Trade Targets, Part Deux

[PetroNet]

Billy King is playing with fire if he doesnt make a trade. He is a lame duck GM and needs to make a move to save his job. Id be very surprised if he sits on his hands and does nothing.

With games on Tuesday and Wednesday, today would be the day to make a move. With the Nets luck, Hump will get hurt in one of these games and ruin any potential trades.

Josh Smith should be the number 1 priority

It doesnt seem like we can make a move for Millsap.

Illyasova should be the number 2 target

Boozer seems like the worse case scenario. He is like Reggie Evans with offense.

Others to keep an eye on are Kirilenko, Granger and B Gordon.

Make it happen.

trading for ilyasova would be an enormous disaster of a trade. not only does he not help much as far as wins and losses go, but his contract is awful and would remove the large expiring contract asset for next season that would allow us to actually add a talented player or a pick.

id much much rather have boozer. he would have 2 years left on his deal and would be a large expiring himslef after that. 4 years of ilyasova locks us into this team for the foreseable future, and that team we would be locked into would not be contenders with out an enormous leap out of dwill and lopez. its really the worst move we could possibly make.

i dont want granger, i dont want us to play small the majority of the time. kirelenko cant opt out this year, id gamble on that over trading for him. is be happy with a hump for gordon swap

[dwolf15]

Billy King is playing with fire if he doesnt make a trade. He is a lame duck GM and needs to make a move to save his job. Id be very surprised if he sits on his hands and does nothing.

With games on Tuesday and Wednesday, today would be the day to make a move. With the Nets luck, Hump will get hurt in one of these games and ruin any potential trades.

Josh Smith should be the number 1 priority

It doesnt seem like we can make a move for Millsap.

Illyasova should be the number 2 target

Boozer seems like the worse case scenario. He is like Reggie Evans with offense.

Others to keep an eye on are Kirilenko, Granger and B Gordon.

Make it happen.

My only problem with josh smith if you pair him with d will and joe hed be lost because he wants the ball and he wants to be the guy but those other two really need the ball to be good especially joe.

pair booz with d will again hes never wanted to be that guy and hes better in the pick and roll and especially pick and pop than smith could ever be

[PetroNet]

Billy King is playing with fire if he doesnt make a trade. He is a lame duck GM and needs to make a move to save his job. Id be very surprised if he sits on his hands and does nothing.

With games on Tuesday and Wednesday, today would be the day to make a move. With the Nets luck, Hump will get hurt in one of these games and ruin any potential trades.

Josh Smith should be the number 1 priority

It doesnt seem like we can make a move for Millsap.

Illyasova should be the number 2 target

Boozer seems like the worse case scenario. He is like Reggie Evans with offense.

Others to keep an eye on are Kirilenko, Granger and B Gordon.

Make it happen.

My only problem with josh smith if you pair him with d will and joe hed be lost because he wants the ball and he wants to be the guy but those other two really need the ball to be good especially joe.

pair booz with d will again hes never wanted to be that guy and hes better in the pick and roll and especially pick and pop than smith could ever be

i really dont care about offense. if smith doesnt get his shots, his FG% suffers and he makes a ton of awful plays and turns it over it would be immensely overshadowed by the enormous impact he would have here defensively.

people really dismiss our defensive issues here. its insane. we are by far the worst defensive team of anyone slotted to make the playoffs. and our pick and roll defense is embarassing and exploited on a daily basis. yet somehow not having enough spacing on offense overshadows this.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Billy King is playing with fire if he doesnt make a trade. He is a lame duck GM and needs to make a move to save his job. Id be very surprised if he sits on his hands and does nothing.

With games on Tuesday and Wednesday, today would be the day to make a move. With the Nets luck, Hump will get hurt in one of these games and ruin any potential trades.

Josh Smith should be the number 1 priority

It doesnt seem like we can make a move for Millsap.

Illyasova should be the number 2 target

Boozer seems like the worse case scenario. He is like Reggie Evans with offense.

Others to keep an eye on are Kirilenko, Granger and B Gordon.

