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How are we getting Love if we can't even get Josh Smith?Jersey Generals wrote:Don't worry, people. now Humphries actually HAS value.
It's only a matter time before Love asks out.
Jersey Generals wrote:Don't worry, people. now Humphries actually HAS value.
It's only a matter time before Love asks out.
DarkXaero wrote:How are we getting Love if we can't even get Josh Smith?Jersey Generals wrote:Don't worry, people. now Humphries actually HAS value.
It's only a matter time before Love asks out.
Our actual assets (Brooks and the Euro stash) are decent at best, and not good enough to get someone like Love. Now unless you're talking about Lopez for Love, that's a different story. But about 10 teams in the league will beat our offer for Love.
I understand that but Humphries is still negative value. I'm not even talking about Humphries in a deal for Love, I'm talking about our assets with actual value (Brooks, Bogdanovic, Karaman, late 1st round pick), which won't be anywhere near enough to get a player like Love. Love isn't even a free agent in 2014 anyway, so he won't be an expiring next year. We won't have much leverage at all.NyCeEvO wrote:DarkXaero wrote:How are we getting Love if we can't even get Josh Smith?Jersey Generals wrote:Don't worry, people. now Humphries actually HAS value.
It's only a matter time before Love asks out.
Our actual assets (Brooks and the Euro stash) are decent at best, and not good enough to get someone like Love. Now unless you're talking about Lopez for Love, that's a different story. But about 10 teams in the league will beat our offer for Love.
Hump will now be a true expiring contract.
It's way more attractive to have a guy on a contract for 1 year than it is for someone with more than 1 year of salary left to pay.
DarkXaero wrote:How are we getting Love if we can't even get Josh Smith?
Our actual assets (Brooks and the Euro stash) are decent at best, and not good enough to get someone like Love. Now unless you're talking about Lopez for Love, that's a different story. But about 10 teams in the league will beat our offer for Love.
DarkXaero wrote:I understand that but Humphries is still negative value. I'm not even talking about Humphries in a deal for Love, I'm talking about our assets with actual value (Brooks, Bogdanovic, Karaman, late 1st round pick), which won't be anywhere near enough to get a player like Love. Love isn't even a free agent in 2014 anyway, so he won't be an expiring next year. We won't have much leverage at all.
Jersey Generals wrote:DarkXaero wrote:How are we getting Love if we can't even get Josh Smith?
Because Humphries had negative value before now? Now he's simply an expiring that can actually play somewhat, unlike the other expirings that are usually over the hill.Our actual assets (Brooks and the Euro stash) are decent at best, and not good enough to get someone like Love. Now unless you're talking about Lopez for Love, that's a different story. But about 10 teams in the league will beat our offer for Love.
Not at all. Now the Nets actually do have some assets, especially if the Nets buy another two or three Euros this draft. Enough to get Love in a vacuum? No, of course not. But if he tries to force his way somewhere, with the Nets being the spot? There's a chance. And that chance would be even greater if it wasn't for the pick swaps in 2014 and 2015.
DarkXaero wrote:I understand that but Humphries is still negative value. I'm not even talking about Humphries in a deal for Love, I'm talking about our assets with actual value (Brooks, Bogdanovic, Karaman, late 1st round pick), which won't be anywhere near enough to get a player like Love. Love isn't even a free agent in 2014 anyway, so he won't be an expiring next year. We won't have much leverage at all.NyCeEvO wrote:Hump will now be a true expiring contract.
It's way more attractive to have a guy on a contract for 1 year than it is for someone with more than 1 year of salary left to pay.
I'm not missing the point, I understand the value of an expiring contract. But you have to understand what the rest of the league can offer too. If Love is on the block, there are going to be offers for him from most teams in the league. With what we have, it's simply not possible to have the assets to beat all those offers. Even if we were to magically turn Humphries into a good 1st round pick, we still don't have the assets. You're overestimating the value of Eurostash as trade assets, not because they aren't good prospects, but because of the difficulty in getting them to the NBA (with their Euro contracts, buyouts, and willingness). Marshon's value will keep dropping unless he gets more playing time and performs well. We are likely to have a early-mid 20s 1st round pick in this year's weak draft, but who knows what that turns out to be. Unless its a hidden gem, I just don't see how we will get Love. There's also the fact that Love is not an expiring next year. Hence, Wolves have no reason to trade him next year because they'll still have leverage.Jersey Generals wrote:DarkXaero wrote:I understand that but Humphries is still negative value. I'm not even talking about Humphries in a deal for Love, I'm talking about our assets with actual value (Brooks, Bogdanovic, Karaman, late 1st round pick), which won't be anywhere near enough to get a player like Love. Love isn't even a free agent in 2014 anyway, so he won't be an expiring next year. We won't have much leverage at all.
You're missing the point. It doesn't necessarily have to be a Humphries + for Love deal. Who knows, maybe Humphries is traded on draft night to the Bobcats for Ty Thomas and the Pistons pick, which would be another asset. Then, using Ty Thomas' expiring in 2015 and all the accumulation of assets, the Nets may be able to make a deal for Love if he forces his way out. It's not always black and white like many people make it seem. There are variables, ideas that can be used as leverage in order to get something bigger than it appears on first glance.
Problem is that there won't be a Josh Smith or Paul Millsap next year.therealbig3 wrote:I get that unless King completely screws it up somehow (I can't put it past him), we're in a much better position at next year's deadline than we were at this one...but the thought of having to watch Hump and Evans as our PF combo for the rest of the year and throughout the playoffs (however long they are for us) just makes me feel depressed.
therealbig3 wrote:I get that unless King completely screws it up somehow (I can't put it past him), we're in a much better position at next year's deadline than we were at this one...but the thought of having to watch Hump and Evans as our PF combo for the rest of the year and throughout the playoffs (however long they are for us) just makes me feel depressed.
Yea, except when that leverage is gone, because the player cannot go to that team in FA.NyCeEvO wrote:You know that thing where a superstar says "I want to go to this team and I will only re-sign with this team"?
Yeah, that has a BIG effect on things.
DarkXaero wrote:I'm not missing the point, I understand the value of an expiring contract. But you have to understand what the rest of the league can offer too. If Love is on the block, there are going to be offers for him from most teams in the league. With what we have, it's simply not possible to have the assets to beat all those offers.
Even if we were to magically turn Humphries into a good 1st round pick, we still don't have the assets. You're overestimating the value of Eurostash as trade assets, not because they aren't good prospects, but because of the difficulty in getting them to the NBA (with their Euro contracts, buyouts, and willingness). Marshon's value will keep dropping unless he gets more playing time and performs well. We are likely to have a early-mid 20s 1st round pick in this year's weak draft, but who knows what that turns out to be. Unless its a hidden gem, I just don't see how we will get Love. There's also the fact that Love is not an expiring next year. Hence, Wolves have no reason to trade him next year because they'll still have leverage.
Ronito wrote:Anyone besides Love that comes to mind for next season?
DarkXaero wrote:Problem is that there won't be a Josh Smith or Paul Millsap next year.therealbig3 wrote:I get that unless King completely screws it up somehow (I can't put it past him), we're in a much better position at next year's deadline than we were at this one...but the thought of having to watch Hump and Evans as our PF combo for the rest of the year and throughout the playoffs (however long they are for us) just makes me feel depressed.