

Howard is kicking up hell to get out of LA.


Howard wants out of LA. Howard wants to go to Brooklyn & has told LA he'll walk. We'll see who blinks 1st. Howard is completely dogging it in LA, he doesn't give a damn.

NIN did you actually read something or do you have a link to something that leds you to say that he has actually asked out or that he is still trying to get here? I read the SAS article alleging the he told Rudy Gay he was going to be dealt to us...but I havent seen an interview or read an article that says he has asked out or said anything to indicate Bklyn.

Were you speculating like the rest of us or did I miss something?

It's speculation.

Just because Dwight shows terrible body language and attitude in front of camera doesn't mean that he's going AWOL behind the scenes.

As I said before, Dwight isn't the type of guy to actually go to Mitch Kupchak, the GM of the team that has won 17 championships and 2 within the last 4 years and say "Trade me to another team. I'm not re-signing".

Dwight can do that in ORL because they don't have the clout of the LAL franchise.

I think LAL is kinda in disbelief and denial that a superstar player actually does not want to be in LA, so they're trying to forcefully change his mind to see if he re-considers.

It's not a smart idea but if they can ensure that Dwight can't go to his #1 destination, they probably believe that he'll just resign himself to playing in LA over HOU.

So his is speculation and yours gospel?

I'm not trying to come off as a dick here, there's just a lot of irony in your words

[N Ireland Nets]

BTW listen to what SAS says here:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

Scroll back to roughly 11:52am. After a while talking Howard, SAS confirms that Howard's people have been told BKN still want him and Howard obviously wants Brooklyn.

Interesting listen, apart from the idiot phone call from some complete mong. SAS goes onto suggest Howard will leave the Lakers but doesn't know if LA deal him or not.

[N Ireland Nets]

If these Bledsoe for Millsap rumors have any substance we are not getting anyone in trade this deadline.

Best case of Hump for Gordon and maybe a young throw in.

Eh, I'm pretty good with waiting til next year, but it is still kind of disappointing just for the simple fact of all the chatter and then nothing.

Oh well.

blessing in disguise if we dont get millsap. we would be the ultimate treadmill team. the guy is a legit talent but i think we be a bad fit, would really be lost among all the iso and not have the elite impact needed on defense to really make us any better.

i hope its smith, gordon, or nothing

It all depends on who the coach is from the summer going forward. If we get a coach who goes towards a bigger pick and roll offense, Millsap fits like a glove. But also another point is, Millsap on a good contract, say 4 year $11m per, is a better asset than Hump, Brooks & a 1st. So it opens up windows to move him on in the future for another bigger target down the line as well.

You'd be gaining an asset.

[vincecarter4pres]

If these Bledsoe for Millsap rumors have any substance we are not getting anyone in trade this deadline.

Best case of Hump for Gordon and maybe a young throw in.

Eh, I'm pretty good with waiting til next year, but it is still kind of disappointing just for the simple fact of all the chatter and then nothing.

Oh well.

blessing in disguise if we dont get millsap. we would be the ultimate treadmill team. the guy is a legit talent but i think we be a bad fit, would really be lost among all the iso and not have the elite impact needed on defense to really make us any better.

i hope its smith, gordon, or nothing

I just don't agree that Millsap is a bad fit. I think he's a pretty damn good fit. And I wouldn't worry so much about iso, there is zero chance PJ is here next year unless he gets to the Finals.

But although I certainly like Millsap I am not a huge fan and don't think he's the piece that pushes us over the top by any means, so it's not the biggest loss in the world on court.

But... if he comes for something like a 1st and Brooks and whatever salary filler they work out and he re-signs for a reasonable contract, he winds up a much more valuable future trade piece then whatever you're sending out, by a landslide in fact.

When a team like the Clippers is willing to send out a chip like Bledsoe for a player they can't even start and will still have to ante up a large contract to in the offseason, who can also just walk if it came down to it... this is where you have to recognize he'd be very valuable next trade deadline locked up for 4 years if it's not an absurd deal and until you moved him, if you ever did, he provides tangible on court production, an insane upgrade from the trash we currently have.

Those are the reasons I approve of a Millsap deal.

[PetroNet]

If these Bledsoe for Millsap rumors have any substance we are not getting anyone in trade this deadline.

Best case of Hump for Gordon and maybe a young throw in.