Make it happen.

trading for ilyasova would be an enormous disaster of a trade. not only does he not help much as far as wins and losses go, but his contract is awful and would remove the large expiring contract asset for next season that would allow us to actually add a talented player or a pick.

id much much rather have boozer. he would have 2 years left on his deal and would be a large expiring himslef after that. 4 years of ilyasova locks us into this team for the foreseable future, and that team we would be locked into would not be contenders with out an enormous leap out of dwill and lopez. its really the worst move we could possibly make.

i dont want granger, i dont want us to play small the majority of the time. kirelenko cant opt out this year, id gamble on that over trading for him. is be happy with a hump for gordon swap

Illy is a very good fit on this team. He is a Ryan Anderson clone, he just takes alot less shots. He is a pretty good rebounder and he is lights out from 3pt range. He was 2nd in the NBA last year at 45.5% 3pt. After a slow start this year, he is shooting 44% 3pt. Id take him over both Boozer and Millsap. Boozer and Millsap would just be another mouth looking to be fed offensively. Illy would fit in nicely as the 4th option.

Illy only has 3 years after this one guaranteed and he will be alot cheaper then Millsap and Boozer.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Billy King is playing with fire if he doesnt make a trade. He is a lame duck GM and needs to make a move to save his job. Id be very surprised if he sits on his hands and does nothing.

With games on Tuesday and Wednesday, today would be the day to make a move. With the Nets luck, Hump will get hurt in one of these games and ruin any potential trades.

Josh Smith should be the number 1 priority

It doesnt seem like we can make a move for Millsap.

Illyasova should be the number 2 target

Boozer seems like the worse case scenario. He is like Reggie Evans with offense.

Others to keep an eye on are Kirilenko, Granger and B Gordon.

Make it happen.

My only problem with josh smith if you pair him with d will and joe hed be lost because he wants the ball and he wants to be the guy but those other two really need the ball to be good especially joe.

pair booz with d will again hes never wanted to be that guy and hes better in the pick and roll and especially pick and pop than smith could ever be

I can see how you would feel that way about Josh Snith but Boozer would be an ever bigger problem. Boozer is that good when he isnt scoring. Smith can be dominate and mot score a point.

I dont think we should continue to build this team around DWill. Lopez is by far the better player. We should building the team around his strengths and weaknesses. Smith is by far a better compliment to Lopez then Millsap or Boozer.

[PetroNet]

Illy is a very good fit on this team. He is a Ryan Anderson clone, he just takes alot less shots. He is a pretty good rebounder and he is lights out from 3pt range. He was 2nd in the NBA last year at 45.5% 3pt. After a slow start this year, he is shooting 44% 3pt. Id take him over both Boozer and Millsap. Boozer and Millsap would just be another mouth looking to be fed offensively. Illy would fit in nicely as the 4th option.

he is a horrible fit... as would ryan anderson be a horrible fit. because neither of them would do anything to help our defensive issues, which are going to and have been killing us to this point. We can get by offensively. we have talent. we can add shooters cheap. we need defense. especiallly at the 4 spot, and especially against the pick and roll. milsap, who i dont even like, would be a million times better for us. as would boozer, who isnt even that good defensively himself

Illy only has 3 years after this one guaranteed and he will be alot cheaper then Millsap and Boozer.

"only" 3 years? thats quite a long time. and cheaper is irrelevant. with any 3 of those guys we are WAY over the luxury tax, so whether we play them 8 millon per or 15 million per doesnt matter. on the flip side, years absolutely DO matter. the quicker we get out under those contracts or they become expirings the better.

ilyasova would be a disaster trade, unless we are sending gerald wallace contract out

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Illy is a very good fit on this team. He is a Ryan Anderson clone, he just takes alot less shots. He is a pretty good rebounder and he is lights out from 3pt range. He was 2nd in the NBA last year at 45.5% 3pt. After a slow start this year, he is shooting 44% 3pt. Id take him over both Boozer and Millsap. Boozer and Millsap would just be another mouth looking to be fed offensively. Illy would fit in nicely as the 4th option.

he is a horrible fit... as would ryan anderson be a horrible fit. because neither of them would do anything to help our defensive issues, which are going to and have been killing us to this point. We can get by offensively. we have talent. we can add shooters cheap. we need defense. especiallly at the 4 spot, and especially against the pick and roll. milsap, who i dont even like, would be a million times better for us. as would boozer, who isnt even that good defensively himself

Illy only has 3 years after this one guaranteed and he will be alot cheaper then Millsap and Boozer.

