Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Wingy]

That was my first thought when this broke out. How the **** would Jo feel hearing/reading this **** from his captains brother/manager?

Bologna. How can people keep saying this? For one, he specifically praised Noah and Deng.

Noah was probably thinking "Eff yeah Reggie, tell those cheap bastards!" You think Jo doesn't know the truth that we're not on Miami's level? He says the right things to the media, but deep down everyone knows the truth unless they are completely delusional...and I don't think Jo is delusional. As competitive as he is and how much he absolutely hates Miami...you don't think he wants the FO to help with more talent...instead of actually downgrading our talent like we did in the offseason?

I'd bet money Jo heard Reggie's comments and said "Amen brother!"

I can't guarantee anything, because i don't know Jo, but i would be shocked if he actually believed this, given his attitude on the floor every night.

Me neither, but again I'd bet...that he puts winning ahead of any warm and fuzzies.

[League Circles]

I believe it's a combination of everyone you named. They have decided to put pressure on the FO.

Can you admit they could of put pressure on the front office without publicly throwing the team under the buss.

I agree with them in theory, but their execution was horrible.

They couldn't really. I don't like what Reggie said, but if he felt he needed to pressure the FO to further Derricks' best interests, the only way to do it was publicly. It was also kind of a wakeup call to the players outside of Rose, Noah and Deng, that if they don't improve, they'll be candidates to be replaced.

[LoveDaBoo]

I find it hilarious that so many people on here have talked at such length about how Rose's "camp" has such power over him, but then assume that Derrick is totally on board with this. If Reggie has so much influence over Derrick, why isn't it believable that he didn't give a damn anymore that Derrick disagreed with him, and decided to speak out anyway?

If Reggie thinks he knows what's best for Rose, and it's ultra clear he does think that, why isn't it quite believable that him and Derrick aren't in lock step on this?

Can anyone explain that to me?

For the most part, I'd be inclined to be with this, but Derrick's response was too weak. He needed to shoot this down, and he totally didn't.

I literally love Derrick Rose. But I'm not blind. This is a misstep. A pretty big misstep.

[ryan44]

I believe it's a combination of everyone you named. They have decided to put pressure on the FO.

Can you admit they could of put pressure on the front office without publicly throwing the team under the buss.

I agree with them in theory, but their execution was horrible.

Some people felt that this was the only option, and that private talks must have failed. That still leaves this issue of whether or not you think public bashing of your own FO helps or hurts the situation.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I believe it's a combination of everyone you named. They have decided to put pressure on the FO.

Can you admit they could of put pressure on the front office without publicly throwing the team under the buss.

I agree with them in theory, but their execution was horrible.

I think they tried the private route already.

[Wingy]

I believe it's a combination of everyone you named. They have decided to put pressure on the FO.

Can you admit they could of put pressure on the front office without publicly throwing the team under the buss.

I agree with them in theory, but their execution was horrible.

Not the first to say it, but you're assuming they haven't gone the "proper" route multiple times already.

Should they just do the "right" thing, let everyone feel good and see Derrick go down the KG/Minnesota path?

[Rerisen]

I'll give another reason this is most likely merely a protest.

Do you guys realize how bad Rose looks if he now does sit out the year? What if he is really still hurt, even if he sat out for being hurt, it would look like he sat out for Reggie's reason, being petulant about the team.

I think this almost locks in that Rose is coming back, and probably chose to come back 'over' Reggie and BJs protest, and that is precisely why they went public. To make it more widely known that they feel the FO shafted Derrick this year, as he's is going to bust his butt to return (like he should) but that the FO didn't do their part to keep the team as strong, let alone upgarde it, for when he did get back.

[Mech Engineer]

After a few years of frustration, players know their time is limited and that's been the case from the time NBA started. I am sure Joakim knows this from his competitive nature and being smart. A smart guy like Noah knows his limitations and by now, he probably knows the kind of talent required around him and Rose.

Reggie Rose did the right thing in a way if this was Derrick's thoughts being relayed to the FO. This is the first year of his big deal and the Bulls have plenty of time to build a winner rather than doing like LeBron or Howard holding their teams hostage at the end of their contracts.

[pduh01]

Here's my take on that..
1. Why Reggie went public? We can logically guess that he would have tried to talk to the Bulls FO privately. Either the Bulls FO told him to take a hike or didn't agree with him or gave him the financial reasons or probably said they are working on fixing the Bulls problems. Maybe he has asked them several times and they keep saying the same crap...(showing charts, rankings, graphics, player availability, player flaws like Josh Smith's issues or Dwight Howard's issues). He might have got frustrated with that crap and went public.

