Young Phil Jackson on white vs. black players in the NBA

[bbjaylive]

I really freaking hate how if anyone says anything that's remotely demeaning to the black ethnicity today, no one is allowed to talk about it. What Phil J said is absolutely true. Why is it such a taboo subject to talk about (blacks not being team oriented) but it's ok to poke fun at whites for not being as athletic? Anyone ever heard of the movie White Guys Can't Jump? What if someone directed a movie called Black Guys Can't Pass? I guarantee there would be some strong opinions from the NAACP etc if a movie titled that were ever released. You can't shout White Power without being called a racist. Sorry for the rant, but I really hate the double standard when it comes to ethnic issues in America.

It's because people have made a living off race-baiting. If racism didn't exist, these people would be out of a job. Go look at MSNBC. That channel is 24 hour race-baiting nonsense.

Race baiting is about 80% of what right wing media is.

Rush Limbaugh doesn't represent the whole of right wing media. Troll harder.

[bbjaylive]

If you think that all black kids are "me first" and can't play the team game--and that that is a function of their race--then you are a racist. That is racism. I'm sorry if you think that's PC. But it's not. There are profound economic reasons that underlie these issues. A black kid raised in the suburbs with the same opportunities as a white kid is going to come out totally different than a black kid raised in poverty in the inner city. That is a straight up fact.

The fact of the matter is that even though segregation was ended--the races are still segregated. For the most part white people aren't living around black people and vice versa. For the most part black people aren't getting the same jobs and education as white people.

I mean look at our president. Black kid--who got given a lot of the opportunities generally afforded by default to white kids--and he became the president.

There is also the problem that we incarcerate black people at a rate disproportionate to the rest of society. Which is a part of why there is so much destabilization in the inner city. And most of the charges are drug related--where they are selling drugs to...wait for it...white people.

So I mean it's completely ignorant to just say that black people play this way, white people play this way--and play that off like it's a facet of their skin color, and not an economic consideration.

Oh shut the hell up, you strawmanning MORON.

No one is saying ALL BLACK KIDS.

Yeah, so? Blacks commit crimes at rate disproportionate to the their population.

Also, I'm sick of hearing this word "ignorance". It's been so overused by the Thought Policing liberals that it doesn't even mean anything in debates about race anymore. Sick of hearing this nonsense about any time a black liberal politician is criticised, it must because the critic is racist. Utter BS. How about they just think their policies SUCK? Black conservatives hear a lot worse from their own community.

[JasonFTW]

If you think that all black kids are "me first" and can't play the team game--and that that is a function of their race--then you are a racist. That is racism. I'm sorry if you think that's PC. But it's not. There are profound economic reasons that underlie these issues. A black kid raised in the suburbs with the same opportunities as a white kid is going to come out totally different than a black kid raised in poverty in the inner city. That is a straight up fact.

The fact of the matter is that even though segregation was ended--the races are still segregated. For the most part white people aren't living around black people and vice versa. For the most part black people aren't getting the same jobs and education as white people.

I mean look at our president. Black kid--who got given a lot of the opportunities generally afforded by default to white kids--and he became the president.

There is also the problem that we incarcerate black people at a rate disproportionate to the rest of society. Which is a part of why there is so much destabilization in the inner city. And most of the charges are drug related--where they are selling drugs to...wait for it...white people.

So I mean it's completely ignorant to just say that black people play this way, white people play this way--and play that off like it's a facet of their skin color, and not an economic consideration.

Oh shut the hell up, you strawmanning MORON.

No one is saying ALL BLACK KIDS.

Yeah, so? Blacks commit crimes at rate disproportionate to the their population.

Also, I'm sick of hearing this word "ignorance". It's been so overused by the Thought Policing liberals that it doesn't even mean anything in debates about race anymore. Sick of hearing this nonsense about any time a black liberal politician is criticised, it must because the critic is racist. Utter BS. How about they just think their policies SUCK? Black conservatives hear a lot worse from their own community.

I assume you are a fan of FOX news, huh?

[Frank Mulely]

Sorry South, you're just too immature and racist to run your own society. You did and still need oversight from more evolved people to force you to conduct yourselves in a civilized manner.

Actually in the South today blacks and whites get along pretty good, better than the North in my opinion where inner city segregation is still a reality. A lot of the schools in the south are half black and half white for instance, not because there is enforced integration but just because that is the demographic make up of that particular area. But in the Cleveland area for example, where I was bussed one hour each way as a white kid to an all black school, the schools are either all black or all white with the exception of a few small areas that are fairly integrated like Cleveland Heights. Having spent time in both the north and the south, I've come across far more racists in the north.

But yeah, when you take that kind of extremely ignorant attitude towards the south (you sound like Bill Maher), this is why they don't like people like you, and it has nothing to do with racism (I have no idea what your race is).

Right, that's why the South had numerous instances of voter supression, voter supression laws etc. during the 2012 campaign, that's why you guys still need the Voting Rights Act to monitor and stop attempts by white majorities to supress the black vote, etc.

I've been to the South, it's amazingly racist still. Speaking as a black person that is my opinion. it's BAD. You guys still have a ton of work to do. I'm not exonerating the rest of the country but it's noticeably bad there and almost any black person who's traveled the country will say so.

But I know, I know, I'm just a whiny race-baiter Save the the bits and spare me the typical conservative claptrap response.

[Spurtatcus]

Phil isn't being racist. Commentary on the differences between the two races and how they perform in basketball is acceptable imo, especially for someone in his position at the time. If he was a black dude saying this, no one would bat an eye, but of course because he's white it's "racist." I don't think he said anything racist, he didn't degrade black people, just tried to give his own explanation for what he was experiencing in the NBA at the time. Nothing wrong with that, imo. The world has become very pussified and I agree that if any coach came out and said something like this nowadays they would probably be crucified for it.

Also lol @ the Morgan Freeman thing. I guess any famous black dude is an expert on black history and no one can question anything he says?

He probably knows more about Black history than you and almost everyone else on this board. Because you know, he's black and experienced a lot of the history you read about in your books.

You know nothing about me, how the hell would you know and who are you to be making these assumptions?

[Spurtatcus]

I assume you are a fan of FOX news, huh?

As far as literal statistical evidence, he's not saying anything untrue. Although this is linked moreso to poverty than anything racial, imo

[kodo]

Very disappointed in Phil's statements. Blatantly racist to the point of absurdity.

what's exactly is racist in his words??? really don't get it . it's like saying that white people are swimming faster but black people run faster . it's just a fact..
don't look for some hidden intention where simply there isn't one

It's not a fact, though. He wasn't giving us some freakonomics type of statistical analysis on the different races' styles of play. He's saying "whites play more team-like" and "blacks play more selfishly" in some sort of blanket sweeping statement. It's racist.

He specifically said this was due to environment the kids grew up in, he never said there was something genetic that made blacks play "selfishly".

[JasonFTW]

I assume you are a fan of FOX news, huh?

As far as literal statistical evidence, he's not saying anything untrue. Although this is linked moreso to poverty than anything racial, imo

I just don't agree with everything he's saying