"only" 3 years? thats quite a long time. and cheaper is irrelevant. with any 3 of those guys we are WAY over the luxury tax, so whether we play them 8 millon per or 15 million per doesnt matter. on the flip side, years absolutely DO matter. the quicker we get out under those contracts or they become expirings the better.

ilyasova would be a disaster trade, unless we are sending gerald wallace contract out

And Boozer or Millsap are the answer defensively? I dont think so. If the Nets arent going to go defensively at PF then they will likely go with a floor spacer. Id rather take Illy since his range goes out to 3pt range as opposed to Millsap and Boozer taking the worse shot in basketball, the long 2 pointer.

[Keith Van Horn]

How about this one out of left field...

Brooklyn gets Howard
LA Clippers get Lopez
LA Lakers get Bledsoe, D. Jordan

[PetroNet]

And Boozer or Millsap are the answer defensively? I dont think so. If the Nets arent going to go defensively at PF then they will likely go with a floor spacer. Id rather take Illy since his range goes out to 3pt range as opposed to Millsap and Boozer taking the worse shot in basketball, the long 2 pointer.

Millsap is a very good defender, one of the best defending the pick and roll at the PF position(better even then josh smith in that regard) and light years better defensively then ilyasova.

boozer isnt the answer defensively, and i dont really want him, but he would be better then ilyasova because his contract isnt as long and he is a better player, vocal, competitive and somewhat of a leader.

again, im not in love with boozer, but he wouldnt be as horrible as ilyasova.

if all we need is a floor spacer then we could do it for a hell of alot less then 4 years @ 40 million for one.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

And Boozer or Millsap are the answer defensively? I dont think so. If the Nets arent going to go defensively at PF then they will likely go with a floor spacer. Id rather take Illy since his range goes out to 3pt range as opposed to Millsap and Boozer taking the worse shot in basketball, the long 2 pointer.

Millsap is a very good defender, one of the best defending the pick and roll at the PF position(better even then josh smith in that regard) and light years better defensively then ilyasova.

boozer isnt the answer defensively, and i dont really want him, but he would be better then ilyasova because his contract isnt as long and he is a better player, vocal, competitive and somewhat of a leader.

again, im not in love with boozer, but he wouldnt be as horrible as ilyasova.

if all we need is a floor spacer then we could do it for a hell of alot less then 4 years @ 40 million for one.

Millsap is good at defending pick and roll because he is one of the worse at defending one on one in the post. If we are going to go with a 6'7" PF we can just go with Wallace. And Millsap is not on the same planet as Smith when it comes to defense. Smith takes on the hardest defensive assignment on a nightly basis. Millsap gets hidden on defense when Favors plays with him.

Boozer is a better player then Illyasova but he is much older and has come up short in big games.

I would rank them as follows as fits for our team
1. Smith - Max him out. Who cares? he puts us among the top teams
2. Illyasova - Nets need a 3pt sniper and he rebounds. only $7.9 mil
3. Boozer- Over $15 mil per year
4. Millsap - Not a difference maker. Brandon Bass 2.0 only for 3x the price

[N Ireland Nets]

In reality, to those who want Dwight in BK should be somewhat alert of LA's future. Here's why? Losing Dwight doesn't mean as much as many want to make it seem. This isn't Orlando where LA is "terrified" to lose their star free agent. No big deal, they sign 3 max agents within the next 2 years. There is very little pressure on LA's end to make a trade. Many seem to be forgetting that trading Andrew for Dwight was a blessing in its own. If that trade never occurred, Andrew would have been signed to a new 5 year deal and he would have played zero minutes thus far. The trade was a blessing in disguise, not to mention Earl Clark was a filler who had been the lone bright spot this season.

Also LA can still S&T him at the end of the season to a team with capspace as long as they don't take back additional salary since they are over the luxury tax limit...

The whole plan about all your cap space was to use a superstar in Howard to attract other superstars to LA with max cap room available.

Tell me, if Howard walks, who is LA attracting to play for the Lakers in 2014?

