Trade Targets, Part Deux

[N Ireland Nets]

how many guys put up 18/9/4/2/1?

Josh Smith can't. This season Smith is:

17.4PPG 4.1APG 8.6RPG 17.91PER is not worth $94m over 5 years. You can't just trade for someone and pay him anything without repercussions long term and Smith on a $94m deal is a shocking deal.

Your not getting those stats playing with Williams, Johnson and Lopez so as 4th option, Smith isn't getting anywhere near 18ppg.

Josh Smith is the 1st or 2nd option for the Hawks and he's siting on a 46% field goal percentage with a whooping 50% free throw percentage.

I don't want Josh Smith because he is a problem and known head case while also wanting elite top player money while he isn't even elite or an All Star. Paying Smith $94m over 5 years is a ugly bad contract long term.

Compare Smith's stats even to Millsap's who isn't 1st or 2nd option on the Jazz while playing 5mins less than Smith per game:

15.1PPG 7.4RPG 2.6APG 1.1BLK 20.66PER in 30mins on a smaller contract which means Millsap remains a good asset going forward. Josh Smith with his huge deal starts to look a hell of a lot like Joe Johnson's deal real soon.

[CalamityX12]

i'm actually fearing we nothing done to fix the PF issue and/or scoring off bench issue....

and I'm good with a PF not being a big name, someone that could work which would come cheap for us. A Brandon Wright? laugh if you will, but he can shot block, attempt to D like Evans(but with actual length) and can finish better than Evans as well as make his FTs....

or what about an Evans/Hawes for Dump/Brooks/Karaman & a First?

[PetroNet]

how many guys put up 18/9/4/2/1?

Josh Smith can't. This season Smith is:

17.4PPG 4.1APG 8.6RPG 17.91PER is not worth $94m over 5 years. You can't just trade for someone and pay him anything without repercussions long term and Smith on a $94m deal is a shocking deal.

Your not getting those stats playing with Williams, Johnson and Lopez so as 4th option, Smith isn't getting anywhere near 18ppg.

Josh Smith is the 1st or 2nd option for the Hawks and he's siting on a 46% field goal percentage with a whooping 50% free throw percentage.

right cause 17.4, 8.6, 4.1, 2.2, and 1.2 is SOOOO far off 18/9/4/2/1

it doesnt matter if he scores 18ppg here or not. the point is he is an established player capable of doing so, not some "young guy with potential" as you put it. he isnt stromile swift or darius miles, some high flier who has never done anything.

he is an elite defender who is super competitive, extremely skilled offensively and one of the best finsihers in the league. all of which are huge issues of need on this team.

if we gave him 5/94 he wouldnt even be one of the 3 worst contracts on this team. and even if he was, its moot, as we are maxed/taxed out until 16-17, and even in 16-17 if dwill picks up his option, which he 100% will and we want to bring back lopez we wouldnt have money to spend anyhow thus smith doesnt hurt you then either.

it makes us signicantly better the next 3.5 years, and in the following season all it does is give us smith instead of having the space to sign a 10-12M player instead of smith.

millsap is a good player, he doesnt really help us, and would be a brandon bass type impact here.

[NyCeEvO]

I can't imagine that we'd actually screw up our 2016 free agency plans for Josh Smith.

Therefore, I can only think that since we're pursuing him so hard that we've told him we'll give you the max for 4 years, but not 5.

If he and his agent say no, then that ends the conversation for me. He can be on a late lotto team in PHX for the life of his contract if he wants to.

[PetroNet]

i'm actually fearing we nothing done to fix the PF issue and/or scoring off bench issue....

and I'm good with a PF not being a big name, someone that could work which would come cheap for us. A Brandon Wright? laugh if you will, but he can shot block, attempt to D like Evans(but with actual length) and can finish better than Evans as well as make his FTs....

or what about an Evans/Hawes for Dump/Brooks/Karaman & a First?

i dont care if we not only dont get better offensively, but get worse, so long as we add defrense

defense is by far, the biggest issue this team has. 100 times more pressing then anything on the offensive end. its the reason we suck vs good teams. anyone who can execute at an even ok level offensively is going to beat us. our defense is pathetic

[PetroNet]

I can't imagine that we'd actually screw up our 2016 free agency plans for Josh Smith.

Therefore, I can only think that since we're pursuing him so hard that we've told him we'll give you the max for 4 years, but not 5.

