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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#881 » by enetric » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:21 am

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N Ireland Nets wrote:Howard is kicking up hell to get out of LA.


Howard wants out of LA. Howard wants to go to Brooklyn & has told LA he'll walk. We'll see who blinks 1st. Howard is completely dogging it in LA, he doesn't give a damn.



NIN did you actually read something or do you have a link to something that leds you to say that he has actually asked out or that he is still trying to get here? I read the SAS article alleging the he told Rudy Gay he was going to be dealt to us...but I havent seen an interview or read an article that says he has asked out or said anything to indicate Bklyn.

Were you speculating like the rest of us or did I miss something?

It's speculation.

Just because Dwight shows terrible body language and attitude in front of camera doesn't mean that he's going AWOL behind the scenes.

As I said before, Dwight isn't the type of guy to actually go to Mitch Kupchak, the GM of the team that has won 17 championships and 2 within the last 4 years and say "Trade me to another team. I'm not re-signing".

Dwight can do that in ORL because they don't have the clout of the LAL franchise.

I think LAL is kinda in disbelief and denial that a superstar player actually does not want to be in LA, so they're trying to forcefully change his mind to see if he re-considers.

It's not a smart idea but if they can ensure that Dwight can't go to his #1 destination, they probably believe that he'll just resign himself to playing in LA over HOU.


I think Dwight IS that type of guy. I wish we knew if he has or not. My feeling is he is listening to his agent more than last year as that last year it went so badly for him. My take is...if Dwight wants out...if he ACTUALLY wants out then he did go to his agent and Kupchack knows.

Either both sides agreed to play nice in the media...or Dwight has been led to believe by his people not to go to the press again and he is listening. Or its possible that despite being unhappy he doesnt want out.
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#882 » by enetric » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:24 am

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Is it?!

Ask Vince how long ago I told him about the drama in LA that was happening...

Like I said before, its still unlikely we do anything outside of a Hump deal currently but things are changing fast so who knows what will happen.

Fill in the rest...but Fegan and Howard are pushing this and want Brooklyn badly. Howard is using Houston and Dallas as the pressure to force a trade pre deadline. Howard doesn't care anymore, he's turned into the villain people love to hate. It's got to the stage image wise where it doesn't matter what happens, he's going to be seen as an idiot so he's going hell for leather "Kevin Love" style in LA to get what he wants.

Personal opinion: Obviously Howard wants BKN and I see Houston as the best free agent spot but if LA hold onto him past the deadline, I still find it hard to see Howard walking away from all that money in the 5th year he gets from LA. With his injuries right now he might reconsider his stance in the summer. It's a big game of bluff, who blinks first??



Yeah but see that's what I was asking. I see the terrible body language but other than the SAS article I have read nothing to go as far as you are to say...he still wants Bklyn or that we have knowledge he is PUSHING for Bklyn still. I'd like to believe it...and I can believe it...I just think you still have to say that we do NOT know for sure at this point.
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#883 » by enetric » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:26 am

NyCeEvO wrote:Dude, D12 just did an ASB interview with ESPN where he said all of the right things but didn't compromise the fact that he's still a free agent.

If he wanted out badly enough, he'd pull a Melo and just flat out tell them in public and in private he's not coming back.

Or he'd pull a Kobe and just go all out in the public. He hasnt done either.

Everyone knows he doesn't like LAL but you're making it seem like he is doinh everything he can to get traded like Melo did from Denver and Kobe was threatening to do years earlier, but he's not doing that.

Yes, he's unhappy and disgruntled but he's not demanding out to the level that you're implying.

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Yeah see I kind of have to agree with NYc on this one NIN. Not that I dont see merit....I am just looking for something more concrete before I can say like last year that he is PUSHING to be here.
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#884 » by enetric » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:33 am

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enetric wrote:Speedy... Sure you can call his bluff because its less optimal to be in Atlanta or Dallas or Houston than LA. But...if you are the GM...and there is a CHANCE you can lose him...and if his agent says...my client DOESNT want to be here and will walk. What do you do? You simply say...nah! Lets roll the dice? Screw Brook Lopez and picks. Screw it. No way he leaves US, our losing record, our harsh media and Kobe pimp slapping him publicly for the next two years. Absolutely NO shot...so lets just ignore him completely. We shouldnt consider a last minute deal to take 75 cents on the dollar.