James is going to stay with Miami or go to Cleveland to play with Irving. Without Howard LA are screwed because they have nothing but cap space. What top tier superstar in 2014 is going to leave the situation they are in to go sign for the Lakers.

Your probably thinking Love, but Love will be dealt by the Timberwolves before he is a free agent to a destination he will end up re-signing for. So what assets would LA give to get a Kevin Love type? They have nothing to give.

The Lakers would rely on pitching to the likes of James etc but with nobody at all on the roster, how exactly is that attractive at all?

The Lakers are completely delusional if they believe they will be fine if Howard walks.

[PetroNet]

Millsap is good at defending pick and roll because he is one of the worse at defending one on one in the post. If we are going to go with a 6'7" PF we can just go with Wallace. And Millsap is not on the same planet as Smith when it comes to defense. Smith takes on the hardest defensive assignment on a nightly basis. Millsap gets hidden on defense when Favors plays with him.

millsap is a very good defender. not just in the pick and roll either. i mean, your not shutting down carmello or lebron with him 1 on 1, but he is still a very good defender. certainly better then gerald wallace, especailly in the half court. he isnt josh smith, no, but he is leaps and bounds better then ilyasova. not to mention better the ilya on offense as well.

Boozer is a better player then Illyasova but he is much older and has come up short in big games.

who cares if he is old? its not like we are relying on him to be good for the next 5-6 seasons or building our team around him. and ill take not pl;aying well in big games vs. having never played in a big game

I would rank them as follows as fits for our team
1. Smith - Max him out. Who cares? he puts us among the top teams

agreed

2. Illyasova - Nets need a 3pt sniper and he rebounds. only $7.9 mil

"only" 8 million? read that back to yourself a few times. he has a worse contract then travis outlaw had. and travis outlaw had an awful contract. this would make me as infuriated as i was when we traded a lotto pick for a 16 game rental of gerald wallace

3. Boozer- Over $15 mil per year

it would be very tough to swallow, but i wouldnt be pissed.

4. Millsap - Not a difference maker. Brandon Bass 2.0 only for 3x the price

if all it costs is our crap assets, id be good with this. im not super high on him, but he is leaps and bounds better then boozer or ilyasova

ilyasova would lock us into being a 4-6 seed for the next 5 years, and if anyone got hurt we would be enormously screwed. we would be better off just giving the tax payers mle to a stretch 4 or trying to develop mirza.

[PetroNet]

In reality, to those who want Dwight in BK should be somewhat alert of LA's future. Here's why? Losing Dwight doesn't mean as much as many want to make it seem. This isn't Orlando where LA is "terrified" to lose their star free agent. No big deal, they sign 3 max agents within the next 2 years. There is very little pressure on LA's end to make a trade. Many seem to be forgetting that trading Andrew for Dwight was a blessing in its own. If that trade never occurred, Andrew would have been signed to a new 5 year deal and he would have played zero minutes thus far. The trade was a blessing in disguise, not to mention Earl Clark was a filler who had been the lone bright spot this season.

Also LA can still S&T him at the end of the season to a team with capspace as long as they don't take back additional salary since they are over the luxury tax limit...

The whole plan about all your cap space was to use a superstar in Howard to attract other superstars to LA with max cap room available.

Tell me, if Howard walks, who is LA attracting to play for the Lakers in 2014?

James is going to stay with Miami or go to Cleveland to play with Irving. Without Howard LA are screwed because they have nothing but cap space. What top tier superstar in 2014 is going to leave the situation they are in to go sign for the Lakers.

Your probably thinking Love, but Love will be dealt by the Timberwolves before he is a free agent to a destination he will end up re-signing for. So what assets would LA give to get a Kevin Love type? They have nothing to give.

The Lakers would rely on pitching to the likes of James etc but with nobody at all on the roster, how exactly is that attractive at all?

The Lakers are completely delusional if they believe they will be fine if Howard walks.

i think you are the delusional one who thinks the lakers need prime stars to attract free agents. its the most desired destination in the sport, and its not even close with any other franchise or any other location. they will get stars to sigh their either way. they will get guys like love to demand a trade saying they will only resign with LA. they dont need howard to lure FA's.