That is logical that could happen............What I am hoping in coming days Reggie, or both come out in public and make a formal apologize in fact Reggie should do the apologizing assuming the part the front office told him to take a hike. If the front office actually tell him take a hike Reggie should at least try to keep it cool and not say anything in public.

2. He is probably one of the few guys who really sees and talks to his brother after games. GarPax, Jerry, Bulls players, Thibs) don't do that all the time. Derrick will be emotional after a game and would have let out more to his brother than he would the next day to somebody else.

Fair enough and we all know that we heard Derrick Rose is a humble and quiet/shy person with others at times.

3. About availability of players like Howard or any other superstar...it is not about them directly being available. They lost an asset like Asik who they could have used as a piece for a superstar trade. Or, their history tells that they have not been successful in getting a star type player except for Boozer. Sometimes, it might be the intermediate place of getting a bunch of semi-stars to put them together in a trade for a superstar type when they become available. Guys like Mayo, Josh Smith(just examples) might not be superstars but those types who are young and are athletic can be part of a bigger trade much more than a older player like Boozer or Rip.

I am one of the poster that I wouldn't mind matching the offer to Asik but at the same time I understand the Bulls front office why they didn't match his offer. Should they trade him to get at least something in return? Perhaps even though at the time I want to keep Asik and not trade a big for small(remember the rumors about Courtney Lee for Asik type deal.)

And to a certain degree as I say my previous post Reggie isn't wrong part of his comments. The Bulls could have done better last off-season.

[kingkirk]

The crazy part is that I believe this is only the tip of the iceberg.

That is it though, today has created a precedent that we will all be referring back to, be it about Rose's pending return, free agency, FO discussions etc.

Its not going to go away on this board.

[Rerisen]

Just wondering, do people who think we're not good enough, who complain about the bench mob, believe that it would have been wise to resign Korver to a multi-year deal this coming summer had we kept him (which we can still do BTW with the MMLE)? Is locking yourself into a core of:

Noah, Omer
Boozer, Taj
Deng, Butler
Korver, Butler
Rose, Teague

...worth it? Is it really? Korver's not young, and keeping him and Omer would simply have locked us in. I don't think the Bulls let Korver go because of money at all - they ended up spending it on MArco, Kirk and Cook anyway. They let him go because this year wasn't gonna be a titled year with Rose rusty, and figured might as well try younger, more talented, if not proven guys in Butler and Marco.

Seeing what he's doing starting in Atlanta, I think Korver at starting SG is a BIG upgarde over Rip or Marco, especially as they no longer really even have defense on him.

Then you throw Taj in the starting lineup to make up defense even more, you don't need Boozer as much, and you have a mean front five.

[ryan44]

After a few years of frustration, players know their time is limited and that's been the case from the time NBA started. I am sure Joakim knows this from his competitive nature and being smart. A smart guy like Noah knows his limitations and by now, he probably knows the kind of talent required around him and Rose.

Reggie Rose did the right thing in a way if this was Derrick's thoughts being relayed to the FO. This is the first year of his big deal and the Bulls have plenty of time to build a winner rather than doing like LeBron or Howard holding their teams hostage at the end of their contracts.

LeBron held his team hostage long before the end of his contract via shorter contract extensions and effectively asking to keep bringing in players to win "now" as opposed to setting up for future seasons.

[Wingy]

After a few years of frustration, players know their time is limited and that's been the case from the time NBA started. I am sure Joakim knows this from his competitive nature and being smart. A smart guy like Noah knows his limitations and by now, he probably knows the kind of talent required around him and Rose.

Reggie Rose did the right thing in a way if this was Derrick's thoughts being relayed to the FO. This is the first year of his big deal and the Bulls have plenty of time to build a winner rather than doing like LeBron or Howard holding their teams hostage at the end of their contracts.

Completely agree. Maybe they should've waited for 3.5 years for the FO to act completely different than it has throughout its history...and then finding out they're the same as always....and only THEN said something...just in time for it to be too late and for the team to make some poor, stinking of desperation moves to try to convince Derrick to stay. That would've been better and kept everyone here happy.

[League Circles]

I'll give another reason this is most likely merely a protest.

Do you guys realize how bad Rose looks if he now does sit out the year? What if he is really still hurt, even if he sat out for being hurt, it would look like he sat out for Reggie's reason, being petulant about the team.

