Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Rerisen]

I'm not mad at Rose, I just don't get the mentality of some around here that Rose can literally do no wrong. We're just supposed to shrug and let him say/do whatever he wants about the FO?

He's not saying whatever. It's his brother saying something, and saying something pretty obviously true. Bulls didn't think they had a real shot this year and downgraded on talent to get cheaper players.

As far as 'do' whatever, no, he shouldn't sit out the year because of it. But I don't think he is really going to. I think he is going to rebuke the comments first, which he kind of already has, then come back, reviving the love of Bulls fans, but having it be made known that he wants to see more imminent action going forward on making the team better.

[GetBuLLish]

Wade was reportedly pretty pissed about the 2010 plan. Despite that, he never complained publicly and stated both publicly and privately to Lebron and Bosh how much he loved the Miami organization. It obviously worked.

If Rose wants to create a Wade-like team he is going to have to act like Wade, not like Dwight.

You are honestly grasping at straws.

Not only is it incredibly unlikely that a player will refuse to play for the Bulls because of Reggie's comments, but it's not Rose's damn job to publicly cover up for the Bulls' continual mid-market management.

You're acting like Reggie just broke some breaking news about the Bulls. Any person who watches and follows the NBA regularly knows that the Bulls run their team like a mid-market team. Rose pretending otherwise won't fool anyone but the biggest of idiots.

On the other hand, publicly complaining does create a small chance that it forces the Bulls to actually change its ways. And if they do that and Rose still complains, then you may be onto something.

[The Kane]

Chuck bashin Reggie!!!!

[BullsFTW]

@WinCity

Agreed. I think the overall sentiment Reggie expressed is a long time coming, and entirely necessary to get a philosophy change from JR. The details of what he said were practically nonsense. But then again he is not really an analyst so much as a loyalist to Derrick. In the end I think this will work out for the best. Surely GarPaxDorf are going to want to sit down with Rose and make sure all is well. Rose will reaffirm his desire to see the FO do more to build a title team. Publicly though Rose will not criticize either the Bulls or Reggie. This could have been much more thoughtfully stated by Reggie, but I think the overall message will get across.

I agree. We all panicked that nothing was done at the deadline. But why sacrifice your assets for talents that may not get you over the Heat. If Love becomes available this Summer, the Bulls will pursue hard to acquire him.

[patagonia]

Chuck going HAM on Reggie.

[ryan44]

OK, let's look at the team that Reggie cited, the Miami Heat. How were they created? Well, they tanked for huge capspace in 2010. Then, their leader spent literally years working over the best players in the game trying to get them to join him. Once convinced, that player took less than a max contract to make sure it all worked.

Rose? He sent Lebron a text and left Wade a voicemail. When the new Rose-rule was put in place, he gladly gobbled up a full max contract putting Chicago into lux tax land creating problems for things like sign and trades.

If Rose and his team aren't happy about looking up at the Miami Heat, they need to look in the mirror.

I don't think I need to pull out my front office bashing credentials. I'll call them out but what Reggie Rose did today was completely and utterly ridiculous. Beyond that, it lacked any amount of nuance or intelligence. If he really wanted to build a winner in Chicago:
- He should have been pushing much harder in 2010, his best chance
- He should have been putting on public pressure this summer or before the trade deadline (you know, when the Bulls could have done something) and done so in a constructive fashion. His quotes sound less intelligent and informed than my 10 year old son.

For those that are bringing up Cleveland . . . think about it. They gave a near max contract to Larry Hughes to get a second creator. They went all in for guys like Jamison to put shooters around Lebron. They got Mo Williams. They catered to every whim of Lebron and Maverick and it didn't work because they were all stupid panic moves made to placate Lebron. You guys wanting to trade the Charlotte pick for the likes of JJ Reddick and his expiring deal are pushing the same things . . . if not worse.

Man, I can't wait for tonight. This is going to be hot on TNT. Reggie Rose just nuked his brother's image. This is Dwight territory if not worse (Dwight was always PC in public). Rose would have done less damage by raping someone like Kobe did.

I think that last part in bold is a severe overreaction.

Derrick is not his brother. He's not demanding a trade, he's not asking out, he's not moping around. This will blow over.

You're assuming Derrick has no control over his brother, and that he's not playing a PR game.

[MAQ]

Media pretty much killing Reggie though, lol.

First Kerr who said "who cares". Then Chuck telling him to shut the hell up and Ernie chiming in with the I agree.

