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Post#201 » by hands11 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:09 am

Just watched the video.

That was awesome.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#202 » by zardsfan » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:10 am

14 pages to complain about a trade that really doesn't affect the team one way or another. Crawford will not be missed... we can be mediocre with or without him. I think there is some value in getting rid of knuckleheads though, and I suspect that Crawford fits that profile to some degree. I won't lose any sleep over this trade.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#203 » by TGW » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:25 am

zardsfan wrote:14 pages to complain about a trade that really doesn't affect the team one way or another. Crawford will not be missed... we can be mediocre with or without him. I think there is some value in getting rid of knuckleheads though, and I suspect that Crawford fits that profile to some degree. I won't lose any sleep over this trade.


You're right...at the end of the day, this one single trade means pretty much nothing in the W-L column. The reason people are b*tching over the trade is because it's symptomatic of what's wrong with the Wizards front office. They constantly misjudge talent, squander assets, and miss opportunities to add talent to the roster. They give away players and picks, but have no problem taking another team's trash. They squabble over some pennies but trade an expiring contract for two bloated overpaid contracts. In other words, it seems as though they have absolutely no direction for this team. Just look at my signature—they were calling this guy a building block not too long ago, and now they traded him for nothing. To me, that screams mismanagement.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#204 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:50 am

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Cut that out. :evil:

Ha! i just dont understand why he didnt wanna pay for a guy 7'0 very young with mad potential at C and for all we know could of been at best a really good bench player or maybe eventually a future player@.

This aspect of the move doesn't bother me at all. Fab Melo wasn't even good enough to be the 12th man on Boston's roster. I don't consider that "mad potential". I think it's pretty likely that Melo either won't last in the league past his rookie year, or if he does, it'll be as a journeyman a la Aaron Gray or someone like that. By the time he's NBA ready, he'll be available as a free agent.

Smart teams don't waste their time and resources developing a guy who is only going to pan out to be a journeyman. The wise thing to do is to let someone else develop them, and then sign them when they're free agents.
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Post#205 » by willbcocks » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:50 am

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zardsfan wrote:14 pages to complain about a trade that really doesn't affect the team one way or another. Crawford will not be missed... we can be mediocre with or without him. I think there is some value in getting rid of knuckleheads though, and I suspect that Crawford fits that profile to some degree. I won't lose any sleep over this trade.


You're right...at the end of the day, this one single trade means pretty much nothing in the W-L column. The reason people are b*tching over the trade is because it's symptomatic of what's wrong with the Wizards front office. They constantly misjudge talent, squander assets, and miss opportunities to add talent to the roster. They give away players and picks, but have no problem taking another team's trash. They squabble over some pennies but trade an expiring contract for two bloated overpaid contracts. In other words, it seems as though they have absolutely no direction for this team. Just look at my signature—they were calling this guy a building block not too long ago, and now they traded him for nothing. To me, that screams mismanagement.


You're right. But, we already have enough evidence. If we were the prosecution and this a trial, we rested our case long ago. The problem is that the judge is too busy patting himself on the back in his chambers to read the arguments.

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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING 

Post#206 » by AFM » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:50 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x8cOjDtl68[/youtube]


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Post#207 » by BruceO » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:51 am

barbosas expiring right? can't we turn around and trade him for a team that don't want long term money?
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Post#208 » by closg00 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:52 am

Washington: D

It's hard to see the logic here from Washington's perspective. Crawford did apparently want a trade, and he punctuated his Wizards career by tossing his jersey into the stands after Tuesday's loss to Toronto in frustration over being benched. Nonetheless, it's difficult to believe that this is the best Washington could get for him: two expiring contracts of players who have no value.

The Wizards may point to shedding the last year of Crawford's contract, but we're talking about $2.2 million for a team that's not likely to have more space under the cap than the midlevel exception anyway. You don't trade players on their rookie contracts to save money. If Washington couldn't deal with Crawford anymore, why not send him home and try to trade him at the draft?

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?w=1cmvc& ... i=TOP&wjb=
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Post#209 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:01 am

closg00 wrote:
Washington: D

It's hard to see the logic here from Washington's perspective. Crawford did apparently want a trade, and he punctuated his Wizards career by tossing his jersey into the stands after Tuesday's loss to Toronto in frustration over being benched. Nonetheless, it's difficult to believe that this is the best Washington could get for him: two expiring contracts of players who have no value.

The Wizards may point to shedding the last year of Crawford's contract, but we're talking about $2.2 million for a team that's not likely to have more space under the cap than the midlevel exception anyway. You don't trade players on their rookie contracts to save money. If Washington couldn't deal with Crawford anymore, why not send him home and try to trade him at the draft?

