Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LI "Trade Deadline" Edition)

Post #101 » by **Def Swami** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:40 am

The run for J.J. Redick and the Orlando Magic may be coming to a close.
Despite repeated assurances that he may not be traded, that has not stopped Orlando from testing J.J.’s value and the inevitability of a team meeting Orlando’s asking price, an unprotected first-round pick in the top of the draft, seems fairly high although you’d be surprised how many teams view a top-20 draft pick as a steep price to rent Redick for what could be the final 20-plus games of the season.
League sources say that if Redick is traded from Orlando, it’s hard to imagine that he won’t go shopping as an unrestricted free agent, making it even more risky to give up what could be a reasonable future player.
The Magic have spoken to a number of teams about J.J., so seeing a deal materialize or the Magic lowering their price before Thursday’s deadline isn’t out of the question and seems more likely than not.
– Steve Kyler

Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/j-j-redick-co ... ckW0SqZ.99

OrlandO · Post #102 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:43 am

pogiro wrote:
OrlandO wrote:What makes you think we can get a lottery pick if we trade him this week? What contender can give us a lotto pick or high quality young player that doesn't already have their SG position filled? JJ is an expiring and he is not leaving here to go to some crappy to average team, especially if it's not in a big city. I see you mentioned a Bucks trade. Do you really think JJ wants to play in Milwaukee? Do you think his wife would be happy there? I doubt he would give them the assurance that he would stay there.

? Well we're speculating on several rumors. Shumpert form the Knicks, and a trade involving a 1st round pick from Milwaukee. I've seen other scenarios involving Chicago trading Butler, Clippers and Bledsoe. It's all speculation.

And whether J.J. stays in Milwaukee is not my concern. If he wants to leave, he can leave. But at least we trade him when he has the ability to go somewhere he actually wants. Rather than us signing him, and us trading him somewhere he may not care to be, and him end up stuck there. But I already went through this in an earlier discussion, I think you're simplifying it a little too much implying J.J. doesn't want to stay in Milwaukee. They've got a decent roster shaping up over there.

Why would the Knicks trade Shumpert, one of their best defenders at age 23, for Redick? They already have plenty of offense and defense is important in the playoffs. If he's on the block I'd be concerned considering his recent ACL injury. I don't think we can get Bledsoe. Clippers have a bunch of guards, so if they're moving him it's probably for a big. There are lots of teams interested in him, too. Chicago is one of the few teams I could see a deal being worked out among all parties involved. JJ is not going to the freaking Bucks.

pogiro · Post #103 » by **pogiro** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:51 am

OrlandO wrote:Why would the Knicks trade Shumpert, one of their best defenders at age 23, for Redick? They already have plenty of offense and defense is important in the playoffs. If he's on the block I'd be concerned considering his recent ACL injury. I don't think we can get Bledsoe. Clippers have a bunch of guards, so if they're moving him it's probably for a big. There are lots of teams interested in him, too. Chicago is one of the few teams I could see a deal being worked out among all parties involved. JJ is not going to the freaking Bucks.

Ok... what's that got to do with what I'm saying? These are the rumors and the scenarios that I've read on this board. I didn't make em up. All I am saying is if there's any truth to em, if we can get decent return, trade him.

MagicFan41 · Post #104 » by **MagicFan41** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:45 am

Out of curiousity....which teams legitimately that are "contenders" (which is where everyone says JJ should go sign with) have the room to offer JJ more than the MLE (or mini MLE for a lot of them)? Basically none? I haven't actually looked at their exact cap situations, but I know that Lakers, Heat, Nets, Knicks, Bulls (unless they amnesty Boozer which they might), Clippers, Memphis, Spurs, Thunder etc are all over the cap or tax (many of those teams over the tax). So they could offer him $5mil if they aren't over tax or $3mil if they are. Right? Maybe the Pacers or Bulls (if amnesty Boozer) might have the room, but otherwise, as he keeps saying about it being a "business"....would he really take $2-$3mil less per year to leave where he wants to be, where his family wants to be, etc? I bet he wouldn't. Not at this stage in his career imo. Maybe later on down the road ala Ray Allen.

MagicFan32 · Post #105 » by **MagicFan32** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:34 am

It's amazing how some of you want to keep JJ instead of getting a first, JJ is NOT staying unless we OVERPAY

Nemesis21 · Post #106 » by **Nemesis21** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:39 am

Keep JJ, trade Jameer and Afflalo.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=aapb3jd

Orlando gets: SF Landry Fields, SG Brandon Roy, Timberwolves 2013 1st rd pick

Timberwolves get: SG Arron Afflalo

Toronto gets: PG Jameer Nelson, TPE from D12 trade

Post #107 » by **Bensational** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:48 am

Bucks should trade Jennings for Smith since both teams are most likely on borrowed time with those players. Deal Henson or their 1st + Udoh for JJ + BBD/Harrigton and hope he can make up for the lack of playmaking from Monta.

Sanders
Smith
Moute
JJ
Monta

could make some noise in the playoffs. A lot of potential to really disrupt teams with the defense from their front court. Offensively, they'd be very challenged, but no moreso than with their current squad. who knows where Smith will end up as a free agent, but Milwaukee would have as good a chance as any, I'd imagine.

