Alec Burks as a PG

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Post#41 » by RyanStorm » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:02 am

If its not rocket science than why can't you get something so simple when I write a memoir about it.
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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#42 » by Inigo Montoya » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:31 am

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Inigo Montoya wrote:until now, a performance such as the one against boston (which ended in a loss, btw) is the exception and not the rule though.



Not at all the case. He struggled shooting during the first few games as a starter, then turned a corner:

vs. Toronto 10 pts, 3 ast, 2 blk, 2 stl, 28% shooting
vs. Boston 23 pt, 10 ast, 1 blk, 7 reb, 2 stl, 60% shooting
vs. Washington 17 pts, 9 ast, 2 blk, 1 stl, 50% shooting
vs. Orlando 27 pts, 3 ast, 3 blk, 6 reb, 6 stl, 42% shooting

I'm too tired to go on...he had a few pretty bad shooting performances in there but had some really great games vs. the Suns, Portland, Memphis, the Rockets...all great shooting games with great stats across the board. Some wins, some losses.

I think it's natural that he struggles a bit when first getting big minutes as a starter, but overall he really showed what he could do with significant playing time.


"some wins, some losses" is a bit of an embellishment, i'd say. the clippers lost 7 out of 10 when he was starting (in this last stretch). his individual stats - good or bad - means nothing to me when the team loses under him so much. they are among the most deep and talented teams in the league (if not the most) even without paul. yet when he ran the show they were LOSING. a lot. what does that tell you about his ability to run a team? he also ranks #12 in the league in turnovers per 48 minutes. his A\TO ratio is awful.
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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#43 » by StocktonShorts » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:35 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
Neon Black wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:until now, a performance such as the one against boston (which ended in a loss, btw) is the exception and not the rule though.



Not at all the case. He struggled shooting during the first few games as a starter, then turned a corner:

vs. Toronto 10 pts, 3 ast, 2 blk, 2 stl, 28% shooting
vs. Boston 23 pt, 10 ast, 1 blk, 7 reb, 2 stl, 60% shooting
vs. Washington 17 pts, 9 ast, 2 blk, 1 stl, 50% shooting
vs. Orlando 27 pts, 3 ast, 3 blk, 6 reb, 6 stl, 42% shooting

I'm too tired to go on...he had a few pretty bad shooting performances in there but had some really great games vs. the Suns, Portland, Memphis, the Rockets...all great shooting games with great stats across the board. Some wins, some losses.

I think it's natural that he struggles a bit when first getting big minutes as a starter, but overall he really showed what he could do with significant playing time.


"some wins, some losses" is a bit of an embellishment, i'd say. the clippers lost 7 out of 10 when he was starting (in this last stretch). his individual stats - good or bad - means nothing to me when the team loses under him so much. they are among the most deep and talented teams in the league (if not the most) even without paul. yet when he ran the show they were LOSING. a lot. what does that tell you about his ability to run a team? he also ranks #12 in the league in turnovers per 48 minutes. his A\TO ratio is awful.


I think if might say more about how good Chris Paul is, to be honest.
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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#44 » by The59Sound » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:46 am

RyanStorm wrote:If its not rocket science than why can't you get something so simple when I write a memoir about it.


Because said memoir is incomprehensible?

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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#45 » by slcjosh » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:07 am

Basically this argument has devolved into fanboy grandeur that burks is the best option to point guard this team into the future.
Lets just call it as is: since mo got hurt burks has been put in a situation where he can help the team by picking up some minutes as a pg. the jazz did not draft a slashing 2 guard from Colorado at twelve with intentions of making him play out of position and lead the jazz at poit guard. They drafted him for exactly what he is, a versatile combo guard who has the potential to be very good. You don't draft a player and try to change them ito something new. There is no logic in that.

Burks has played well and is developing. It's only his second year (don't forget his first season was lockout shortened) he will come into his own as a scoring guard. But to really earn more minutes he needs to step up his focus on the defensive end and keep putting in the necessary work this offseason.
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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#46 » by RyanStorm » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:40 am

We have a bird type system with Jefferson, we just need a Danny Ainge or Dennis Johnson, to make the system work at Championship levels. I am pretty positive Mo or Bledsoe could lead us further than we thought possible with Burks, Tins or Watson at PG. Especially after looking at the list of every teams PG's, were like one of the only teams without a nice PG, which is probably why we aren't in top 4.

