Redick, Ayon & Smith to the Bucks for Harris, Lamb and Udrih

[BigDoggyStyle]

Sportsnation poll over who won the trade: 74% Mil, 16% Orl, 10% push.

99% don't know any of the players in the trade except Redick.

[whatthe_buck!?]

I'm not sure why anyone would expect Ellis' minutes to decline in any noticeable way.

Because the coach prefers greater efficiency that he gets from JJR? Seriously if Ellis is used as instant offense off the bench, the Bucks will be dangerous in the East.

You know, I think this is right. Unless the FO gives Boylan a mandate for playing Monta at the end of games, I don't think Boylan will have him out there at crunchtime if for no other reason than what Boylan witnessed firsthand Monta doing in crunchtime in the two Nets games...

[El Duderino]

Because the coach prefers greater efficiency that he gets from JJR? Seriously if Ellis is used as instant offense off the bench, the Bucks will be dangerous in the East.

The problem with that Epi is that even off the bench, Ellis as "instant offense" means just lots of empty possessions as he moronically tosses up one bricked jumper after another early in the shot clock.

[europa]

Because the coach prefers greater efficiency that he gets from JJR? Seriously if Ellis is used as instant offense off the bench, the Bucks will be dangerous in the East.

The problem with that Epi is that even off the bench, Ellis as "instant offense" means just lots of empty possessions as he moronically tosses up one bricked jumper after another early in the shot clock.

This too. The primary problem with Ellis isn't his role. It's who Monta Ellis perceives himself to be. Playing him off the bench, which I'd be surprised to see happen, isn't likely to change that. Not on this team anyway.

[Epicurus]

Because the coach prefers greater efficiency that he gets from JJR? Seriously if Ellis is used as instant offense off the bench, the Bucks will be dangerous in the East.

The problem with that Epi is that even off the bench, Ellis as "instant offense" means just lots of empty possessions as he moronically tosses up one bricked jumper after another early in the shot clock.

Doubtlessly true, but the beauty of that role (instant offense role) is when you negate possessions and not enhance them, you are removed with a quick hook.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Because the coach prefers greater efficiency that he gets from JJR? Seriously if Ellis is used as instant offense off the bench, the Bucks will be dangerous in the East.

The problem with that Epi is that even off the bench, Ellis as "instant offense" means just lots of empty possessions as he moronically tosses up one bricked jumper after another early in the shot clock.

Yeah, he's a negitive anytime he's on the floor just about, but having him on the bench in the last 5 minutes of games with a Jennings/Redick backcourt is a HUGE improvement as far as the watchability of this team. Not convinced Monta is on the bench in crunchtime however...

[randy84]

And if Monta is banished to the bench to end games, then he is going to pout and turn toxic ala SJax.

This trade did absolutely nothing except cause a bad situation to possibly turn worse. Ellis isn't going to stop trying to be lead dog and he surely isn't going to share shots with Brandon AND Redick. Someone is going to get mad about lack of shots.

The Bucks still have no low post presence and still don't have anyone to go to the rim save for when Monta gets a wild burr up his arse.

[europa]

The fact Ellis wasn't part of the final offer the Bucks made for Smith would seem to provide at least some semblance of a sign his role on the team isn't going to significantly diminish.

[Bernman]

Every trade deadline brings more hope going in, more despair coming out.

This trade is a microcosm of this organization. Leaning toward win now, but half assed in that direction. Pick a direction and commit to it almost wholeheartedly. Invest more and net more in return to achieve your goals.

As it is, in the case of this trade, they dealt young players with some promise for a veteran with some benefit. And if that is the trade-off, I'll take my chance on the young players with some promise, because they are under contract for a lot longer, and look how Larry suddenly developed as a prospect. Tobes has a season less experience and is a few years younger. If he breaks out we'll be kicking ourselves. He did show more promise than Larry.

If I didn't love this franchise, I'd hate this franchise.

[El Duderino]

Because the coach prefers greater efficiency that he gets from JJR? Seriously if Ellis is used as instant offense off the bench, the Bucks will be dangerous in the East.

The problem with that Epi is that even off the bench, Ellis as "instant offense" means just lots of empty possessions as he moronically tosses up one bricked jumper after another early in the shot clock.