E, your general point is spot on. and in 99% of normal situations I would agree with you. But in this instance, if i'm LA, i would have no issue rolling the dice on him staying in LA.

I mean, think about it. Howard was in orlando, a less desirable spot then L.A. He had an ETO. he demanded to be traded to brooklyn and only brooklyn. and what happened? not only did he not go to brooklyn, he didnt even get traded and he ended up giving up his ETO!

The guy clearly is intimidated by the process, doesnt listen to his agent, and can be manipulated by GM's. Dont get me wrong, if I'm LA, and i cant get a good deal id trade him, but I also wouldnt have a ton of fear of him leaving if it came down to it



I hear you. But you are forgetting something. Had Dwight NOT opted in at the last second against all logical thought, he was being traded that day. it was DONE. He didnt opt in because he was intimidated btw (not that I dont agree with your take on who he is, I do) but he opted in because he didnt want to be the bad guy with his the fans of a the only team he ever played for. He was the king of that city. With the fans. The Devos family kissing his ass and talking about him like he was family. So they get a road win and he has a crazy emotional moment with his fans and against all advice opts in.

That blew up in his face and he ends up with buyers remorse and demands out months later. It was a fiasco for him. SO my point is...if he can do all that to the team he felt loyalty to....IF...IF!!!!....he tells Kupchack I want OUT? Then yes just like Orlando would have done if they didnt get his signature on a piece of paper...I move Dwight rather than role the dice. Just too big a gamble to make when you have a credible offer in a Lopez+ package that you cant get this summer due to the new rules for S&T with teams 1 penny over the 4mil apron.
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#885 » by enetric » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:47 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:If these Bledsoe for Millsap rumors have any substance we are not getting anyone in trade this deadline.

Best case of Hump for Gordon and maybe a young throw in.

Eh, I'm pretty good with waiting til next year, but it is still kind of disappointing just for the simple fact of all the chatter and then nothing.

Oh well.



I have felt this way from the beginning. Look, without a large expiring our assets are lousy. Unless we can flip Hump for someone on a bigger, WORSE contract...why take that guy if you are another team. We both know it. He is an undesirable. Least popular player in the NBA, overpaid...little talent. He is an Eddy Curry like contract. A guy worth most in his LAST year.

For me, the best options have been Dwight last second should he push for it, or Josh Smith in a 3 way deal where there is something Ferry actually wants. I think we agree...Ferry doesnt get a decent offer he does nothing. ANd after that...I liked my crazy idea where we deal for BOTH overpaid veteran Celtics...the motivation being cash saving for them allowing us to pay less in assets. I mean..we read interested KG teams....but any Pierce ones? So if we said...we'll take both? ANd if we can turn Crash into an expiring...why not? I think that deal is doable and its one I think KG would waive his NT for.

I think we also share the same fear. that King will make a deal just to make one.
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#886 » by enetric » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:50 am

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Also, I have to wonder how Buss dying is effecting all of this right now?

I have been thinking the same thing.
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#887 » by N Ireland Nets » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:04 am

enetric wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:Dude, D12 just did an ASB interview with ESPN where he said all of the right things but didn't compromise the fact that he's still a free agent.

If he wanted out badly enough, he'd pull a Melo and just flat out tell them in public and in private he's not coming back.

Or he'd pull a Kobe and just go all out in the public. He hasnt done either.

Everyone knows he doesn't like LAL but you're making it seem like he is doinh everything he can to get traded like Melo did from Denver and Kobe was threatening to do years earlier, but he's not doing that.

Yes, he's unhappy and disgruntled but he's not demanding out to the level that you're implying.

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Yeah see I kind of have to agree with NYc on this one NIN. Not that I dont see merit....I am just looking for something more concrete before I can say like last year that he is PUSHING to be here.


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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#888 » by PetroNet » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:06 am

enetric wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:If these Bledsoe for Millsap rumors have any substance we are not getting anyone in trade this deadline.

Best case of Hump for Gordon and maybe a young throw in.

Eh, I'm pretty good with waiting til next year, but it is still kind of disappointing just for the simple fact of all the chatter and then nothing.

Oh well.



I have felt this way from the beginning. Look, without a large expiring our assets are lousy. Unless we can flip Hump for someone on a bigger, WORSE contract...why take that guy if you are another team. We both know it. He is an undesirable. Least popular player in the NBA, overpaid...little talent. He is an Eddy Curry like contract. A guy worth most in his LAST year.