[N Ireland Nets]

Anyone who thinks Josh Smith is worth $94m over 5 years is completely nuts.

Nearly every team interested in Smith has better assets than us to offer for a potential Smith trade. I highly doubt it happens. I still say Gordon & pieces is the only real deal that could happen for us outside of Howard becoming available.

[N Ireland Nets]

In reality, to those who want Dwight in BK should be somewhat alert of LA's future. Here's why? Losing Dwight doesn't mean as much as many want to make it seem. This isn't Orlando where LA is "terrified" to lose their star free agent. No big deal, they sign 3 max agents within the next 2 years. There is very little pressure on LA's end to make a trade. Many seem to be forgetting that trading Andrew for Dwight was a blessing in its own. If that trade never occurred, Andrew would have been signed to a new 5 year deal and he would have played zero minutes thus far. The trade was a blessing in disguise, not to mention Earl Clark was a filler who had been the lone bright spot this season.

Also LA can still S&T him at the end of the season to a team with capspace as long as they don't take back additional salary since they are over the luxury tax limit...

The whole plan about all your cap space was to use a superstar in Howard to attract other superstars to LA with max cap room available.

Tell me, if Howard walks, who is LA attracting to play for the Lakers in 2014?

James is going to stay with Miami or go to Cleveland to play with Irving. Without Howard LA are screwed because they have nothing but cap space. What top tier superstar in 2014 is going to leave the situation they are in to go sign for the Lakers.

Your probably thinking Love, but Love will be dealt by the Timberwolves before he is a free agent to a destination he will end up re-signing for. So what assets would LA give to get a Kevin Love type? They have nothing to give.

The Lakers would rely on pitching to the likes of James etc but with nobody at all on the roster, how exactly is that attractive at all?

The Lakers are completely delusional if they believe they will be fine if Howard walks.

i think you are the delusional one who thinks the lakers need prime stars to attract free agents. its the most desired destination in the sport, and its not even close with any other franchise or any other location. they will get stars to sigh their either way. they will get guys like love to demand a trade saying they will only resign with LA. they dont need howard to lure FA's.

Are you being serious?

So you honestly believe LeBron James would go to LA over staying with the Heat or joining another superstar in Cleveland?

LA would have absolutely nobody on their roster. Why would stars go there?

The Lakers plan was to go get Lebron to partner Howard so if Howard walks who is going to sign in 2014 that makes LA into a contender again???

How is that delusional?

The Celtics we're awful for a long time and nobody wanted to go there at all. Even KG wouldn't agree to a trade until another star was traded for at the same time as him and hence the Allen trade.

2014 FA: Lowry, James, Melo, Gay, Granger, Bosh, ZBO, Gortat & Bogut with most of them apart from Lowry, Gortat & Lowry being options of early termination deals so they aren't definitely free agents in 2014.

[PetroNet]

Anyone who thinks Josh Smith is worth $94m over 5 years is completely nuts.

Nearly every team interested in Smith has better assets than us to offer for a potential Smith trade. I highly doubt it happens. I still say Gordon & pieces is the only real deal that could happen for us outside of Howard becoming available.

id max out smith in a heartbeat. it would be one thing if we had 20 million in cap room and used it all up on smith and thus couldnt allocate it elsewhere. we arent in that situation. we are over the tax and have no means to add a free agent for the next 3-5 years. thus adding smith is an obvious move you make if you have any chance to do it. you overpay him 4-5 million per year. great, its better then paying scrubs what they deserve at the league minimum. plus smith is the perfect fit for all that ails us, and would make an enormous difference defensively.

i agree, we wont get him, because no one is shipping out and expiring for humphries. but if we could i give him the max in a split second. hell if we didnt he wouldnt even be one of our 3 worst contracts!

[therealbig3]

Shocking that a guy who thinks our biggest problem is leadership thinks it's ok to MAX out Josh Smith for 5 years.

This dude has been a pretty big on court and off court cancer for the last few years, and he's just a low BBIQ player in general. Pretty sure we have enough of those on this team.

[N Ireland Nets]

Anyone who thinks Josh Smith is worth $94m over 5 years is completely nuts.