This too. The primary problem with Ellis isn't his role. It's who Monta Ellis perceives himself to be. Playing him off the bench, which I'd be surprised to see happen, isn't likely to change that. Not on this team anyway.

Monta just can't shoot anymore for whatever reason.

He's always been a lower basketball IQ player that liked taking to many jumpers instead attacking the paint more. That said, in the past he could at least hit those jumpers more often than he can now. He's shooting a shockingly bad 22% from three this year, after hitting above 30% his last four years in Golden St. Yet, even with that much bricking, he's still dumb enough to jack up 3.5 threes a game, along with countless long twos.

[europa]

As it is, in the case of this trade, they dealt young players with some promise for a veteran with some benefit. And if that is the trade-off, I'll take my chance on the young players with some promise, because they are under contract for a lot longer, and look how Larry suddenly developed as a prospect. Tobes has a season less experience and is a few years younger. If he breaks out we'll be kicking ourselves. He did show more promise than Larry.

The Mavs got Anthony Morrow and all they had to part with was Dahntay Jones. I like Redick but the asking price the Bucks paid which no other team in the league was willing to surrender was too steep in my opinion. The Morrow trade shows there were other options available that would have cost less and still put the short-term thinking Bucks in line to accomplish their primary goal for this season.

[Sherman Douglas]

The right thing to do would probably be to update the thread title just in case anyone gets off work and comes here to find out what happens and sees "Smith" in the thread title...

[emunney]

This trade is fine. The fact that this is it is what's totally ridiculous. It's like we're actively trying to be the most mediocre team.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

Or maybe he got banished because he just wasn't that good. And I'm sure if he puts up some solid games in ORL this board will blow up with rage, but when Redick is producing there it's because he's a product of a bad team.

My frustration has nothing to do with Redick's abilities. I really like him as a player. He instantly becomes our best or second best shooter, he's smart, unselfish, and an underrated defender. A lot like Dunleavy, who I also really like.

The problem is we only get 3 months of redick, we'll get bounced in the first round (as we would have without redick) and then he leaves for nothing. And even if we do sign him to a long term deal, it means we could have just waited 3 months and not given up anything to get him.

It's an indefensible trade. Period.

I'm not intending to "defend" the trade...yet. My point is that Tobias just isn't as good as people on this board want to believe, and his value around the league is very diminished because of that. So I don't consider giving him up in this situation that much of a loss. And if Redick were to resign at a reasonable price, then I'd say it was totally worth it and until Tobias would prove otherwise, we got the better end of the deal.

He's just 20 and still has a lot of time to develop, the book is not out on Tobias yet. In a year Tobias will be as old as Curry when he was drafted as a rookie. If he has low value then why trade him. Even if the percentages are low about Tobias developing into a good player he is still not worth giving up for 3 months of Redick. If I had to go out on a limb I would say that Tobias will develop into a solid NBA player.

[BucksRUS]

I'm sort of at whatever, when it come to this team. We will see how the FA guards fare for the last games this year. Sure hope that Monta takes his ETO and leaves to another team. I may be more interested then.

[LUKE23]

So our offseason will likely consist of:

1. Matching Jennings on an overpaid deal
2. Overpaying JJ Redick
3. Drafting around #16
4. Use the rest of our FA money to nab a non-star

[europa]

He's just 20 and still has a lot of time to develop, the book is not out on Tobias yet.

Again, if this forum had its way Sanders would've been dumped for a 10th-round pick in the summer. He was another young player who had shown promise and simply needed a legitimate opportunity. Once he got it he's been the team's best player this season. Maybe Harris ends up being a bum. Or maybe he's another Sanders. But given his age, offensive ability and upside there's no way I'd be giving up on him now.

[LUKE23]

Redick is 29 before next season. I have zero interest in giving him a long-term deal, even though we will. Would have much rather watched Harris, a guy 8 years younger, develop into an efficient 15 ppg guy.

[randy84]

Love his defense.

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[Sherman Douglas]

Redick is 29 before next season. I have zero interest in giving him a long-term deal, even though we will. Would have much rather watched Harris, a guy 8 years younger, develop into an efficient 15 ppg guy.

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