I just don't see that Milwaukee team having a future together, so they should be looking to make moves now.

fbeye343 · Post #108 » by **fbeye343** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:49 am

Magic cannot pay redick 4 years/40million. Way too much for a role player. Take a young player on a cheap contract/draft pick and maintain flexibility moving forward

MagicFan41 · Post #109 » by **MagicFan41** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:54 am

fbeye343 wrote:Magic cannot pay redick 4 years/40million. Way too much for a role player. Take a young player on a cheap contract/draft pick and maintain flexibility moving forward

Lol, where did 4 years 40 mil come from? Good try JJ

. I highly doubt anybody is offering that. Approx $7mil per is what he will prob get and what he is prob about worth.

Post #110 » by **Def Swami** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:55 am

^^

J.J. Redick will be looking for a four-year, $40 millon contract on the free agent market, according to sources.

Redick is unlikely to get a deal that hits $10 million annually, but teams with interest in dealing for him contend a $7 million per season amount is likely.

The Pacers, Bucks, Bulls and Wolves have been interested in Redick.

The Magic are willing to re-sign Redick at a deal at approximately $5 million per season.

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports

Bye, JJ. Thanks for the memories. :wave:

Ballah · Post #111 » by **Ballah** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:58 am

The reason we are talking about trading JJ is because he has VALUE. Teams actually WANT him. You can't just say "trade Jameer or Afflalo instead". If teams wanted them we would be hearing rumors about them instead of constant rumors about JJ, but they don't.

MagicFan41 · Post #112 » by **MagicFan41** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:58 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:^^
J.J. Redick will be looking for a four-year, $40 millon contract on the free agent market, according to sources.

Redick is unlikely to get a deal that hits $10 million annually, but teams with interest in dealing for him contend a $7 million per season amount is likely.

The Pacers, Bucks, Bulls and Wolves have been interested in Redick.

The Magic are willing to re-sign Redick at a deal at approximately $5 million per season.

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports

Bye, JJ. Thanks for the memories.

I'm still not seeing how the Pacers or Bulls can offer JJ $7mil. They are above the cap. Maybe the Bucks or Wolves, but I highly highly doubt he wants to live up there. Plus you factor in the lack of a state income tax, that saves a little bit. Might be enough for him to give a hometown discount around $5-6mil

tiderulz · Post #113 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:02 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:^^
J.J. Redick will be looking for a four-year, $40 millon contract on the free agent market, according to sources.

Redick is unlikely to get a deal that hits $10 million annually, but teams with interest in dealing for him contend a $7 million per season amount is likely.

The Pacers, Bucks, Bulls and Wolves have been interested in Redick.

The Magic are willing to re-sign Redick at a deal at approximately $5 million per season.

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports

Bye, JJ. Thanks for the memories.

Well, look at it this way. If Otis were still around, he probably would be offering a 4yr/$40m contract. And $5m/yr is a good starting point for a smart GM.

Post #114 » by **Bensational** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:03 am

I don't understand why the CBA won't allow contracts to be structured without certain percentage rises/decreases.

No reason we couldn't give JJ $15M next season, and then $5-6M every season after for 3 years. We don't need to save the coin next year, and it'd keep him happy, and keep him affordable when we intend to chase FAs. I'm not sure who the percentage raises/decreases are intended to protect.

tiderulz · Post #115 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:03 am

MagicFan41 wrote:I'm still not seeing how the Pacers or Bulls can offer JJ $7mil. They are above the cap. Maybe the Bucks or Wolves, but I highly highly doubt he wants to live up there. Plus you factor in the lack of a state income tax, that saves a little bit. Might be enough for him to give a hometown discount around $5-6mil

well, he would only get a tax break on about half his games, not sure that equals $1m in savings.

MagicFan41 · Post #116 » by **MagicFan41** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:05 am

tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:I'm still not seeing how the Pacers or Bulls can offer JJ $7mil. They are above the cap. Maybe the Bucks or Wolves, but I highly highly doubt he wants to live up there. Plus you factor in the lack of a state income tax, that saves a little bit. Might be enough for him to give a hometown discount around $5-6mil

well, he would only get a tax break on about half his games, not sure that equals $1m in savings.

No, it doesn't. But he might take a $500-$1mil haircut to live where he wants, in an organization he wants to be with. I know if I had approx $45mil in career salary I would certainly do that.

OrlandO · Post #117 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:08 am

fbeye343 wrote:Magic cannot pay redick 4 years/40million. Way too much for a role player. Take a young player on a cheap contract/draft pick and maintain flexibility moving forward

Ryan Anderson got 4/36 and he's a big... what makes you think an older JJ would get the same or more than him?

The Effect · Post #118 » by **The Effect** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:10 am

Well if we are trading away our best player (yes JJ is our best player), can we find takers for our **** contracts (turk, harrington, BBD)??

OrlandO · Post #119 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:10 am

MagicFan32 wrote:It's amazing how some of you want to keep JJ instead of getting a first, JJ is NOT staying unless we OVERPAY

How much do you think it would cost to keep JJ in a Magic uniform?

Neon1 · Post #120 » by **Neon1** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:12 am

tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:I'm still not seeing how the Pacers or Bulls can offer JJ $7mil. They are above the cap. Maybe the Bucks or Wolves, but I highly highly doubt he wants to live up there. Plus you factor in the lack of a state income tax, that saves a little bit. Might be enough for him to give a hometown discount around $5-6mil

well, he would only get a tax break on about half his games, not sure that equals $1m in savings.

56% of the games i guess
42 in Orlando
2 in Miami
1 in San Antonio
1 in Dallas
1 in Houston