Eh, I'm pretty good with waiting til next year, but it is still kind of disappointing just for the simple fact of all the chatter and then nothing.

Oh well.

blessing in disguise if we dont get millsap. we would be the ultimate treadmill team. the guy is a legit talent but i think we be a bad fit, would really be lost among all the iso and not have the elite impact needed on defense to really make us any better.

i hope its smith, gordon, or nothing

I just don't agree that Millsap is a bad fit. I think he's a pretty damn good fit. And I wouldn't worry so much about iso, there is zero chance PJ is here next year unless he gets to the Finals.

But although I certainly like Millsap I am not a huge fan and don't think he's the piece that pushes us over the top by any means, so it's not the biggest loss in the world on court.

But... if he comes for something like a 1st and Brooks and whatever salary filler they work out and he re-signs for a reasonable contract, he winds up a much more valuable future trade piece then whatever you're sending out, by a landslide in fact.

When a team like the Clippers is willing to send out a chip like Bledsoe for a player they can't even start and will still have to ante up a large contract to in the offseason, who can also just walk if it came down to it... this is where you have to recognize he'd be very valuable next trade deadline locked up for 4 years if it's not an absurd deal and until you moved him, if you ever did, he provides tangible on court production, an insane upgrade from the trash we currently have.

Those are the reasons I approve of a Millsap deal.

i can see that...

realsitically i dont see that deal being made either way. it doesnt look like anyone is going to give us anything for humphries, other then their own overpaid guy with 1+ remaning. it really looks like the gordon move or nothing at this point, unless something happens with dwight, which im not holding my breath for.

id really love to see us pry a draft pick from someone. i would think in what projects to be such a weak draft class we would be able to swap brooks for a first from some non-lottery team.

[N Ireland Nets]

i can see that...

realsitically i dont see that deal being made either way. it doesnt look like anyone is going to give us anything for humphries, other then their own overpaid guy with 1+ remaning. it really looks like the gordon move or nothing at this point, unless something happens with dwight, which im not holding my breath for.

id really love to see us pry a draft pick from someone. i would think in what projects to be such a weak draft class we would be able to swap brooks for a first from some non-lottery team.

Back in the day instead of wasting our cap on the likes of Outlaw, Petro etc we should've been acquiring picks exactly like the Cavs are doing, by getting teams out of holes using our cap space. Then get ready to make big moves with the acquired assets pre the move to Brooklyn, just like the Cavs are going to do for 2014 & James, with pieces to move to add really good players around Irving & James, nasty.

But back to reality, we should look to even get the Bobcats 2nd round pick in 2013 in the Hump for Gordon trade. That could end up being the 31st overall pick. I know I go on and on but I'd love for the Nets to get Lucas Nogueira "Bebe" earlier in the 2nd round. Doesn't matter that he's raw as heck right now but he is playing regular minutes in the 2nd best league in the world as a legit 7 ft big man who can defend the paint. He's be a big asset.

So in theory if we managed to swipe the 2nd rounder off the Bobcats, we could walk away from the draft with a player taking 20-24th in the 1st, 31st overall, 40-45th and 55-60th in the draft. While 2nd round picks are luck of the draw, if we walked away from the draft with 1 legit talent and 3 possible players who can contribute, we'd be doing well. Like they always say, if you don't buy a ticket....

I just want the team to somehow look to improve our assets. A straight Hump for Gordon does that, anything else is a bonus, plus we keep our pick and add another asset.

[twix2500]

I doubt you guys get Milsap, but I think the Nets are one of the few teams that Milsap fits perfectly. I think he could blossom next to Lopez and Wallace like Zach Randolph did next to Gay and Gasol.

[Jersey Generals]

Back in the day instead of wasting our cap on the likes of Outlaw, Petro etc we should've been acquiring picks exactly like the Cavs are doing, by getting teams out of holes using our cap space. Then get ready to make big moves with the acquired assets pre the move to Brooklyn, just like the Cavs are going to do for 2014 & James, with pieces to move to add really good players around Irving & James, nasty.

The beginning of the end was when King traded for Troy Murphy in what amounts to be the least successful multi-team trade in the history of the NBA. No one got better from it.

