Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Wingy]

What I'm taking from this is Reggie wants the Bulls to think and act more like a big market team instead of a forgettable middle-market club.

I don't know what's better, the fact that Reggie said this, or watching a bunch of fans cry like little babies upon hearing it.

Reggie is absolutely right. Time and time and time and time again all we hear about is how financially motivated the Bulls franchise is. Well if they are gonna be so financially motivated rather than championship motivated, then they better expect getting some sh*t for it.

Bulls FO need to have their feet held to the fire, or else we'll definitely get financially motivated moves forever.

Like these posts. Someone who can actually make some noise does...says what most here feel and everyone turns into an internet message board mob against him. Love how so many pour their money and loyalty into the Bulls while they turn league leading profit while operating like they're Milwaukee. How people are so complicit with this is mind boggling.

[bullsnewdynasty]

And to go along with my Detroit/Dallas comment, I think some need to temper their title expectations and stop trying to build these mythical teams that can win 3+ titles. With Rose as the Bulls' best player, their ceiling is basically stealing a title or 2. Not saying I wouldn't love a Bulls team that's in the Finals every year, but that's just not reality. We've just got to come to grips with what we've got.

[Rerisen]

I disagree. Miami had and has much better top-end talent than the Bulls, and they beat us 4-1 the previous year in the ECF. To call that a 50/50 chance just isn't realistic. Vegas will back me up here.

By point differential, the Bulls had improved and surpassed Miami, while the Heat had regressed. Not saying that means we were better overall, but we were certainly better suited than 2011 to take them on.

Boozer and Noah were not banged up, we had Rip over Bogans, and Rose himself had a year extra experience, and himself did not have those two severe ankle sprains he was dealing with in 2011.

I think a good case can be made Miami was actually a better team in 2011, that should have won but just lost due to LeBron choking. 2012 required miracle shooting from Battier and Mike Miller to win.

If you want to argue Miami was still clear favorites, that's fine. But what I'm going to say is that the team the Bulls just dismantled, there is no realistic way for the Bulls to (re)build one with much better odds vs Miami. We just cost cut a great team to prepare for a future where... we try to build up the exact same type of team we had! That will never be favorites on paper vs the Heat.

Not unless we acquire another top 5 player and we are not going to.

[Red Larrivee]

The Bulls have built a more than competent cast around Rose, but I think the problem is more stylistically than anything. They haven't built a team that takes advantage of Rose's biggest strengths:

1. Pushing the break.
2. Athleticism.
3. Drive/Kick

How do you slow the game down for a player who's one of the fastest in the NBA with the ball in his hands, and can change gears in a millisecond? It's like when Terry Porter and Steve Kerr took over the Suns and tried to make them this slow, grind-it-out team while they still had a prime Steve Nash. It's **** stupid.

The Bulls are a poor team in transition, rarely push the pace and don't have the shooters to compliment Rose when the defense collapses. It just doesn't make any sense.

Not just Rose, but you got Jimmy and Taj off the bench who are fantastic athletes. Marquis is one too. These guys play well in transition, but they're stifled by these half-court sets that they really don't excel in. Teague's biggest strength in college was pushing the ball on the break. Taj is an athletic freak and finishes strong in transition, ditto for Butler. So it only makes sense to walk th ball up.

This team plays too **** conservative and it's annoying, and tired. Yes, defense is always going to be a staple here as it has under Paxson. But balance the roster out and let this team loose offensively. I think it starts there first off. This team could be so dangerous if they pushed the ball more off stops, kept the game going at a great pace and had the personel to take advantage of it.

[DuckIII]

You both need to take a good long read of King Cuban's post. I ripped the FO as harshly or maybe even more harshly than almost anyone for letting Asik walk and refusing to pay up. And yet, I can't help but feel I fall within this extraordinarily wide net you've cast over fans upset with Team Derrick's public statements today.

And I am most certainly not alone among posters here who can criticize both management and players alike for their choices.

I think you, and others, are already treating Derrick as if has sat out the season, and I'm not there yet.

Nope. My comments aren't based at all on whether or not he will actually sit out. They are based on the fact that he (through his brother) is publicly threatening to do it. This thread is so huge that I don't want to go back and find my post. But basically what I said was that any player and his team who would publicly issue that threat in-season, under the circumstances his teammates have faced, is a player raising huge red flags about where his head is as a teammate.

