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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#141 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:57 pm

I'm struggling to find any rationale, and sense, any reason whatsoever for this trade and I can't find it. Even the "Avoid Luxtax Theory" doesn't make sense. Prior to the trade, the Wizards were in position to have a payroll of $62.7M next year (assuming a #5 pick). That's for 11 players. Add in two 2nd round picks and a full MLE deal for Webster (which is probably overpaying) and that only gets us to $68.8M. The luxtax threshold is $70.3M. WE COULDN'T HAVE EXCEEDED THE LUXTAX EVEN IF WE TRIED!

Shaving Crawford's $2.16M salary commitment makes no difference whatsoever.

Another head-scratcher in a long line of senseless moves. Again, this is a minor move so it's probably not a big deal, but it's yet another example of how EG squanders minor assets. This is like dumping the #46 pick, or signing Yi, or the drafting of Satoranski, or trading the Memphis pick for Crittenton. All those little failures add up.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#142 » by DMVleGeND » Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:57 pm

pineappleheadindc wrote:Ted's Take tonight:

Today we traded Jordan Crawford to the Celtics for Leandro Barbosa and Jason Collins. We wish Jordan only the very best and we hate to see him go. But in this league, in order to acquire skilled veteran talent, you have to also part with some talent too.

Leandro and Jason play the game the right way. They will be stabilizing influences in the locker room. And they're pieces that will mix well with our young talent to help us improve in our future. Welcome Leandro and Jason to the team.


The funny thing is that these two won't be on the team after this yr.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#143 » by Halcyon » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:00 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm struggling to find any rationale, and sense, any reason whatsoever for this trade and I can't find it. Even the "Avoid Luxtax Theory" doesn't make sense. Prior to the trade, the Wizards were in position to have a payroll of $62.7M next year (assuming a #5 pick). That's for 11 players. Add in two 2nd round picks and a full MLE deal for Webster (which is probably overpaying) and that only gets us to $68.8M. The luxtax threshold is $70.3M. WE COULDN'T HAVE EXCEEDED THE LUXTAX EVEN IF WE TRIED!

Shaving Crawford's $2.16M salary commitment makes no difference whatsoever.

Another head-scratcher in a long line of senseless moves. Again, this is a minor move so it's probably not a big deal, but it's yet another example of how EG squanders minor assets. This is like dumping the #46 pick, or signing Yi, or the drafting of Satoranski, or trading the Memphis pick for Crittenton. All those little failures add up.

It's the tip of the iceberg, as far as I'm concerned. These failures really show the lack of attention to detail that a GM needs. This mindset must trickle down to every part of the organization.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#144 » by MJG » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:04 pm

Halcyon wrote:
pineappleheadindc wrote:Ted's Take tonight:

Today we traded Jordan Crawford to the Celtics for Leandro Barbosa and Jason Collins. We wish Jordan only the very best and we hate to see him go. But in this league, in order to acquire skilled veteran talent, you have to also part with some talent too.

Leandro and Jason play the game the right way. They will be stabilizing influences in the locker room. And they're pieces that will mix well with our young talent to help us improve in our future. Welcome Leandro and Jason to the team.
This is so accurate, it's scary. Is that you Ted's ghostwriter?

I was just skimming the recent posts, and no joke, I thought that pine's post actually was the real Ted's Take on this trade, until I saw this follow up post :o
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#145 » by popper » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:04 pm

There's got to be more to this deal than has been reported. It makes no sense otherwise.
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Post#146 » by WizardsWorld » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:08 pm

Ya can't understand why we couldn't at least get back a freakin 2nd rounder here..... And to think a month ago I was highlighting Crawford as the prize in a Derrick Williams trade package :(
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#147 » by LyricalRico » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:08 pm

Scratching my head a bit on this one. I guess Ted just wanted to eliminate a contract and this was the one he could? But ultimately, Crawford's presence doesn't make or break the team so I'm not worried about it. If the theories of him doing something unforgivable in the locker room or practice are true, then the message dumping him sends to the rest of the team could actually end up being more valuable than a late second round pick or any cash considerations.

Hey, if Crawford ends up helping the Celtics, maybe we can call in a favor from Ainge in the offseason. :D
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Post#148 » by montestewart » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:17 pm

tontoz wrote:Collins' current PER is 3.01. He hasn't had a PER over 6 since 2005.

PER's overrated
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Post#149 » by keynote » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:17 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Scratching my head a bit on this one. I guess Ted just wanted to eliminate a contract and this was the one he could? But ultimately, Crawford's presence doesn't make or break the team so I'm not worried about it. If the theories of him doing something unforgivable in the locker room or practice are true, then the message dumping him sends to the rest of the team could actually end up being more valuable than a late second round pick or any cash considerations.

