Clippers/Jazz Trade Discussion

[mike3]

Didn't see a thread for this already. If I've missed it, feel free to delete any Mod.

Personally I don't like this at all, we better not pull this off.

I get why were looking at possibilities for Bled as we might lose him for nothing at the end of season but I'd rather take the slight chance of him sticking with us next season. It might ruin chemistry.

Not to mention I'm still dumb founded as why we'd be going after a starting PF? Millsap won't see his usual mins, DJ's progression is yet again halted and all around I just don't like it.

Share your thoughts.

[RyanStorm]

Millsap is also likely to walk away for nothing...

Millsap played most his years under Boozer, so I only see him making you better at bench PF.


Then again, a straight across the table trade won't work, Millsap's contracts worth is like 8 million and Bledsoe is less than 2 million.

So there is probably going to be a third team involved maybe 4th, who might take Millsap, and send you guys something, while we still get Bledsoe. Cause I rather get Bledsoe than nothing out of Millsap. Even still I am sure you rather get Millsap than nothing, but you would have to drop a player like Butler to take his contract.

How about this:


Jazz get Bledsoe and trade Millsap(plus more if you want Marvin, Watson and/or Bell)

Clippers get Watson and (Insert player equal to Millsap fro 3rd team) and trade Bledsoe and Butler

3rd Team gets Millsap and Butler and trades (Millsap type caliber player, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd player to you)

[RyanStorm]

This might sound bad for Jazz, but they got a hand full of younglings with contracts adding up, and they need the space. Millsaps contract will be filled up by next year(especially after our drafts come through).

With Bledsoe and Millsap, either you take him or 3rd team does. If a 3rd team does, you would need to drop a contract to bring in who ever they send you. Whether you take Millsap or another player of his caliber, you would need to give up someone like Butler.

Still I think your best deal is a straight swap for Millsap. I mean if you don't take him your likely to get less. Cause the 3rd team rather have him than Butler.

[blackham9258]

Jazz fan here:

Couple quick things. First Millsap would be a huge get for you. Bledsoe's value is going down around the league and you guys don't realize it. His stint as starter with Paul out showed a lot of warts and you lost 6 of 8. Don't get me wrong Bledsoe is an up and coming prospect but the shine is off a little is all I am saying. Value wise Bledsoe starts to lose it this off season because everyone knows they can pry him away as an unrestricted free agent after next season so this trade deadline is the only time to get something for this playoff push to show CP3 that you are serious. Even though a little of the shine is off, its not totally off but no reason to let it come off more with fewer minutes now that Billups is back.

You guys need to be trying to win a championship now to guarantee that Paul comes back. Millsap helps accomplish that big time.. your biggest weakness is a back up big who can be a starter for the 4th quarter because you will never win a championship with a big who is a free throw liability in late game situations. Deandre is great but until he gets in the gym and fixes that free throw shot he can't be on the court in the final minutes and that really hurts you in a playoff big game situation.

Millsap is young and can grow with your team and he will sign for the right price ($8M per ish) if he feels you are committed to him. Bledsoe is a luxury everyone knows you can't afford, now is the time to cash in for a playoff run. The only thing that makes CP3 think twice this off season is a 2nd round exit with no move for a deep playoff run.

The other thing to consider is, since you are losing Bledsoe in a matter of time do you really want to see San Antonio pick up Millsap or Jefferson and do what it takes to make their championship push? If they make that move and you don't how will that sit with CP3?

[Neon Black]

Great work, boys. Once we convince all the Clipper fans on realgm to do the trade, LA's front office should easily cave.

[RiversideClips]

Bledsoe is still under contract at a small salary ($2 mil) for the 13/14 season, there is no reason to HURRY up & trade him to a team for a position player we don't need, who will probably walk in June.
Bled didn't have a great strech w/ CP3 out, but most people will agree it was a learning curve for the 22 year old.
PG's & Big's 2 of the hardest positions to fill in the NBA, that's why this trade, like this is not a good one for the Clippers.