Derrick Rose is a teammate. This isn't solely about Derrick and the FO - though that's what this thread wants it to only be about to protect Derrick's image0. There is a whole roster full of players going out and fighting hard, while hurt, every god damned night and doing a hell of a job. They deserve better from their team captain and leader.

Its **** bull shyte. And its being completely overlooked. I want Rose playing. But whether he plays or not is not going to define today's events. Today's events define today's events. And people are going so far as to say it should be applauded.

That's being a Derrick Rose fan, not a Bulls fan. The Bulls are a team and teams have teammates. Sorry, I'm starting to get pissed at my fellow Bulls fans now and I should probaby bow out for a while, because I actually like all of you guys. But I'm fired up at this insult Team Derrick is visiting on the guys that have been actually battling on the court all year. They've earned more respect than this crap.

Maybe I'm old fashioned.

[Tenchi Ryu]

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Enquiring minds want to know

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[jumpmanjay]

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[Rerisen]

Nope. My comments aren't based at all on whether or not he will actually sit out. They are based on the fact that he (through his brother) is publicly threatening to do it.

It can't be a threat because what is the action to stop the threat, the trade deadline is over when the piece came out. That's why I say it is most likely a protest.

I also don't think Rose and Reggie are 100% on this, I think Rose is influenced by Reggie (and BJ) and that is what caused him to offer the possibility of sitting out in the USA today article and the next day after the Boston game. That they have tried to talk Rose into this, and he has it under consideration, but ultimately will not go this route once he sees himself 100% in practice, and in being back with his teammates. He will feel the obligation (rightly) to get back out there.

And I just don't get the being offended on account of the team angle at all. Bulls are not winning a title this year. That is very likely reality. Rose didn't say that, Reggie Rose said it in so many words, so what. No one pointed out any player in isolation to blame for this, they pointed at management. The rest of the team aren't dumb and can clearly understand moves that were made that hurt the team talent wise this season. If Marco Belinelli is offended that the suggestion could be drawn that Korver is better, too bad, he should play better.

[Tenchi Ryu]

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OWNED!!

[Payt10]

The Bulls have built a more than competent cast around Rose, but I think the problem is more stylistically than anything. They haven't built a team that takes advantage of Rose's biggest strengths:

1. Pushing the break.
2. Athleticism.
3. Drive/Kick

How do you slow the game down for a player who's one of the fastest in the NBA with the ball in his hands, and can change gears in a millisecond? It's like when Terry Porter and Steve Kerr took over the Suns and tried to make them this slow, grind-it-out team while they still had a prime Steve Nash. It's **** stupid.

The Bulls are a poor team in transition, rarely push the pace and don't have the shooters to compliment Rose when the defense collapses. It just doesn't make any sense.

Not just Rose, but you got Jimmy and Taj off the bench who are fantastic athletes. Marquis is one too. These guys play well in transition, but they're stifled by these half-court sets that they really don't excel in. Teague's biggest strength in college was pushing the ball on the break. Taj is an athletic freak and finishes strong in transition, ditto for Butler. So it only makes sense to walk th ball up.

This team plays too **** conservative and it's annoying, and tired. Yes, defense is always going to be a staple here as it has under Paxson. But balance the roster out and let this team loose offensively. I think it starts there first off. This team could be so dangerous if they pushed the ball more off stops, kept the game going at a great pace and had the personel to take advantage of it.

I think the Tempo part of it is a Thibs thing. Even if they were to get more athletes on the floor around Derrick, and compliment him with better shooters, they'd still probably be primarily a half court team because of the coaches philosophy.

Thibs isn't one to change his style. That's what concerns me, because I totally agree with them needing to put better complimentary players around Derrick and take advantage of his speed with a more uptempo style. Right now, we are doing the exact opposite with players who can't even dribble or finish in transition.

[DuckIII]

Nope. My comments aren't based at all on whether or not he will actually sit out. They are based on the fact that he (through his brother) is publicly threatening to do it.

It can't be a threat because what is the action to stop the threat, the trade deadline is over when the piece came out. That's why I say it is most likely a protest.

That is a distinction with no difference.

I also don't think Rose and Reggie are 100% on this

Based on the chronology of events, and Derrick's active participation in them, that is either naive or wishful thinking. Earlier in this thread you yourself were acknowledging that this was an organized plan of attack that Team Derrick has been executing for months.

[LoveDaBoo]

I disagree. Miami had and has much better top-end talent than the Bulls, and they beat us 4-1 the previous year in the ECF. To call that a 50/50 chance just isn't realistic. Vegas will back me up here.