Hey, if Crawford ends up helping the Celtics, maybe we can call in a favor from Ainge in the offseason. :D


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Post#150 » by Halcyon » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:21 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Scratching my head a bit on this one. I guess Ted just wanted to eliminate a contract and this was the one he could? But ultimately, Crawford's presence doesn't make or break the team so I'm not worried about it. If the theories of him doing something unforgivable in the locker room or practice are true, then the message dumping him sends to the rest of the team could actually end up being more valuable than a late second round pick or any cash considerations.

Hey, if Crawford ends up helping the Celtics, maybe we can call in a favor from Ainge in the offseason. :D

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Post#151 » by FAH1223 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:24 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Scratching my head a bit on this one. I guess Ted just wanted to eliminate a contract and this was the one he could? But ultimately, Crawford's presence doesn't make or break the team so I'm not worried about it. If the theories of him doing something unforgivable in the locker room or practice are true, then the message dumping him sends to the rest of the team could actually end up being more valuable than a late second round pick or any cash considerations.

Hey, if Crawford ends up helping the Celtics, maybe we can call in a favor from Ainge in the offseason. :D

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Post#152 » by closg00 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:25 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Scratching my head a bit on this one. I guess Ted just wanted to eliminate a contract and this was the one he could? But ultimately, Crawford's presence doesn't make or break the team so I'm not worried about it. If the theories of him doing something unforgivable in the locker room or practice are true, then the message dumping him sends to the rest of the team could actually end up being more valuable than a late second round pick or any cash considerations.

Hey, if Crawford ends up helping the Celtics, maybe we can call in a favor from Ainge in the offseason. :D


The list is long of teams that "owe us"

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Post#153 » by DMVleGeND » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:32 pm

closg00 wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Scratching my head a bit on this one. I guess Ted just wanted to eliminate a contract and this was the one he could? But ultimately, Crawford's presence doesn't make or break the team so I'm not worried about it. If the theories of him doing something unforgivable in the locker room or practice are true, then the message dumping him sends to the rest of the team could actually end up being more valuable than a late second round pick or any cash considerations.

Hey, if Crawford ends up helping the Celtics, maybe we can call in a favor from Ainge in the offseason. :D


The list is long of teams that "owe us"

Minny
New Orleans
Boston


And the Clippers for giving them Nick Young for nothing.
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Post#154 » by pancakes3 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:33 pm

a) The list of other trades ahead of the Wizards' trade on the wiretap is depressing. Anthony Morrow, Erick Maynor, even JJ Reddick.

b) The picture on the wiretap for us is Ainge with the biggest grin ever photographically recorded. He's practically pulling the Jordan shrug from the '92 playoffs.

c) How on earth is KG going to tolerate JC?
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Post#155 » by FAH1223 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:36 pm

DMVleGeND wrote:And the Clippers for giving them Nick Young for nothing.


pretty sure we got a 2nd round pick and EG gave it away :x
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Post#156 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:40 pm

DMVleGeND wrote:
closg00 wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Scratching my head a bit on this one. I guess Ted just wanted to eliminate a contract and this was the one he could? But ultimately, Crawford's presence doesn't make or break the team so I'm not worried about it. If the theories of him doing something unforgivable in the locker room or practice are true, then the message dumping him sends to the rest of the team could actually end up being more valuable than a late second round pick or any cash considerations.

Hey, if Crawford ends up helping the Celtics, maybe we can call in a favor from Ainge in the offseason. :D


The list is long of teams that "owe us"

Minny
New Orleans
Boston


And the Clippers for giving them Nick Young for nothing.

The Wizards got the Clippers' 2015 2nd rounder. That wasn't a bad deal since it was just a 25-game rental of Young.
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Post#157 » by Illuminaire » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:45 pm

popper wrote:There's got to be more to this deal than has been reported. It makes no sense otherwise.


If I had a penny for every time that's been said about an EG trade, I would own my own NBA franchise.
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Post#158 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:48 pm

It's actually Charlotte's 2015 2nd round pick (which the Clippers had somehow previously acquired).
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Post#159 » by nuposse04 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:50 pm

Ruzious wrote:It's actually Charlotte's 2015 2nd round pick (which the Clippers had somehow previously acquired).


they'll have wiggins or parker by then, so it prolly won't be as useful to us.
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Post#160 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:54 pm

Ruzious wrote:It's actually Charlotte's 2015 2nd round pick (which the Clippers had somehow previously acquired).

Actually, it's the New Orleans pick. Which really sucks because by then, they'll be a playoff team

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