[azncorruptedo17]

Bledsoe is still under contract at a small salary ($2 mil) for the 13/14 season, there is no reason to HURRY up & trade him to a team for a position player we don't need, who will probably walk in June.

this.

To those that want EB that bad... Overpay or don't ask.

[dwolf15]

Bledsoe is still under contract at a small salary ($2 mil) for the 13/14 season, there is no reason to HURRY up & trade him to a team for a position player we don't need, who will probably walk in June.
Bled didn't have a great strech w/ CP3 out, but most people will agree it was a learning curve for the 22 year old.
PG's & Big's 2 of the hardest positions to fill in the NBA, that's why this trade, like this is not a good one for the Clippers.

I think its a great time to trade him for all the reasons you've mentioned. the jazz need a pg for the future because mo will clearly isnt the answer. They all know bledsoe is just going to get better and in his first stretch as a starter he did have shaky moments but the kid filled up the stat sheet and showed flashes of brilliance.

Plus the clips need a post player who they can throw it into and run the offense thru for stretches because thats what the playoffs are. why else would you go after old man kg ya know. While blake has improved alot in the post he still doesnt command a double like milsap can. This trade is great for both teams as long as the clips dont have to give up butler

[Kyle]

Don't really want to trade Bledsoe but if we do, Id rather get Millsap then KG. Younger, better athlete, fresher legs, etc. Idk why think Millsap is a push over, he is a 18-8 talent... would suck to only get him as a rental though, then we have a bit of a hole at backup PG unless Billups goes to the bench or VDN staggers him and CP

[dwolf15]

Don't really want to trade Bledsoe but if we do, Id rather get Millsap then KG. Younger, better athlete, fresher legs, etc. Idk why think Millsap is a push over, he is a 18-8 talent... would suck to only get him as a rental though, then we have a bit of a hole at backup PG unless Billups goes to the bench or VDN staggers him and CP

I think one season of milsap getting easy buckets from cp3 hed gladly re sign. Plus i think youd see those rebounding numbers go up because hes stuck in that big man rotation in utah with him, al, favors, and kanter in la I think its safe to say him and blake would get the big minutes especially late in the game especially when you factor in jordans ft woes

[IShotTheMaid]

Thought I'd share this made up trade to see what clipper/jazz/knick fans think.....

Knicks get: Paul Millsap.

Jazz get: Eric Bledsoe, Caron Butler, Kurt Thomas.

Clippers get: Iman Shumpert, Marcus Camby, DeMarre Carroll.


Paul Millsap would be a good fit next to Melo/Chandler. For they they give up, they get a pretty good deal.

Jazz get their PG of the future. Butler is there to match contracts, Thomas is an expiring contract.

Clippers pretty much get a bigger version of Bledsoe who can play 1-3 (the most important piece of the trade for them). Camby would be a solid backup center in limited minutes, and Carroll is added in case Barnes or Hill get injured. They could waive Turiaf or Hollins if they need to sign another backup PG.

[RiversideClips]

Are posters forgetting that Milsap will be a FA in June & he wants BIG BUCKS. I disagree that NOW is the time to trade Bledsoe for a RENTAL and the New York trade..... that is funny.

[ejftw]

Thought I'd share this made up trade to see what clipper/jazz/knick fans think.....

Knicks get: Paul Millsap.

Jazz get: Eric Bledsoe, Caron Butler, Kurt Thomas.

Clippers get: Iman Shumpert, Marcus Camby, DeMarre Carroll.


Paul Millsap would be a good fit next to Melo/Chandler. For they they give up, they get a pretty good deal.

Jazz get their PG of the future. Butler is there to match contracts, Thomas is an expiring contract.

Clippers pretty much get a bigger version of Bledsoe who can play 1-3 (the most important piece of the trade for them). Camby would be a solid backup center in limited minutes, and Carroll is added in case Barnes or Hill get injured. They could waive Turiaf or Hollins if they need to sign another backup PG.