If Burks pumps up his defense, it would probably win us games over Foye's shooting. I am betting Burks could make more points a game than Foye. Not just from the 3pt, but from penetrating and getting Free Throws.


He won't start this year, and unless we get rid of Foye he is likely to be our 6th man next year if Hayward moves up to starter(which he should). Especially if Mo comes back, or if we get Bledsoe, cause If we get a PG in the draft, he will probably stick to being a SG on the bench next year and being our bench play maker, like what Hayward has done this year.
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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#47 » by eLo » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:12 pm

StocktonShorts wrote:
I think if might say more about how good Chris Paul is, to be honest.
Paul is great, but it dont change meaning of @Inigo Montoya post, Bledsoe puts some really good stats when paul was out yet Clippers were pretty bad when he was there main distributor, plus they struggle often vs really bad teams like Wizz, kid is cool energizer from bench but for now not much more than this
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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#48 » by TheStig15 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:07 am

slcjosh wrote:Basically this argument has devolved into fanboy grandeur that burks is the best option to point guard this team into the future.
Lets just call it as is: since mo got hurt burks has been put in a situation where he can help the team by picking up some minutes as a pg. the jazz did not draft a slashing 2 guard from Colorado at twelve with intentions of making him play out of position and lead the jazz at poit guard. They drafted him for exactly what he is, a versatile combo guard who has the potential to be very good. You don't draft a player and try to change them ito something new. There is no logic in that.

Burks has played well and is developing. It's only his second year (don't forget his first season was lockout shortened) he will come into his own as a scoring guard. But to really earn more minutes he needs to step up his focus on the defensive end and keep putting in the necessary work this offseason.


Ok...... So he's playing well at point guard but he wasn't a point guard in college so there's no logic in playing playing him at point guard? it doesn't matter if we didn't draft him to be a point guard if he's good at it. I don't understand why you think that's so insanely unlogical to give him a chance at pg.
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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#49 » by Ming Kong! » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:41 am

slcjosh wrote:Basically this argument has devolved into fanboy grandeur that burks is the best option to point guard this team into the future.
Lets just call it as is: since mo got hurt burks has been put in a situation where he can help the team by picking up some minutes as a pg. the jazz did not draft a slashing 2 guard from Colorado at twelve with intentions of making him play out of position and lead the jazz at poit guard. They drafted him for exactly what he is, a versatile combo guard who has the potential to be very good. You don't draft a player and try to change them ito something new. There is no logic in that.

Burks has played well and is developing. It's only his second year (don't forget his first season was lockout shortened) he will come into his own as a scoring guard. But to really earn more minutes he needs to step up his focus on the defensive end and keep putting in the necessary work this offseason.


Not to compare Burks to Lebron, but Lebron was drafted as a PG, played PG his rookie year, then SG, the SF, now PF. Sometimes, players can play multiple positions, we're not asking Burks to play 4 positions like Lebron, we're asking him to play a position that really shouldn't be TOO out of his norm, considering in college he was ball dominant, so he's used to having the ball in his hands alot.
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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#50 » by StocktonShorts » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:31 am

LeBron was drafted as a PG? Lolwut?
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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#51 » by babyjax13 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:50 am

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Re: Alec Burks as a PG 

Post#52 » by RyanStorm » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:11 am

I think after tonight everyone can just agree Burks is a young athletic guard, who is fully capable of handling the ball and being an intricate part of the back court, whether the 1 or 2, even a 1 against teams like GS who have one of the best shooting back courts.

With Mo around, I don't see use needing a starter PG(or a new bench PG with bledsoe, especially with burks around). With Burks you don't need a true PG.

If you check the numbers, Starter isn't the same as most minutes. Tonight's actual starters(guys with most minutes)were:

Burks - Foye - Hayward - Millsap - Jefferson *This is easily the highest scoring group ever on this team


If you compare Burks to Tins or Wats, he is obviously much more sufficient for this team. I would seriously consider benching him under Mo, and 3rd string Tinsley for future backup. I mean rotations are easier when a guy can play two positions.

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