By point differential, the Bulls had improved and surpassed Miami, while the Heat had regressed. Not saying that means we were better overall, but we were certainly better suited than 2011 to take them on.

Boozer and Noah were not banged up, we had Rip over Bogans, and Rose himself had a year extra experience, and himself did not have those two severe ankle sprains he was dealing with in 2011.

I think a good case can be made Miami was actually a better team in 2011, that should have won but just lost due to LeBron choking. 2012 required miracle shooting from Battier and Mike Miller to win.

It's just not 50/50. Sorry. When you have LeBron, your chances are not 50/50. At best.. at best our chances were something like 60/40.

And that was last year. The FO had to take into account the already-old Boozer and Rip being a year older. What would our chances have been this year? If they'd kept it together, no better than 70/30, IMO.

Most of that's arguable, of course, but your 50/50 is plainly wrong. Like I said, Vegas would back me up.

If you want to argue Miami was still clear favorites, that's fine. But what I'm going to say is that the team the Bulls just dismantled, there is no realistic way for the Bulls to (re)build one with much better odds vs Miami. We just cost cut a great team to prepare for a future where... we try to build up the exact same type of team we had! That will never be favorites on paper vs the Heat.

Not unless we acquire another top 5 player and we are not going to.

They have to; or at least, if not top-5, at least a seriously oustanding player. Something like top 20. If we can't ever do it, we won't ever win with Rose. That's all there is to it. It's long odds at this point, but it is what it is. That's why I was a tanker. We need another top player, and the paths to acquire one are long-ass odds. Asiks and Kovers won't do it. Period.

[League Circles]

The Bulls have built a more than competent cast around Rose, but I think the problem is more stylistically than anything. They haven't built a team that takes advantage of Rose's biggest strengths:

1. Pushing the break.
2. Athleticism.
3. Drive/Kick

How do you slow the game down for a player who's one of the fastest in the NBA with the ball in his hands, and can change gears in a millisecond? It's like when Terry Porter and Steve Kerr took over the Suns and tried to make them this slow, grind-it-out team while they still had a prime Steve Nash. It's **** stupid.

The Bulls are a poor team in transition, rarely push the pace and don't have the shooters to compliment Rose when the defense collapses. It just doesn't make any sense.

Not just Rose, but you got Jimmy and Taj off the bench who are fantastic athletes. Marquis is one too. These guys play well in transition, but they're stifled by these half-court sets that they really don't excel in. Teague's biggest strength in college was pushing the ball on the break. Taj is an athletic freak and finishes strong in transition, ditto for Butler. So it only makes sense to walk th ball up.

This team plays too **** conservative and it's annoying, and tired. Yes, defense is always going to be a staple here as it has under Paxson. But balance the roster out and let this team loose offensively. I think it starts there first off. This team could be so dangerous if they pushed the ball more off stops, kept the game going at a great pace and had the personel to take advantage of it.

This is all false. The Bulls are probably one of the quickest teams I can think of at trying to break every time they get a rebound, whether the PG is Rose, Kirk, or Nate. The reason their pace is slow is not because they don't run, it's because when they don't have an easy bucket as a result of running, and the defense is set, they actually take 24 seconds to get the shot they want. They also force the opponent to often take much of the clock because of their good defense. The Bulls have to take a while to get shots in the half court because they can't create shots at will. But they absolutely run whenever they get the chance. They very often run full speed like it's a fast break only to not quite beat the defense, and bring it out top to run a play. There is more to pace than the actual pace rankings.

A lot of the guys aren't good finishers (outside of Taj, Butler, Rose, etc), but that's a different issue.

[ChicagoStrong]

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[babblin-on]

Rarely do we know what a team's plan is, other than when a team is obviously tanking for cap space or draft picks.

In this case, we saw the team:
1. Drop productive members of the team for finances. Keeping those guys could've given the team more flexibility to make trades, both with expiring deals and Noah with Asik in the fold as a replacement. You could argue that these moves were the right thing to do in keeping the team flexible in future years and not accruing a year toward being in the repeater tax
2. Hard cap itself
3. Sign Taj Gibson to a deal that to a large extent eliminates some of the flexibility the team could've had as a result of part 1
4. Still end up paying the tax, eliminating one of the theoretical benefits of part 1

Is it possible that management has something great up its sleeve? Sure, but right now it's hard to see the things management is doing moving in any direction.