I think this almost locks in that Rose is coming back, and probably chose to come back 'over' Reggie and BJs protest, and that is precisely why they went public. To make it more widely known that they feel the FO shafted Derrick this year, as he's is going to bust his butt to return (like he should) but that the FO didn't do their part to keep the team as strong, let alone upgarde it, for when he did get back.

Indeed. Also, everyone knows (even me the ultimate homer) that we aren't likely to beat Miami this year (if for no other reason than Rose's inevitable rust). Thus, when they lose, this storyline is already out there, and the pressure will be on them, the proof will be in the pudding, and the Bulls will have to take on salary by trading RIP, Kirk, Teague, and picks for a real player. Not a true #2, but another good player.

Also, I think it was just as much a pre-emptive warnign to not just dump contributors like Boozer and RIP. One would hope Reggie understands the Bulls can't just pluck a #2 scorer out of thin air, but he definitely knows there's no reason the Bulls would have HAD to dump either of those guys and decrease their already underdog chances.

[LoveDaBoo]

I'll give another reason this is most likely merely a protest.

Do you guys realize how bad Rose looks if he now does sit out the year? What if he is really still hurt, even if he sat out for being hurt, it would look like he sat out for Reggie's reason, being petulant about the team.

I think this almost locks in that Rose is coming back, and probably chose to come back 'over' Reggie and BJs protest, and that is precisely why they went public. To make it more widely known that they feel the FO shafted Derrick this year, as he's is going to bust his butt to return (like he should) but that the FO didn't do their part to keep the team as strong, let alone upgarde it, for when he did get back.

Yeah, but at the same time, Rose went from being one of the truly great guys in sports to a guy who begrudingly came back to prove haters wrong, by this calculus.

[kingkirk]

I'll give another reason this is most likely merely a protest.

Do you guys realize how bad Rose looks if he now does sit out the year? What if he is really still hurt, even if he sat out for being hurt, it would look like he sat out for Reggie's reason, being petulant about the team.

I think this almost locks in that Rose is coming back, and probably chose to come back 'over' Reggie and BJs protest, and that is precisely why they went public. To make it more widely known that they feel the FO shafted Derrick this year, as he's is going to bust his butt to return (like he should) but that the FO didn't do their part to keep the team as strong, let alone upgarde it, for when he did get back.

If Rose doesn't come back this season, then because of Reggie's comments, there will be a perception out there from a faction of fans that will believe Rose is sitting out for reasons unrrelated to the ACL.

Even if that isn't the case, and he misses the rest of the reason, the intention of Reggie's word, be it a protest, threat or calculated decision, will become irrelevant, and the perception of those words will become extremely pertinent.

[Jo Jo English]

I'll give another reason this is most likely merely a protest.

Do you guys realize how bad Rose looks if he now does sit out the year? What if he is really still hurt, even if he sat out for being hurt, it would look like he sat out for Reggie's reason, being petulant about the team.

I think this almost locks in that Rose is coming back, and probably chose to come back 'over' Reggie and BJs protest, and that is precisely why they went public. To make it more widely known that they feel the FO shafted Derrick this year, as he's is going to bust his butt to return (like he should) but that the FO didn't do their part to keep the team as strong, let alone upgarde it, for when he did get back.

Interesting point.

Perhaps Rose has deemed that any hit he takes with his public perception and among his current teammates is warranted if it puts him in a better position to win titles in the future. It's possible he may be right; impossible to know now.

Regardless, this is an important day for Rose and his legacy with the Bulls. It will likely be referenced a lot in the future when looking back on Derrick's career with the Bulls.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

The crazy part is that I believe this is only the tip of the iceberg.

That is it though, today has created a precedent that we will all be referring back to, be it about Rose's pending return, free agency, FO discussions etc.

Its not going to go away on this board.

Rerisen just made a great point above.

This whole flare-up basically insures that Rose will play this season. I think he's right.

[CalilLove89]

I believe it's a combination of everyone you named. They have decided to put pressure on the FO.

Can you admit they could of put pressure on the front office without publicly throwing the team under the buss.

I agree with them in theory, but their execution was horrible.

I think they tried the private route already.

I understand this, but his actual statements were pretty harsh. He came off as pissed off and ranting instead of trying to make the best business decision for his brother/client.

[Mech Engineer]

Another thing, IMO, is the fact that Reggie mentioned Noah and Deng along with Derrick obviously. These are the three guys we definitely know have played through injuries, have comeback from injuries before they are completely healthy. He might have forgot to mention Taj. Other than that, he might have some inside sources on guys like Boozer. The fact that he didn't mention Boozer is very interesting.