If he and his agent say no, then that ends the conversation for me. He can be on a late lotto team in PHX for the life of his contract if he wants to.

what free agency plans?

40M + will be commited to dwill after his final season and lopez after he is extended/resigned.

[Ronito]

I can't imagine that we'd actually screw up our 2016 free agency plans for Josh Smith.

Therefore, I can only think that since we're pursuing him so hard that we've told him we'll give you the max for 4 years, but not 5.

If he and his agent say no, then that ends the conversation for me. He can be on a late lotto team in PHX for the life of his contract if he wants to.

what free agency plans?

40M + will be commited to dwill after his final season and lopez after he is extended/resigned.

Nope. Deron will exercise his ETO like everyone in that position does. Even if we give Brook the max, I think it's $17M in the first year.

It's complicated, but doable. The team's intentions are clearly set to pursue someone like Durant that year.

[NyCeEvO]

After 2016, only D-Will is on the books and even at that he's a massive expiring.

Even if Lopez is extended, there'd still be cap space of about $17-18mil.

If we have Smith on the roster, we will be at the cap and there will be no chance of even entering a FA sweepstakes for KD and others.

[CalamityX12]

i'm actually fearing we nothing done to fix the PF issue and/or scoring off bench issue....

and I'm good with a PF not being a big name, someone that could work which would come cheap for us. A Brandon Wright? laugh if you will, but he can shot block, attempt to D like Evans(but with actual length) and can finish better than Evans as well as make his FTs....

or what about an Evans/Hawes for Dump/Brooks/Karaman & a First?

i dont care if we not only dont get better offensively, but get worse, so long as we add defrense

defense is by far, the biggest issue this team has. 100 times more pressing then anything on the offensive end. its the reason we suck vs good teams. anyone who can execute at an even ok level offensively is going to beat us. our defense is pathetic

I can do that... definitely, if it's a defensive upgrade even by a small margin, let's do it....

I thought Evans or even Hump could be guys that wouldn't slow or hamper anyone as long as they did their job. But man offensively, they're not a bump(not so much Hump) to jump over but a pit to avoid, especially Evans. Defensively, they're sinking and taking everyone with them... what a reality check.

[Hello Brooklyn]

At this point, I just don't know who else will take Smith.

The Celtics. But do they really have anything better than us?

I just feel like were bidding against ourselves. The Hawks want to get it done.

We just gotta flip Humphries for an expiring contract at this point.

The Suns want Smith and we're willing to give a 1st round pick & Gortat which is a far better package than what we can offer.

The Bucks have offered Ellis for Smith and ATL actually like Ellis so again, that blows our offer out of the water. Smith's agent is praying he's traded to Brooklyn so he gets overpaid like Wallace.

I don't think the Suns want to give Smith the max. I just don't see them taking him on.

The Bucks could give Ellis, but thats a lot to give up. You could make the argument that Ellis is better than Smith.

I just don't see either of those trades materializing. The fact that were still in the conversation, shows how little value he has.

[DarkXaero]

With all these offers going around for Josh Smith, surely, it all hinges on whether Josh Smith will re-sign with the team he has traded to, right? Because I do not see him re-signing with the Bucks. Celtics and Suns are a possibilities if he is traded there. Not to mention, whether these teams actually want to pay Josh Smith what he wants. Even the Nets aren't sure if they would give him a 5 year max contract.

[N Ireland Nets]

At this point, I just don't know who else will take Smith.

The Celtics. But do they really have anything better than us?

I just feel like were bidding against ourselves. The Hawks want to get it done.

We just gotta flip Humphries for an expiring contract at this point.

The Suns want Smith and we're willing to give a 1st round pick & Gortat which is a far better package than what we can offer.

The Bucks have offered Ellis for Smith and ATL actually like Ellis so again, that blows our offer out of the water. Smith's agent is praying he's traded to Brooklyn so he gets overpaid like Wallace.

I don't think the Suns want to give Smith the max. I just don't see them taking him on.

The Bucks could give Ellis, but thats a lot to give up. You could make the argument that Ellis is better than Smith.

I just don't see either of those trades materializing. The fact that were still in the conversation, shows how little value he has.

Smith is a better player than Ellis. It would basically be swapping expiring contracts to an extent so why not go for it and acquire a better player for the Bucks in Smith.