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?w=1cmvc& ... i=TOP&wjb=

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Post#210 » by TGW » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:03 am

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... /index.jsp

Ernie seems to think chemistry is very important to a 15-37 team.

Anyway, he's pretty much saying Crawford is a locker room cancer. It only took him 2 seasons to figure this out, unlike Blatche, which took 6 seasons. I guess that's progress. :-?
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Post#211 » by hands11 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:05 am

closg00 wrote:
Washington: D

It's hard to see the logic here from Washington's perspective. Crawford did apparently want a trade, and he punctuated his Wizards career by tossing his jersey into the stands after Tuesday's loss to Toronto in frustration over being benched. Nonetheless, it's difficult to believe that this is the best Washington could get for him: two expiring contracts of players who have no value.

The Wizards may point to shedding the last year of Crawford's contract, but we're talking about $2.2 million for a team that's not likely to have more space under the cap than the midlevel exception anyway. You don't trade players on their rookie contracts to save money. If Washington couldn't deal with Crawford anymore, why not send him home and try to trade him at the draft?

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?w=1cmvc& ... i=TOP&wjb=


Look. Its clear his humped back posture and shades during post game interviews was a problem. And if we wanted a player that shoots early in the shot clock from long rang and likes throwing his jersey in the stands, we would have kept Gil.
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Post#212 » by dangermouse » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:07 am

Just heard about the trade and to be quite honest I am pretty neutral on it.

I see someone posted the vid of Crawford's game winner. So, to all those who think this is a bad trade and we should have kept him around, he might have won that game for us...

but how many games have we lost since he arrived because he shot us out of it?

I'm happy we got a savvy veteran shooter like Barbosa to replace him, and now I am fine with us drafting another SG, since that seems to be the position of most strength in the upcoming draft.
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Post#213 » by AFM » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:09 am

Dangermouse, Barbosa is out with a torn ACL and his contract expires this summer. He won't ever be a "savvy veteran shooter" for us. He'll never play for us.

Your second point is a good one though.
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Post#214 » by hands11 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:11 am

dangermouse wrote:Just heard about the trade and to be quite honest I am pretty neutral on it.

I see someone posted the vid of Crawford's game winner. So, to all those who think this is a bad trade and we should have kept him around, he might have won that game for us...

but how many games have we lost since he arrived because he shot us out of it?

I'm happy we got a savvy veteran shooter like Barbosa to replace him, and now I am fine with us drafting another SG, since that seems to be the position of most strength in the upcoming draft.


Trading him now doesn't change that. We could have still drafted a SG if we wanted. It isn't a matter of trading him. Its about when and for what.

Now we sit back and see how this works out.
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Post#215 » by nuposse04 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:19 am

So what is Almond up to these days....
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Post#216 » by jivelikenice » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:30 am

hands11 wrote:
dangermouse wrote:Just heard about the trade and to be quite honest I am pretty neutral on it.

I see someone posted the vid of Crawford's game winner. So, to all those who think this is a bad trade and we should have kept him around, he might have won that game for us...

but how many games have we lost since he arrived because he shot us out of it?

I'm happy we got a savvy veteran shooter like Barbosa to replace him, and now I am fine with us drafting another SG, since that seems to be the position of most strength in the upcoming draft.


Trading him now doesn't change that. We could have still drafted a SG if we wanted. It isn't a matter of trading him. Its about when and for what.

Now we sit back and see how this works out.


GMs know what type of player he is....at most we cost ourselves a 2nd rd pick IMO...
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Post#217 » by rockymac52 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:31 am

At least this opens up a lot more minutes for Cartier Martin whenever he's healthy enough to play again (should be soon, right?).
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Post#218 » by rockymac52 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:32 am

Also, we're just going to cut Barbosa now, right? That way we can at least sign another D-League player or something.
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Post#219 » by rockymac52 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:38 am

Also, (trying desperately to find some positive here), at least Collins is an elite defender. He's absolutely worthless on offense, but is legitimately one of the best defenders in the league.

Synergy says he's the 10th most efficient defender in the entire NBA this season, and the 2nd best with at least 100 plays "against" him. Still a small sample size, but hey, I'll grasping for straws here.

With that said, the last thing we needed was another big man. I'm sorry.
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Post#220 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:48 am

rockymac52 wrote:Also, (trying desperately to find some positive here), at least Collins is an elite defender. He's absolutely worthless on offense, but is legitimately one of the best defenders in the league.

Synergy says he's the 10th most efficient defender in the entire NBA this season, and the 2nd best with at least 100 plays "against" him. Still a small sample size, but hey, I'll grasping for straws here.

With that said, the last thing we needed was another big man. I'm sorry.

He's an elite post defender, though there aren't too many post threats these days. He's not really a help defender though. He doesn't block shots.

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