For me, the best options have been Dwight last second should he push for it, or Josh Smith in a 3 way deal where there is something Ferry actually wants. I think we agree...Ferry doesnt get a decent offer he does nothing. ANd after that...I liked my crazy idea where we deal for BOTH overpaid veteran Celtics...the motivation being cash saving for them allowing us to pay less in assets. I mean..we read interested KG teams....but any Pierce ones? So if we said...we'll take both? ANd if we can turn Crash into an expiring...why not? I think that deal is doable and its one I think KG would waive his NT for.

I think we also share the same fear. that King will make a deal just to make one.


we have ZERO chance to get one of pierce/KG, let alone both
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#889 » by Paradise » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:47 am

WOJNAROWSKI: NETS, AMONG OTHER TEAMS, "INVOLVED" FOR PF JOSH SMITH

According to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports, the Nets are "involved" for Atlanta's Josh Smith. He lists the Bucks, Celtics, 76ers, and Wizards as other teams in the mix. The Nets would almost certainly need a 3rd team to entice the Hawks to move Smith, sources say. Reports earlier this month said the Hawks have more interest in MarShon Brooks, and not so much interest in Kris Humphries. Danny Ferry, Hawks GM, initially asked for Brooks in the Joe Johnson trade this past summer. The NBA Trade Deadline is on Thursday, February 21st.


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Post#890 » by AntwanBoldin » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:08 am

If you were eating a sandwich Id ask you for it but it doesnt mean Id trade you josh smith for the sandwich
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#891 » by Paradise » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:14 am

Even if getting Smith doesn't happen, we could still make out well with Atlanta by getting Korver and Morrow for Brooks.
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Post#892 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:40 am

Salaries don't match and Morrow can't be reacquired per CBA rules.
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#893 » by PetroNet » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:48 pm

really warming up to the ben gordon trade. Would love to have a 3 point sniper at the 2 spot and someone we can go 3 gaurd lineup with who can spot up and consistently hit that shot. also can really get hot and score in bunches... defenses have to account for him when he is on the floor. was watching some youtube vids of him this morning, and even the past couple years he has had some insane hot streaks. could be our instant offense guy when we go stale on offense.

He also seems to be much more of a willing passer then i remember, even when he is on fire and not missing shots, he seems to pass to open teammates... granted this is just going by game videos of 10-15 games from the past year or so, but reputation wise i thought he was more of a black hole. but i love that he can shoot off the catch from a standstill, off the catch coming off a screen, and off the dribble.

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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#894 » by ShowTimeERA » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:23 pm

I come in peace, not bait or troll attempt...Just wanted to shed some light from a long time LA fan's perspective...

First things first, who knows what Dwight will actually do or not do. It seems as if he changes his mind by the minute. What I can tell you is that Dwight has not expressed any desire to Mitch to be traded nor has his agent done so. Perhaps, Dwight still prefers BK but that's not possible on his end without LA's approval unless he's willing to take the Mini-MLE.

Now, Dwight's health is a major factor. He's far from healthy as far as his back goes and he's headed for surgery as soon as the season is over (6 Months recoup). Dwight has spoken numerous times about how his recent setbacks have spooked him a bit as far as his career goes. Does he give up the guaranteed 5th year? If you were a no state tax such as Dallas, then I'd be inclined to believe that he wouldn't care about the extra money.

Next, LA has plans for a complete rebuild (hopefully with Dwight still around) during the summer of 2014. Everyone is off the books except Dwight, if he resigns, and Steve Nash who I believe will retire after next reason. So for argument sakes, Lets just say Dwight. LA has enough to sign 2 max free agents or possibly wait until 2015 where they can pair Dwight with Kevin Love and Rajon Rondo. Losing Dwight is NOT the end of the world as many of you make it seem. Worst case scenario is Kobe Bryant playing for a lottery team in his final year. Does Kobe ask for a trade then? IMO, teams would be more inclined to give up expiring assets and picks for a 1 year 30M rental of Kobe. Then wait until 2014 or 2015 to rebuild. Remember LA still has there 2014 pick, so being a bottom feeder wouldn't be a bad thing.

