Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

Post #161 » by **kingkirk** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:54 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
DanTown8587 wrote:Seems weird that Reggie Rose is calling out the rest of the team when his brother

- Shot 40% against the Heat
- Got injured the next year

Rose shooting a low% against Miami kinda makes Reggie's point. Rose had to shoot for volume because nobody else was capable of scoring, playmaking or shotcreating. It was Rose vs. the World.

I see your point Red, and i agree, but without those teammates, who are good players but not enough, Derrick doesn't go to the ECF, he doesn't have back to back most wins in a season, he likely doesn't have an MVP, and he doesn't land that filthy big contract.

Yes, we need to get better if we want to beat Miami or OKC, but the guys that he is ripping on here also helped his little brother rise up the ranks so quickly, which in turned made Reggie a rich fat cat.

Some perspective and appreciate from the Rose camp, for a 24 year old kid, would be nice right about now.

WinCity · Post #162 » by **WinCity** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:54 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:Quite frankly, Reggie needs to shut the *uck up. I could care less whether their family have been positioned as nice folks, and Reggie is his manager or what not, but it never EVER helps do go behind peoples backs and right to the media to dish out your dirt - it's a b*tch ass move and doesn't ever help.

Who is to say he hasnt repeatedly expressed this sentiment to GarPax? It may very well be that they have been doing so the past few years and grew frustrated with the in-action. Kobe did the same thing in calling out LA's approach and it ended up with him winning 2 more titles. I hope Rose putting pressure on GarPax leads to the same.

Googjob · Post #163 » by **Googjob** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:54 pm

I think much of Reggie's criticisms of the Bulls are valid. They don't care a ton about winning. This isn't the first star to have an issue with the front office. Heck, they all do at some point (MJ, Scottie).

But one thing that does bother me is the talk of Derrick giving his heart and soul. That's fair, but so do others. Joakim is playing 40 minutes a night with plantar fascitis. Deng has played over a year with a torn ligament in his wrist. Difference is that they go out and play hard every night and don't whine about help. Or have their family members talk smack because they are too cowardly to do it themselves.

Red Larrivee · Post #164 » by **Red Larrivee** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:55 pm

kuly1990 wrote:you know what, guys can pass the ball too

They aren't playmakers with the ball.

DanTown8587 wrote:I'm simply stating that Derrick Rose hasn't really relegated himself to NBA hell. He's had good teams. Losing in the Conference Finals isn't exactly some major disappointment, especially when Rose didn't play well and was hurt at the time.

He said the Bulls need more. How do you get more? One way would be Derrick Rose is, you know, healthy and effective?

I think this is a chicken or the egg thing right now. The Bulls aren't in NBA hell. Rose could play better. One way Rose could play better is by surrounding him with talent that will ease the burden he has offensively. If not, Rose will shoot for volume and the Bulls will lose.

Post #165 » by **kingkirk** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:55 pm

CousinOfDeath wrote:
Getting rid of Boozer in any way shape or form would be a start. There isn't a fix-all move, but giving us some cap space so we can have more flexibility with trades would open up a world of possibilities. Cap space flexibility is what got the Rockets the #5 overall pick from this year for peanuts. It's not wise to have 40 million+ tied up in 3 players who can't provide an efficient second scoring option on offense. A team like that will never beat the Heat.

Sure, but those moves right there aren't win now moves, and make us worse in the short term for at least 2 years.

What then?

Reggie wants to deal for a known star right now, which just isn't possible.

Ralphb07 · Post #166 » by **Ralphb07** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:55 pm

Here's my take and I could be wrong. I think it's more to do with the Bulls looking to salary dump players to get under the tax and wonder if Reggie's rant was before the 3pm deadline. They probably don't like hearing the Bulls are looking to dump players from this team to save money. Could not making any moves be a good thing and in the right direction? We're paying the tax this year and probably going to add a 15th player once the cuts happen, making our payroll increase.

Basically Reggie is saying no more small market thinking and start making moves to win. This summer is going to be interesting. Does this force the Bulls to use the TPE and other exceptions while keeping Boozer to improve this club

Ben Wilson25 · Post #167 » by **Ben Wilson25** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:56 pm

I have to assume Reggie is privvy to a lot more info than we are. Since this seems pretty out of character from how he has conducted himself the past couple of years I would guess this is in response to something that was on the table that the Bulls passed on that Derrick and/or his camp were in favor of.

If its just Reggie saying "DO SOMETHING", then that's pretty dumb. Its always a possibility but I'd say the odds are better that this is a calculated move based on a specific situation. Its a big risk from a PR perspective and they'd be fools not to see how Dwight's Q score plummeted once his good guy image was blown.

WestsideResider · Post #168 » by **WestsideResider** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:56 pm

He's 100% right.

jc23 · Post #169 » by **jc23** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:56 pm

man if we get blown out tonight everything will be amplified.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #170 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:56 pm

unc1120 wrote:Sorry King Cuban but you are wrong,

Many on this board (like myself) have said time after time to go after players like monta ellis, oj mayo, steve nash, carmelo anthony, etc.... I know sometimes trades can't be completed, but our office simply is afraid to make a move for an impact scorer.