Smith and Sanders as your two big men is nasty, block city. Then see what happens in the summer, could look to sign and trade Smith somewhere of his choice even but a 2 month rental of Smith is better than having Ellis for these 2 months.

[Paradise]

With all these offers going around for Josh Smith, surely, it all hinges on whether Josh Smith will re-sign with the team he has traded to, right? Because I do not see him re-signing with the Bucks. Celtics and Suns are a possibilities if he is traded there. Not to mention, whether these teams actually want to pay Josh Smith what he wants. Even the Nets aren't sure if they would give him a 5 year max contract.

The teams interested in trading for Smith: Bucks, Celtics, Suns, Sixers, Wizards, Nets.

Teams that is reportedly have the best chances to land him: Bucks, Celtics, Nets

Teams he will re-sign with: Nets & Celtics

It's basically package vs leverage for us and Boston. Both teams don't have enough for Atlanta's asking price but we have the edge is him wanting to re-sign in larger markets compared to teams that aren't either good or simply not attractive. If we get him, we will pay him. However, I think Proky will do some savvy to get him to take a reasonable offer.

Only reason why the Bucks are in the trade front for him is because if they move Ellis, they win. If they get Smith, they win and if Smith leaves, they win by getting cap space and a chance to restart. They can't really lose in any situation.

[Ronito]

The only reason we're in this is because Smith wants us. He's driving the process. Unfortunately, no one wants Hump.

[N Ireland Nets]

With all these offers going around for Josh Smith, surely, it all hinges on whether Josh Smith will re-sign with the team he has traded to, right? Because I do not see him re-signing with the Bucks. Celtics and Suns are a possibilities if he is traded there. Not to mention, whether these teams actually want to pay Josh Smith what he wants. Even the Nets aren't sure if they would give him a 5 year max contract.

The teams interested in trading for Smith: Bucks, Celtics, Suns, Sixers, Wizards, Nets.

Teams that is reportedly have the best chances to land him: Bucks, Celtics, Nets

Teams he will re-sign with: Nets & Celtics

It's basically package vs leverage for us and Boston. Both teams don't have enough for Atlanta's asking price but we have the edge is him wanting to re-sign in larger markets compared to teams that aren't either good or simply not attractive. If we get him, we will pay him. However, I think Proky will do some savvy to get him to take a reasonable offer.

Only reason why the Bucks are in the trade front for him is because if they move Ellis, they win. If they get Smith, they win and if Smith leaves, they win by getting cap space and a chance to restart. They can't really lose in any situation.

Why wouldn't the Bucks trade Ellis for Smith?

So what if he walks because Ellis is planning to walk anyway. Might as well roll the dice and see if he sticks to play with Sanders and the 5th year. Could always sign and trade Smith as well in the summer.

[Keith Van Horn]

here's two hypotheticals for you guys, and I think the first one is a no brainer:

1. What froncourt would you rather see starting in 2013-14?
A. Teletovic / Howard
B. Smith (or Milsap) / Lopez

2. Who would you rather give up in a deal for a PF this season?
A. Teletovic
B. Bogdanovic

[CalamityX12]

Food for thought... with this trade deadline coming around the corner....

will this be the last "overhyped" or "Drama induced" or "anti work productivity disease" we'll have for awhile?

[N Ireland Nets]

I think the Bucks could have an interesting team if their trades go through for Smith and Reddick.

Jennings
Reddick
Smith
IIyasova
Sanders

Thats a really interesting 5 that would be fun to watch.

[N Ireland Nets]

Broussard saying Suns offer of Gortat for Smith now unlikely so could mean it's down to Bucks, Celtics & us for Smith really.

Chris_Broussard: U never say never but source close to situation says Josh Smith to Phx 4 Gortat-headlined package is unlikely

[CalamityX12]

here's two hypotheticals for you guys, and I think the first one is a no brainer:

1. What froncourt would you rather see starting in 2013-14?
A. Teletovic / Howard
B. Smith (or Milsap) / Lopez

2. Who would you rather give up in a deal for a PF this season?
A. Teletovic
B. Bogdanovic

1. hmm I'm real biased with Lopez... I'm assuming it's a completely healthy Howard? What's the system we're running etc... I'll rule out Howard being healthy thus I have to go with B....forgive me!

2. A... Bogs is younger and has been quite the shooter we lack. Tele is older and deserves to be in San Antonio.

Why does it have to be a EuroWhite thing?!??!?! lol jk