Nearly every team interested in Smith has better assets than us to offer for a potential Smith trade. I highly doubt it happens. I still say Gordon & pieces is the only real deal that could happen for us outside of Howard becoming available.

id max out smith in a heartbeat. it would be one thing if we had 20 million in cap room and used it all up on smith and thus couldnt allocate it elsewhere. we arent in that situation. we are over the tax and have no means to add a free agent for the next 3-5 years. thus adding smith is an obvious move you make if you have any chance to do it. you overpay him 4-5 million per year. great, its better then paying scrubs what they deserve at the league minimum. plus smith is the perfect fit for all that ails us, and would make an enormous difference defensively.

i agree, we wont get him, because no one is shipping out and expiring for humphries. but if we could i give him the max in a split second. hell if we didnt he wouldnt even be one of our 3 worst contracts!

But potentially Smith could be the only person on our roster in 2016/17 with a $20m+ contract which is crazy. Obviously that would be the 4th year of Smith's deal where he would be 31, he'd be 32 in his final year in 2017/18 when he would be again high into the $20m range.

Currently as it stands the team could have absolutely nobody on the roster in 2016 for a very good free agent class. Smith would be a nightmare contract to take on because if D Will doesn't opt out of his final year we'd have over $45m already tied up in cap which means no max contract would be available to sign anyone.

Long term, Josh Smith is a complete nightmare signing and would be so short sighted to be paying someone the kind of money he would get off us for a player that has never been an All Star in 9 years in the NBA.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Anyone who thinks Josh Smith is worth $94m over 5 years is completely nuts.

Nearly every team interested in Smith has better assets than us to offer for a potential Smith trade. I highly doubt it happens. I still say Gordon & pieces is the only real deal that could happen for us outside of Howard becoming available.

id max out smith in a heartbeat. it would be one thing if we had 20 million in cap room and used it all up on smith and thus couldnt allocate it elsewhere. we arent in that situation. we are over the tax and have no means to add a free agent for the next 3-5 years. thus adding smith is an obvious move you make if you have any chance to do it. you overpay him 4-5 million per year. great, its better then paying scrubs what they deserve at the league minimum. plus smith is the perfect fit for all that ails us, and would make an enormous difference defensively.

i agree, we wont get him, because no one is shipping out and expiring for humphries. but if we could i give him the max in a split second. hell if we didnt he wouldnt even be one of our 3 worst contracts!

THIS^

If Smith is your best player then you dont max him out. When he is your 3rd or 4th best player then you do it in a heartbeat.

[PetroNet]

Are you being serious?

So you honestly believe LeBron James would go to LA over staying with the Heat or joining another superstar in Cleveland?

of course im being serious. maybe lebron wouldnt go there, but certainly many other stars would want to play their and sign there or force trades there. its LA, that is where everyone wants to play and would jump at an opportunity to go there.

LA would have absolutely nobody on their roster. Why would stars go there?

its irrelevant if they have no one on their roster. guys would still want to play there, and would know if they went others would follow... because its the lakers. because its in LA, because its the league premier franchise.

who did the lakers have when kobe told everyone he would play in europe if anyone but the lakers drafted him? nick van exel?

The Lakers plan was to go get Lebron to partner Howard so if Howard walks who is going to sign in 2014 that makes LA into a contender again???

the lakers plan was never to get lebron. they would never do it while kobe was there and they would never pigeon hole themselves into 1 player. howard or not, stars will want to sign there.

The Celtics we're awful for a long time and nobody wanted to go there at all. Even KG wouldn't agree to a trade until another star was traded for at the same time as him and hence the Allen trade.

the celtics are the lakers. and boston isnt LA. in fact, boston isnt even one of the bigger FA hotspots as far as the NBA goes. alot of players wont consider it because it still has a rep as a very racist town(which, having lived here for the last 16 years, isnt really all that untrue).

2014 FA: Lowry, James, Melo, Gay, Granger, Bosh, ZBO, Gortat & Bogut with most of them apart from Lowry, Gortat & Lowry being options of early termination deals so they aren't definitely free agents in 2014.

they dont need to get someone in 2014. the world wont end if they have a couple transition years. it may take 2-3 offseasons, but they will clear the room, a megastar will sign there or force a trade there, and they will be right back to contender status.