But back to reality, we should look to even get the Bobcats 2nd round pick in 2013 in the Hump for Gordon trade. That could end up being the 31st overall pick. I know I go on and on but I'd love for the Nets to get Lucas Nogueira "Bebe" earlier in the 2nd round. Doesn't matter that he's raw as heck right now but he is playing regular minutes in the 2nd best league in the world as a legit 7 ft big man who can defend the paint. He's be a big asset.

So in theory if we managed to swipe the 2nd rounder off the Bobcats, we could walk away from the draft with a player taking 20-24th in the 1st, 31st overall, 40-45th and 55-60th in the draft. While 2nd round picks are luck of the draw, if we walked away from the draft with 1 legit talent and 3 possible players who can contribute, we'd be doing well. Like they always say, if you don't buy a ticket....

I just want the team to somehow look to improve our assets. A straight Hump for Gordon does that, anything else is a bonus, plus we keep our pick and add another asset.

Man, I feel as if you've taken a class from me or something, or somehow have downloaded my thoughts. Everything you say these days is what I've been saying all this time.

[NyCeEvO]

It's speculation.

Just because Dwight shows terrible body language and attitude in front of camera doesn't mean that he's going AWOL behind the scenes.

As I said before, Dwight isn't the type of guy to actually go to Mitch Kupchak, the GM of the team that has won 17 championships and 2 within the last 4 years and say "Trade me to another team. I'm not re-signing".

Dwight can do that in ORL because they don't have the clout of the LAL franchise.

I think LAL is kinda in disbelief and denial that a superstar player actually does not want to be in LA, so they're trying to forcefully change his mind to see if he re-considers.

It's not a smart idea but if they can ensure that Dwight can't go to his #1 destination, they probably believe that he'll just resign himself to playing in LA over HOU.

So his is speculation and yours gospel?

I'm not trying to come off as a dick here, there's just a lot of irony in your words

Oh so, you were there behind closed doors when Howard and his people were telling Kupchak to trade him to the Nets?

How do we know it's true unless we are given credible facts.

We can only sit here and infer that D12 has done this, but how do we know for certain that he's done this without hard facts.

If we don't have hard facts, then it's inference and he said /she said stuff.

EDIT: Plus, you already know that I believe D12 is gone. I said that many times of late.

I'm specifically referring to the idea that he's actually forcing a trade to us before the deadline. While I like the idea, we don't know for sure if he's forcing it on his side.

Yeah, he's clearly pissed and disgruntled but if D12 has actually grown a pair and has flat out told Kupchak, "Trade me to BK or I'm going to HOU", then major kudos to him. I just don't think the evidence is great enough to suggest that he's done that yet.

I could very well be wrong, but just given D12's attitude for the last year, even this year, we haven't seen him do one "Screw you LAL" moment.

You're right that we don't have to see it in order for it to have happened, but at the same time if we don't see it, we'll never really know that it did happen.

[NyCeEvO]

I gotta admit that would be extremely funny to see LAL call D12s bluff only for him to leave and they're stuck with Kobe and Pau for almost $50mil on the cap next season lol.

[Paradise]

I gotta admit that would be extremely funny to see LAL call D12s bluff only for him to leave and they're stuck with Kobe and Pau for almost $50mil on the cap next season lol.

Honestly, if that happens. It will become the spiral of the Lakers into becoming this era's version of the Isiah/Layden Knicks.

-Dwight walks
-No cap space
-Little tradeable assets
-Kobe retiring in 2 years
-Nash ineffective
-D'antoni coaching for 3 years
-Still paying for Mike Brown's contract

[PetroNet]

I gotta admit that would be extremely funny to see LAL call D12s bluff only for him to leave and they're stuck with Kobe and Pau for almost $50mil on the cap next season lol.

Honestly, if that happens. It will become the spiral of the Lakers into becoming this era's version of the Isiah/Layden Knicks.

-Dwight walks
-No cap space
-Little tradeable assets
-Kobe retiring in 2 years
-Nash ineffective
-D'antoni coaching for 3 years
-Still paying for Mike Brown's contract

that is kind of their fate either way, and they may be better off risking it with dwight. at least if he walks they dont compound the problem adding lopez at the max. value wise its as good as they can do, but they just become locked into a treadmill team. which, for LA, isnt the best move. clear cap as soon as you can once kobe retires and just sign the next elite players

[AntwanBoldin]

Eric Bledsoe, kawhi Leonard, Brandon Jennings......

Settle in humphries, you're not going anywhere