I don't disagree with any of that, but it's also not fair to say they were totally stupid or cheap in what they did. No matter what path they took, one could look back and say they could have done something different and possibly better. My main point is that there's no obvious point where them being incompetent or cheap prevented them from obtaining a legit #2. Really, that's all it comes down to.

I do think it's fair to say they were stupid in what they did. They failed in terms of fielding the best team possible for this season, they failed to set the team up with cap flexibility, they failed to avoid the luxury tax. They managed to mitigate the loss of some of the role players they let go with solid replacements, but they're not even positioned well to retain those guys. The only thing we can see on the horizon for improving the team seems centered around the arrival of a guy who hasn't played a single NBA game coming over some undetermined number of years in the future.

[League Circles]

Man that's why Charles is the **** and always will be. Coolest pro athlete of our time.

[pduh01]

Here is my take regarding Reggie Rose

First, and foremost at the very least Reggie Rose should at least keep it private. If he got something to say then say it to the front office in person, privately not publicly. I never a big fan when coaches, gms, players, and etc call out one or another in public(to the media.) it is better to keep these type of things privately, keep your mouth shut, and if you got something to say to a certain person then act like an adult, go to them and talk to that person/persons and do it privately.

Next thing is to a degree Reggie is right but in certain other angles he is wrong. The part of his wrong is he needs to understand what the Bulls salary cap situation at the moment, and who is actually available, and plus with our current assets what kind value they currently have right now that, and what they can get in return. The next thing is which I should say the begin with there is no superstar that is available at the moment if there is who then? Who is actually available? Dwight Howard? Uh last time I check he have no interest in playing for the Bulls at the moment. With the Bulls in a bad cap situation or I should say cap in hell(maybe not the right word to describe it but you get my drift.) we have limit option at the moment.

Right now this past trade deadline who is actually available to make the Bulls better? Uh let see Josh Smith? Yeah right only thing that make better is to clear cap room if you dump Deng, Noah, or Boozer. Hawks wouldn't take Boozer, Deng? Not worth Josh Smith sorry and beside I doubt Hawks want Deng, and I wouldn't even think about trading Noah for Josh Smith.

Onto the next player who else? Al Jefferson? Only if we get rid of Boozer some how so that isn't happening but I don't think he'll make a type of "impact" but he will help. Paul Milsap not in terms of impact I don't think but will help, and same I mention about Al Jefferson. There is NO ONE and I repeat no one that is available realistically to help the Bulls better especially in terms of impact for this past deadline. Only things that might be better is avoid the luxury tax, and minor deals but that is about it, period.

If you actually know who is available that can help the Bulls improve this past trade deadline I dare you to give me those names here on this forum when you respond to me please I dare you! Remember folks it takes two to tango regarding trades and even free agents who knows what really happen behind the scene what the Bulls organization did/trying to do via trades or free agents. Sometime one want to dance but other hesitate, and decide not to dance with you think about it folks. Of course it could be on the front office but it could be from the other party too again think about it.

By the way I kinda lol when Reggie mention Deng & Noah but no mention of Carlos Boozer.

[JordansBulls]

Not sure it was possible but would have traded for Pierce and KG giving up Deng, Boozer and probably Taj. Just start over with Rose next year.

[pduh01]

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Charles is on point well done Charles and he is so right too.

[kingkirk]

Nope. My comments aren't based at all on whether or not he will actually sit out. They are based on the fact that he (through his brother) is publicly threatening to do it. This thread is so huge that I don't want to go back and find my post. But basically what I said was that any player and his team who would publicly issue that threat in-season, under the circumstances his teammates have faced, is a player raising huge red flags about where his head is as a teammate.

Derrick Rose is a teammate. This isn't solely about Derrick and the FO - though that's what this thread wants it to only be about to protect Derrick's image0. There is a whole roster full of players going out and fighting hard, while hurt, every god damned night and doing a hell of a job. They deserve better from their team captain and leader.

Its **** bull shyte. And its being completely overlooked. I want Rose playing. But whether he plays or not is not going to define today's events. Today's events define today's events. And people are going so far as to say it should be applauded.

That's being a Derrick Rose fan, not a Bulls fan. The Bulls are a team and teams have teammates. Sorry, I'm starting to get pissed at my fellow Bulls fans now and I should probaby bow out for a while, because I actually like all of you guys. But I'm fired up at this insult Team Derrick is visiting on the guys that have been actually battling on the court all year. They've earned more respect than this crap.

Maybe I'm old fashioned.

Brilliant.

You got my support, brother.