This actually isn't that bad at all, in my opinion, though I might want to keep Butler and give up Odom instead while also getting a 2nd or two from Utah due to Lamar being an expiring and swap Carroll with Watson as Watson will be our backup point.

[azncorruptedo17]

nothx, he'd get better value next season. imagine another year of tutelage under the amazing cp3... eb has had 1 FULL off season work with CP3 & billups and we have him for cheap next year. i can only imagine the things he's capable of doing and the price we can sell him for next trade deadline...

[blackham9258]

A back up point guards' value has probably never been this high in the league. Millsap was 5th in the league last year at the all star break and was considered a snub as was Al Jefferson... Both would have been all stars by now if they didn't drag each others stats down.

Paul Millsap is huge value for Bledso, whose value is more likely to go down with time. Teams want to see what he has as a starter before they give him big bucks... his short stint as a starter has actually lowered his value. If he has another negative stint as a starter the shine will really start coming off.

On the other hand if you hold onto him and his value continues to go up... his trade value actually starts to go down... it sounds counter intuitive but the fact is.. if his value goes up because he starts to prove he will be a good starter teams will be less interested in sending something of value.. opting instead to just pay him after next season and you lose him for nothing.

Selling Bledsoe to Utah is about the best trade you can do at this point.. you won't be getting a much better player than Millsap, unless you want a young asset... but I think you guys need to start realizing that you are in a win now mode for the first time in team history... you shouldn't be looking to build for the future you should be looking to win now.

[RyanStorm]

Any team who picks up Millsap can try and get him to sign the max deal that we offered him....

Even if you pay Millsap the FA contract, he is still up there and would be your 2nd best big man. If I wasn't so into getting us a hott star in a PG, I wouldn't even bother. Clippers would be crazy not to do it, cause I don't think anyone else is this desparate for a PG to give you such a deal. Everyone else already has their PG.

Of course if you want him so bad for your future, give us Chris Paul and we will toss in Mo and Bell.

[RiversideClips]

Utah Posters are Cra-Cra and I say that in the most endearing form.
I love the fact that the Utah fans are trying to sell us on a Power Forward, we have some dude named Blake.
As far as Bled's stock going down; PG's stock really never goes down unless you suck.
Worst case scenario, Bled opts out we match any off then go for a sign & trade
RENTING Milsap is not the answer unless you throw in Hayward or one of your young guys.
Older players come to LAC now b/c of Blake & CP3, we won't need to overpay for a very good Milsap.
Utah fans, love your passion, though

[azncorruptedo17]

why don't you guys try and trade for b.knight of detroit? he's cheaper now that calderon is there.

[RyanStorm]

We don't need sell anything, if I brought up this trade a week ago, you would have laughed. But since there are actual rumors of a potential trade, I don't see why you guys can't play with the idea and figure out what you would want, cause it might become a reality very soon.

Still I rather have Millsap play the season, he is hot, and Mo is almost healed. I have spent the better half of the season deciding which draftee I want as our new PG. I think were better off trying to upgrade our draft picks than to sell Millsap for a PG that might be better than Mo.

[azncorruptedo17]

We don't need sell anything, if I brought up this trade a week ago, you would have laughed. But since there are actual rumors of a potential trade, I don't see why you guys can't play with the idea and figure out what you would want, cause it might become a reality very soon.

Still I rather have Millsap play the season, he is hot, and Mo is almost healed. I have spent the better half of the season deciding which draftee I want as our new PG. I think were better off trying to upgrade our draft picks than to sell Millsap for a PG that might be better than Mo.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=baldp38 have at it.

edit: not sure if the link works... but millsap for bknight+maxiell as a filler

you get a young PG, whose ankles might be broken from the allstar game but he'll recover. and you get an expiring in return. detroit gets an upgrade from maxiell and someone to fill until drummond gets back, not like it matters... #happybirthday