I guess managers should stfu though.

[DuckIII]

True story: My 9 year old son wanted to know why I was so focused on my computer tonight. So I told him that a lot of people were reacting to Derrick Rose's (my son's favorite player) brother suggestion that Derrick might not play again this year because he's not sure if the team is good enough to win a title.

My son responded with a question: "Why do the Bulls need to win a championship for Derrick to be proud of his teammates?"

[kingkirk]

By the way, to Coldfish, Ryan, and anyone else arguing that Reggie's statements will hurt recruiting because they paint the FO in a bad light:

Remember how Michael Jordan constantly trashed and humiliated Jerry Krause? Remember how much tension he had with the Bulls FO?

But that was Michael Jordan, you know, the Greatest Of All Time.

[Rerisen]

Media pretty much killing Reggie though, lol.

First Kerr who said "who cares". Then Chuck telling him to shut the hell up and Ernie chiming in with the I agree.

I guess managers should stfu though.

From a national perspective absolutely. Then again Chuck and Ernie really don't care if the Bulls ever win another title vs any other team.

Why it matters to the Bulls is due to the relation that Reggie has to Rose and the degree to which Rose also feels used or disconnected from the FO's effort.

[WinCity]

Wade was reportedly pretty pissed about the 2010 plan. Despite that, he never complained publicly and stated both publicly and privately to Lebron and Bosh how much he loved the Miami organization. It obviously worked.

If Rose wants to create a Wade-like team he is going to have to act like Wade, not like Dwight.

You are honestly grasping at straws.

Not only is it incredibly unlikely that a player will refuse to play for the Bulls because of Reggie's comments, but it's not Rose's damn job to publicly cover up for the Bulls' continual mid-market management.

You're acting like Reggie just broke some breaking news about the Bulls. Any person who watches and follows the NBA regularly knows that the Bulls run their team like a mid-market team. Rose pretending otherwise won't fool anyone but the biggest of idiots.

On the other hand, publicly complaining does create a small chance that it forces the Bulls to actually change its ways. And if they do that and Rose still complains, then you may be onto something.

Exactly right. I think Coldfish is way off here. Pretending the problem doesnt exist wont fix it. The execution of Reggies comment left something to be desired. But the overall message, i.e. Rose wants to win titles in Chicago and wants the FO to be willing to spend more to get it done, is very good and necessary. Reggie will act as a buffer for DRose who will likely disavow and maintain his public image, with minimal if any damage.

[ryan44]

Media pretty much killing Reggie though, lol.

First Kerr who said "who cares". Then Chuck telling him to shut the hell up and Ernie chiming in with the I agree.

I guess managers should stfu though.

Yep. Reggie takes the public heat for expressing Derrick's views as his own, while Derrick gets to play the good cop and keep talking about how he and the Bulls FO both just want to win championships. If it works out and JR starts spending more on payroll, then the tactic was a success.

[LGhost]

y'all went hamburger on this thread

True story: My 9 year old son wanted to know why I was so focused on my computer tonight. So I told him that a lot of people were reacting to Derrick Rose's (my son's favorite player) brother suggested that Derrick might not play again this year because he's not sure of the team is good enough to win a title.

My son responded with a question: "Why do the Bulls need to win a championship for Derrick to be proud of his teammates?"

haha

[Shill]

OK, let's look at the team that Reggie cited, the Miami Heat. How were they created? Well, they tanked for huge capspace in 2010. Then, their leader spent literally years working over the best players in the game trying to get them to join him. Once convinced, that player took less than a max contract to make sure it all worked.

Rose? He sent Lebron a text and left Wade a voicemail. When the new Rose-rule was put in place, he gladly gobbled up a full max contract putting Chicago into lux tax land creating problems for things like sign and trades.

If Rose and his team aren't happy about looking up at the Miami Heat, they need to look in the mirror.

I don't think I need to pull out my front office bashing credentials. I'll call them out but what Reggie Rose did today was completely and utterly ridiculous. Beyond that, it lacked any amount of nuance or intelligence. If he really wanted to build a winner in Chicago:
- He should have been pushing much harder in 2010, his best chance
- He should have been putting on public pressure this summer or before the trade deadline (you know, when the Bulls could have done something) and done so in a constructive fashion. His quotes sound less intelligent and informed than my 10 year old son.

