Josh Smith to the Celtics?

[tcorbin]

Marc Stein reports that the Celtics would almost certainly need to send Paul Pierce to the Hawks for Smith.
Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports

i am 100% against a Josh Smith trade, but if it did happen, i can understand the logic, if Ferry goes for a win it all NOW strategy

Dwight
Horford
Korver
Pierce
Teague (Chris Paul)

Ferry gets Dwight and surrounds him with the best jump shooting PF in the league in Horford and three expert sharp shooters in Pierce, Korver and Teague.

but if Ferry doesn't plan to go after Dwight, then it is pointless, and might as well give Josh max and get an over paid center like Hibbert, Lopez, Asik, or DeAndre Jordan got last summer, with the the available cap space that the Hawks have.

[Jamaaliver]

i am 100% against a Josh Smith trade, but if it did happen, i can understand the logic, if Ferry goes for a win it all NOW strategy

Dwight
Horford
Korver
Pierce
Teague (Chris Paul)

Ferry gets Dwight and surrounds him with the best jump shooting PF in the league in Horford and three expert sharp shooters in Pierce, Korver and Teague.

That team would be a dream!

tcorbin, would you be okay with substituting AL Jefferson for Dwight. In case he doesn't come here...

[nbasuperstar40]

This sounds like something Josh agent would love, no way we need anything from Boston in general. They have nothing that really fits our needs.

[Gant]

If you accept the reports that the Hawks are going to move Smith before the deadline, then there's another critical factor to consider: Smith gets some say where he goes. To some degree, he can favor or rebuff certain teams.

Say the Hawks FO is absolutely committed to moving him. Smith can signal to any team whether or not he will re-sign with them, eliminating possible destinations.

This could both narrow the field a little as far as where he might go, and slightly diminish the return he might bring.

[nbasuperstar40]

If you accept the reports that the Hawks are going to move Smith before the deadline, then there's another critical factor to consider: Smith gets some say where he goes. To some degree, he can favor or rebuff certain teams.

Say the Hawks FO is absolutely committed to moving him. Smith can signal to any team whether or not he will re-sign with them, eliminating possible destinations.

This could both narrow the field a little as far as where he might go, and slightly diminish the return he might bring.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Atlanta will make the playoffs with Smith this year and have an outside chance of winning in the 1st round. Atlanta is much better off keeping Smith than trading him for something awful. Danny Derry is consider to be one of the best GM's in the NBA. That Korver and Joe Johnson trade was great for us.

[dms269]

If you accept the reports that the Hawks are going to move Smith before the deadline, then there's another critical factor to consider: Smith gets some say where he goes. To some degree, he can favor or rebuff certain teams.

Say the Hawks FO is absolutely committed to moving him. Smith can signal to any team whether or not he will re-sign with them, eliminating possible destinations.

This could both narrow the field a little as far as where he might go, and slightly diminish the return he might bring.

On the other side, Atlanta has the power because if Josh turly wants a large contract, there are only a handful of team that can sign him to that in the offseason. If Josh says he wants to go to a team that is only offering pennies and says he will walk if we don't trade him, Atlanta calls his bluff, doesn't trade him and watch as he either comes back to Atlanta or takes a significant pay cut.

[Gant]

You're missing the key part:

If the Hawks front office has already absolutely committed internally to trade Smith before the deadline then that may diminish his return.

As in: "There's no freakin' way we're keeping this guy. We're getting rid of him now."
If that's the case, they're not keeping him under any circumstances.

We don't know if the Hawks' decision makers are doing that, but they might be. It's happened many times before with other front offices and other players.

[parson]

You're missing the key part:

If the Hawks front office has already absolutely committed internally to trade Smith before the deadline then that may diminish his return.

The real key is the number of teams bidding on Smith. Teams we know about are LAL, DAL, SAS, BOS, WASH, BKN, PHO and MIL.

The more teams bidding, the higher the return.

[Frank Lucas]

All I'm saying is that the Hawks are playing themselves because everyone around the league knows they want to move Josh Smith. Why would any team send Atlanta a great offer? If Atlanta was getting offers they like Josh Smith would have been traded last week. Teams are making low ball offers to Atlanta. Now it pretty much up to Ferry to take the best offer on the table at the final hour because they aren't going to lose Smith for nothing.

I think Hawks fans are going to be upset. You best hope is to have a team out think themselves and over bid for Smith.

To be perfectly honest I think the Suns will make a foolish trade for Josh Smith a trade that isn't going to help either team in the long run IMO.

If Boston offered Paul Pierce for Josh Smith you have to take that offer if your Atlanta. If your Boston a Paul Pierce trade to me would signal KG going to LA for Bledsoe and Jordan.

[Frank Lucas]

You're missing the key part:

If the Hawks front office has already absolutely committed internally to trade Smith before the deadline then that may diminish his return.

The real key is the number of teams bidding on Smith. Teams we know about are LAL, DAL, SAS, BOS, WASH, BKN, PHO and MIL.

The more teams bidding, the higher the return.

I'm not buying the hype. I mean I'm sure a lot of team have made offers or called about Josh Smith but how many team really is going to make a good offer for Josh Smith and than have to turn around and give this low basketball IQ player a max contract? Josh Smith being traded out of Atlanta is like a going out of business sale to the teams around the league. Everyone going to try to shop looking to get something for nothing.

LAL who they going to offer for Josh Smith?
Dallas who do you guys want off that team beside Dirk?
SAS they aren't giving up Leonard who they have under a rookie contract for a couple more season
Washington really tell me who they have to offer?
BKN ok Atlanta you guys can have Kris Hump and Marshon
MIL I doubt they give up Monte for Smith it just isn't a good fit for MIL

[tcorbin]

All I'm saying is that the Hawks are playing themselves because everyone around the league knows they want to move Josh Smith. Why would any team send Atlanta a great offer? If Atlanta was getting offers they like Josh Smith would have been traded last week. Teams are making low ball offers to Atlanta. Now it pretty much up to Ferry to take the best offer on the table at the final hour because they aren't going to lose Smith for nothing.

I think Hawks fans are going to be upset. You best hope is to have a team out think themselves and over bid for Smith.

To be perfectly honest I think the Suns will make a foolish trade for Josh Smith a trade that isn't going to help either team in the long run IMO.

If Boston offered Paul Pierce for Josh Smith you have to take that offer if your Atlanta. If your Boston a Paul Pierce trade to me would signal KG going to LA for Bledsoe and Jordan.

Why can't people understand that the Hawks don't have to trade Josh and just get the cap space

[Frank Lucas]

What good is cap space when guys don't want to go to Atlanta to play basketball? Who are you going to get with that Cap Space? Cap space is over-rated IMO, it means nothing if you can't get guys to come there. You had cap space once before and made Joe Johnson the highest paid player in the league because he was the only player who wanted to come there and that because your GM made him an offer that he couldn't turn down.

[Rip2137]

I get so tired of that stupid argument. No great player has signed with anyone without being offered the world. Period. You don't see all-star caliber players lining up and signing min deals to sign anywhere.

If a superstar wants a max deal and there are only 3 teams that can offer it, then you can win that battle.

I don't care who YOUR team is, I can guarantee no free agent ever signed with your team without being over paid either.

[PierceGarnett]

Would Atlanta Except a package centered around Marcin Gortat

Something Like - Gortat , Beasley and Courtney Lee for Josh Smith and Stevenson

[parson]

^Take out Beasley.