I couldn't agree more with Reggie. We continue to ignore the fact that we need a Scoring guard irrespective of if he is a great defender or complete player. We are redundant with too many system players that can't create their own shot.

But to say we haven't suggested alternatives is wrong. You just shoot them down every time because you defend the bulls management all the time.... The same bulls management that would be fired if they hadn't 1.7% lucked into rose.

Talk is cheap. Who are you trading for these guys? Why would anyone have wanted Steve Nash on this team? I mean WTF? Monta Ellis is a terrible basketball player who is a poorer version of Derrick Rose. OJ Mayo has come back down to earth after his hot start - not seeing why people are still dry-humping him.

pb-ceo · Post #171 » by **pb-ceo** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:56 pm

TrippyTip wrote:We all know that D. Rose values winning over everything. I legitimately think he may leave in 4 years if the Bulls haven't won a title. And could you really blame him? Whether you want to admit it or not, we all know that we can't win a title with this team.

I think he better pull his weight in the playoffs or the Bulls might welcome that decision. :lol:

D_GoLow · Post #172 » by **D_GoLow** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:57 pm

KingCuban wrote:
CousinOfDeath wrote:
Getting rid of Boozer in any way shape or form would be a start. There isn't a fix-all move, but giving us some cap space so we can have more flexibility with trades would open up a world of possibilities. Cap space flexibility is what got the Rockets the #5 overall pick from this year for peanuts. It's not wise to have 40 million+ tied up in 3 players who can't provide an efficient second scoring option on offense. A team like that will never beat the Heat.

Sure, but those moves right there aren't win now moves, and make us worse in the short term for at least 2 years.

What then?

Reggie wants to deal for a known star right now, which just isn't possible.

They shouldve traded Boozer for Harden when they had the chance, obviously!

deputy · Post #173 » by **deputy** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:57 pm

The problem with Reggie saying he's speaking for himself and not his brother is that his brother is quiet, reserved, and even when he speaks - doesn't say much at all.

So something like this is going to be huge news in Chicago.

If Reggie is part of the "inner circle" here, he's got to know better.

Post #174 » by **kingkirk** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:57 pm

unc1120 wrote:Sorry King Cuban but you are wrong,

Many on this board (like myself) have said time after time to go after players like monta ellis, oj mayo, steve nash, carmelo anthony, etc.... I know sometimes trades can't be completed, but our office simply is afraid to make a move for an impact scorer.

I couldn't agree more with Reggie. We continue to ignore the fact that we need a Scoring guard irrespective of if he is a great defender or complete player. We are redundant with too many system players that can't create their own shot.

But to say we haven't suggested alternatives is wrong. You just shoot them down every time because you defend the bulls management all the time.... The same bulls management that would be fired if they hadn't 1.7% lucked into rose.

I said we never had any opportunities to make deals that make this team better.

Trading or signing the guys mentioned is a lateral move to me, and were still behind Miami and OKC with those guys.

Googjob · Post #175 » by **Googjob** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:57 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:Basically Reggie is saying no more small market thinking and start making moves to win. This summer is going to be interesting. Does this force the Bulls to use the TPE and other exceptions while keeping Boozer to improve this club

If they wouldn't drop the small market thinking for Michael Jordan, they aren't going to do it for Derrick Rose. The Bulls and Reinsdorf are who they are.

AAU Teammate · Post #176 » by **AAU Teammate** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:57 pm

"I want the Bulls to do something stupid with the Charlotte pick"

That is basicallywhat i'm hearing here

For all the talk on this board, how often have we actually heard about teams ...actually wanting this wildly protected pick? Not many.

Right now, moves aren't even getting done for unprotected picks. It's a whole new NBA now.

organix85 · Post #177 » by **organix85** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:57 pm

BIGGIEsmalls 23 wrote:
red222 wrote:
Ctownbulls wrote:He is right.

he is misinformed the general opinion is correct what mystery move was there to make

Get rid of Boozer or Deng. Rose needs a 2nd consistent scorer.

I'm glad that he's speaking up. Rose has no #2. He has #3s and #4s as his sidekicks.

Holy crap... it is rare that you and I agree... unless I'm being trolled.

umfan83 · Post #178 » by **umfan83** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:57 pm

3 years ago Rose only lightly recruited LeBron because he didnt want to show up his teammates, and now we're supposed to believe Rose is going to hold back his return and is angry about not dumping his teammates?

I dunno....I do remember rumors on here that GarPax visited Rose after the ECF 2 years ago and Rose was supposedly anxious to add a shooting guard to help him win. It's possible his viewpoint changed after a) experiencing the feeling of getting close to a title and b) after being minimized and humbled in the miami series due to a lack of a second option

pb-ceo · Post #179 » by **pb-ceo** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:57 pm

Derrick is turning into Dwight Howard before our very eyes!

GoBlue72391 · Post #180 » by **GoBlue72391** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:59 pm

I'm ranting at this point, but this has got me pissed off.

Guys like Lu, Jo, and Kirk are playing through a myriad of injuries for the good of the team and Reggie has the audacity to say "I hate to see my brother giving his heart and soul for the team only for them to put nothing around him."

Seriously, eff him.