For those that are bringing up Cleveland . . . think about it. They gave a near max contract to Larry Hughes to get a second creator. They went all in for guys like Jamison to put shooters around Lebron. They got Mo Williams. They catered to every whim of Lebron and Maverick and it didn't work because they were all stupid panic moves made to placate Lebron. You guys wanting to trade the Charlotte pick for the likes of JJ Reddick and his expiring deal are pushing the same things . . . if not worse.

Man, I can't wait for tonight. This is going to be hot on TNT. Reggie Rose just nuked his brother's image. This is Dwight territory if not worse (Dwight was always PC in public). Rose would have done less damage by raping someone like Kobe did.

I think that last part in bold is a severe overreaction.

Derrick is not his brother. He's not demanding a trade, he's not asking out, he's not moping around. This will blow over.

You're assuming Derrick has no control over his brother, and that he's not playing a PR game.

And you're assuming he is playing the PR game.

I'm not making any assumptions about Reggie Rose. I'm taking his comments at face value; HIS comments.

[dice]

reggie should tell his bro to take a pay cut. then he can talk

besides, if the bulls were winning much more this year they wouldn't even NEED derrick to return

[kingkirk]

True story: My 9 year old son wanted to know why I was so focused on my computer tonight. So I told him that a lot of people were reacting to Derrick Rose's (my son's favorite player) brother suggested that Derrick might not play again this year because he's not sure of the team is good enough to win a title.

My son responded with a question: "Why do the Bulls need to win a championship for Derrick to be proud of his teammates?"

Kids say the darndest things.

If it was up to me, your son would be offer to a military boarding school right now and forced to be doing crunches and pull ups at 5am.

How dare your son rip away the bull that surrounds this issue and hit the core of it so easily, whilst us adults mildly argue semantics.

[ryan44]

By the way, to Coldfish, Ryan, and anyone else arguing that Reggie's statements will hurt recruiting because they paint the FO in a bad light:

Remember how Michael Jordan constantly trashed and humiliated Jerry Krause? Remember how much tension he had with the Bulls FO?

But that was Michael Jordan, you know, the Greatest Of All Time.

Yep. Fans are giving Rose a pass here because he's Rose. You think people would support Boozer with as much ferocity if he said something to this extent? Jordan won multiple NBA titles while publicly feuding with management, which is why no one really makes an issue of it, except to laugh at Krause.

[Rerisen]

I look at it like this. Some good can come from this if it causes the Bulls and Rose to have some kind of meeting of minds where Rose is assuaged.

Let's just start from the idea that Rose does share some of Reggie's thoughts, else Reggie probably doesn't say this. If Rose is quietly unhappy that is not a good thing that should go on festering. Him being unhappy, feeling management does not share priority on his goals, and not dealing with it would actually increase the chance that Rose would think about leaving, or simply start playing less inspired, for lack of feeling the management is backing him in the utmost way.

If there is a real issue here, it needs to get put to rest somehow. And if this public outcry from Reggie stems from them already voicing concerns and not having them answered, maybe it can step up the pressure to a resolution. If it can't then things are probably only going to get worse going forward either way.

[MAQ]

Media pretty much killing Reggie though, lol.

First Kerr who said "who cares". Then Chuck telling him to shut the hell up and Ernie chiming in with the I agree.

I guess managers should stfu though.

Why it matters to the Bulls is due to the relation that Reggie has to Rose and the degree to which Rose also feels used or disconnected from the FO's effort.

I get that, but t seems that most people are upset about the entire ordeal because of Rose "threatening" to sit out the season if/because a move wasn't to improve the team at the deadline.

Has Derrick not built up enough credibility to at least give him the opportunity to hang himself before we do it ourselves? Or let his brother do it for him?

[Shill]

By the way, to Coldfish, Ryan, and anyone else arguing that Reggie's statements will hurt recruiting because they paint the FO in a bad light:

Remember how Michael Jordan constantly trashed and humiliated Jerry Krause? Remember how much tension he had with the Bulls FO?

But that was Michael Jordan, you know, the Greatest Of All Time.

Yep. Fans are giving Rose a pass here because he's Rose. You think people would support Boozer with as much ferocity if he said something to this extent? Jordan won multiple NBA titles while publicly feuding with management, which is why no one really makes an issue of it, except to laugh at Krause.

No, fans are giving Rose a pass because he didn't make the statements.

You can project whatever you want onto Reggie's statements, but that doesn't make it fact.