Then you have the notion that LA would take Brook Lopez. I am positive LA will not take on his contract which would ruin their 14 or 15 plans. If LA were to ship Dwight to BK, a 3-team trade would be the only possibly route.

Now we get back to LA who is 3 games behind the 8th seed in the L column. Who's to say they don't make a run and sway Dwight's decision...This season has been derailed mostly because of injuries and coaching changes.

One thing which is certain is that Dwight won't be demanding anything here in LA. Ask Shaq, Ariza, and Odom how that went. Also add the fact that Dwight has already confirmed that Mitch told him they are not trading him. That was the perfect time for Dwight to state that he wanted out, in which he didn't. Possibly, Dwight still wants to stay in LA.

All in all, these next few days and possibly months will be interesting...
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Post#895 » by PetroNet » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:47 pm

ShowTimeERA wrote:First things first, who knows what Dwight will actually do or not do. It seems as if he changes his mind by the minute. What I can tell you is that Dwight has not expressed any desire to Mitch to be traded nor has his agent done so. Perhaps, Dwight still prefers BK but that's not possible on his end without LA's approval unless he's willing to take the Mini-MLE.


i dont think anyone really puts any stock into what dwight has said, hasnt said, or is rumored to have said. It is clear he is a mental midget who just wants to be liked and go where he wants to go without being crucified for it. its why he was so easily convinced to waive his ETO even with his agent begging him not to, losing any leverage he had of getting to where he wanted to be,

I dont know what dwight or fegan have discussed, demanded, or asked of the lakers front office. but it is largerly irrelevant. all that really matters is whether or not dwight will resign, and how much confidence the lakers have in him resigning. regardless of howards demands, if the lakers think they can strong arm him they would keep him around and roll the dice. likewise, if they think he bolts they make a deal with someone.
Now, Dwight's health is a major factor. He's far from healthy as far as his back goes and he's headed for surgery as soon as the season is over (6 Months recoup). Dwight has spoken numerous times about how his recent setbacks have spooked him a bit as far as his career goes. Does he give up the guaranteed 5th year? If you were a no state tax such as Dallas, then I'd be inclined to believe that he wouldn't care about the extra money.


I dont think health or the 5th year are major factors. they are factors, but i dont think they are destination changing factors. if howard wants to leave, he obviously would prefer to be dealt to get the extra year. but i dont think him not being dealt would prevent him from signing elsewhere if thats where he wanted to be. but that is just my speculation.
Next, LA has plans for a complete rebuild (hopefully with Dwight still around) during the summer of 2014. Everyone is off the books except Dwight, if he resigns, and Steve Nash who I believe will retire after next reason. So for argument sakes, Lets just say Dwight. LA has enough to sign 2 max free agents or possibly wait until 2015 where they can pair Dwight with Kevin Love and Rajon Rondo. Losing Dwight is NOT the end of the world as many of you make it seem. Worst case scenario is Kobe Bryant playing for a lottery team in his final year. Does Kobe ask for a trade then? IMO, teams would be more inclined to give up expiring assets and picks for a 1 year 30M rental of Kobe. Then wait until 2014 or 2015 to rebuild. Remember LA still has there 2014 pick, so being a bottom feeder wouldn't be a bad thing.


that is all kind of irrelevant to nets fans. we really dont care what the lakers do or if they are good, great, average, or bad. its LA, so im sure they figure it out regardless with at worse a couple down years. but as nets fans, we could care less about their success or rebuild/retool
Then you have the notion that LA would take Brook Lopez. I am positive LA will not take on his contract which would ruin their 14 or 15 plans. If LA were to ship Dwight to BK, a 3-team trade would be the only possibly route.


Well, at this point, fans are probably split 40/60 on whether we would even want dwight for lopez straight up, as lopez has balled out this year and is healthier. from all indications management would make the deal, but not after really thinking hard about it and wavering a bit. its no longer a deal we have to make where we are sitting here with dwill a pending free agent and only 2 players under contract. we have a team now, and a lopez is playing well. the desperation to get howard isnt there now.
Now we get back to LA who is 3 games behind the 8th seed in the L column. Who's to say they don't make a run and sway Dwight's decision...This season has been derailed mostly because of injuries and coaching changes.

One thing which is certain is that Dwight won't be demanding anything here in LA. Ask Shaq, Ariza, and Odom how that went. Also add the fact that Dwight has already confirmed that Mitch told him they are not trading him. That was the perfect time for Dwight to state that he wanted out, in which he didn't. Possibly, Dwight still wants to stay in LA.


i dont think wins/losses/success is a priorty for dwight as far as staying in LA. maybe if they somehow got to the finals or won a chip. short of that, i think he wants to go where he wants to go. honestly, i think houston or dallas would be a great fit for him. i dont think he is meant to be in a major media market that will hound him 24/7. and its my biggest concern if he ever ended up here

All in all, these next few days and possibly months will be interesting...


honestly, im over it. been through too many dwightmares already, and really, am no longer even following those rumors where the past every few hours id be searching for news. im actually hoping we make a move for josh smith instead of dwight. i think he would help us more and doesnt have the injury concerns
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#896 » by ShowTimeERA » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:59 pm

In reality, to those who want Dwight in BK should be somewhat alert of LA's future. Here's why? Losing Dwight doesn't mean as much as many want to make it seem. This isn't Orlando where LA is "terrified" to lose their star free agent. No big deal, they sign 3 max agents within the next 2 years. There is very little pressure on LA's end to make a trade. Many seem to be forgetting that trading Andrew for Dwight was a blessing in its own. If that trade never occurred, Andrew would have been signed to a new 5 year deal and he would have played zero minutes thus far. The trade was a blessing in disguise, not to mention Earl Clark was a filler who had been the lone bright spot this season.

Also LA can still S&T him at the end of the season to a team with capspace as long as they don't take back additional salary since they are over the luxury tax limit...
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Post#897 » by DWILLoftheGODZ » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:13 pm

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If we get Josh Smith we can change the the Marketing from

Brooklyn Backcourt


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Nice (Lopez) & Smoove (Smith)
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Post#898 » by PetroNet » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:34 pm

ShowTimeERA wrote:In reality, to those who want Dwight in BK should be somewhat alert of LA's future. Here's why? Losing Dwight doesn't mean as much as many want to make it seem. This isn't Orlando where LA is "terrified" to lose their star free agent. No big deal, they sign 3 max agents within the next 2 years. There is very little pressure on LA's end to make a trade. Many seem to be forgetting that trading Andrew for Dwight was a blessing in its own. If that trade never occurred, Andrew would have been signed to a new 5 year deal and he would have played zero minutes thus far. The trade was a blessing in disguise, not to mention Earl Clark was a filler who had been the lone bright spot this season.


Again, i dont really see your point. obviously, if LA is willing to let him walk, then he can't be traded here as we are already over the luxury tax. If the lakers think they can resign him, they will call his bluff and make him prove he will walk, and if he does, not a horrible crippling move. if they dont think they can sign him, they will trade him. im not sure how anything is changed based on the lakers winning or not or their future.
Also LA can still S&T him at the end of the season to a team with capspace as long as they don't take back additional salary since they are over the luxury tax limit...


again, i dont see the relevance as far as the nets go. either he is traded here by thursday or the nets are out of the picture. not really sure how trading dwight at seasons end pertains to brooklyn at all.
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Post#899 » by PetroNet » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:36 pm

DWILLoftheGODZ wrote:Image

If we get Josh Smith we can change the the Marketing from

Brooklyn Backcourt


to

Nice (Lopez) & Smoove (Smith)


i know its unlikely and we'd be locked into that squad but im still really hoping we find a way to get smith here or he demands to come here and only here. would love to see his athleticism and defense infused into this squad, even if it does come with boneheaded plays...

i mean hell, blatche makes 10 times the boneheaded plays and brings 1/4 of what josh wold bring and everyone seems to love him
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Re: Trade Targets, Part Deux 

Post#900 » by DWILLoftheGODZ » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:01 pm

Billy King is playing with fire if he doesnt make a trade. He is a lame duck GM and needs to make a move to save his job. Id be very surprised if he sits on his hands and does nothing.

With games on Tuesday and Wednesday, today would be the day to make a move. With the Nets luck, Hump will get hurt in one of these games and ruin any potential trades.

Josh Smith should be the number 1 priority

It doesnt seem like we can make a move for Millsap.

Illyasova should be the number 2 target

Boozer seems like the worse case scenario. He is like Reggie Evans with offense.

Others to keep an eye on are Kirilenko, Granger and B Gordon.

Make it happen.

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