Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Rerisen]

Indeed. Also, everyone knows (even me the ultimate homer) that we aren't likely to beat Miami this year (if for no other reason than Rose's inevitable rust). Thus, when they lose, this storyline is already out there, and the pressure will be on them, the proof will be in the pudding, and the Bulls will have to take on salary by trading RIP, Kirk, Teague, and picks for a real player. Not a true #2, but another good player.

Yes, it's a fitting narrative to be out there. Much better than fans foolishly ripping a less than 100% Derrick when we get bounced in the playoffs, which would unfortunately happen for some reason.

Rose is never going to be LeBron, nor as good I think. So just repeating that 'reality', as some have done, is pretty much irrelevant. Bulls still have to try to get better despite it, and build the best team and talent possible.

Only one team in the league gets the best player, but excepting Michael, doesn't mean that team wins the title every single year.

Bulls should be lucky (like 1.7% lucky) to even have a franchise player that starts them on the ladder of team building as high as Derrick does. Some 20 plus odd teams would kill to have a starting block this good.

[kingkirk]

This whole flare-up basically insures that Rose will play this season. I think he's right.

Given the nonsense surrounding this for months now, i will believe it when i see it.

I didn't think we would reach this point, so im up in the air right now.

He likely will, but im not going to be surprised if he doesn't either, given how fruity things have been.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Cali, sometimes the kid gloves have to come off. We entered into Grown-Man-Land today regarding Rose & the Bulls FO.

[League Circles]

Just wondering, do people who think we're not good enough, who complain about the bench mob, believe that it would have been wise to resign Korver to a multi-year deal this coming summer had we kept him (which we can still do BTW with the MMLE)? Is locking yourself into a core of:

Noah, Omer
Boozer, Taj
Deng, Butler
Korver, Butler
Rose, Teague

...worth it? Is it really? Korver's not young, and keeping him and Omer would simply have locked us in. I don't think the Bulls let Korver go because of money at all - they ended up spending it on MArco, Kirk and Cook anyway. They let him go because this year wasn't gonna be a titled year with Rose rusty, and figured might as well try younger, more talented, if not proven guys in Butler and Marco.

Seeing what he's doing starting in Atlanta, I think Korver at starting SG is a BIG upgarde over Rip or Marco, especially as they no longer really even have defense on him.

Then you throw Taj in the starting lineup to make up defense even more, you don't need Boozer as much, and you have a mean front five.

That's not the question. Let's assume for a moment you're right (I think it's a solid position that he may have been better than Marco or RIP). What do you do at the end of the season, which wouldn't be a title anyway (because of Rose's rust if no other reason, I think you'd agree), with Korver? He'd command a multi year deal. He's 32 years old and slow. You want to lock into trotting him out there as our slow 32 year old SG on a fresh 3-4 year deal, miss out on 2014 cap space, etc?

[Wingy]

Just wondering, do people who think we're not good enough, who complain about the bench mob, believe that it would have been wise to resign Korver to a multi-year deal this coming summer had we kept him (which we can still do BTW with the MMLE)? Is locking yourself into a core of:

Noah, Omer
Boozer, Taj
Deng, Butler
Korver, Butler
Rose, Teague

...worth it? Is it really? Korver's not young, and keeping him and Omer would simply have locked us in. I don't think the Bulls let Korver go because of money at all - they ended up spending it on MArco, Kirk and Cook anyway. They let him go because this year wasn't gonna be a titled year with Rose rusty, and figured might as well try younger, more talented, if not proven guys in Butler and Marco.

Letting Omer go was the big, big mistake IMO. Keeping him gives you the flexibility to move Noah...our absolute best trade asset (outside of Rose for you smart alecks out there). Yes, yes, Noah is better than Omer...but Omer can do a good Noah facsimile...and Noah has the value to get us the missing scorer we sorely need.

[DuckIII]

That's the thing. I'm so disappointed with the Derrick Rose response. I was hoping he'd strongly criticize them or even possibly make his brother apologize. I think and hope that Derrick isn't on the same page as Reggie, but his response was too weak-sauce. These comments, at this point, help nothing. Derrick should have squashed this.

His response was even more disturbing than I thought it would be. I expected him to be more forceful. But no matter what he said, it was all part of the plan. Derrrick is obviously 100% on board with all of this. His initial response went a long way to confirming that, but it was pretty clear even before he issued his statement. And that won't change even if he amends his statement and goes further to distance himself. It will all be a PR sham.

What's happening here is pretty clear. And its scary. It was noted I think by coldfish earlier. The only time something like this commenced, and the player stayed, was Kobe. Every other time in the CBA era that this has happened, the player forced his way out.

I'm shocked. I believed the hype that Rose was above this. He's obviously not. And maybe I shouldn't have expected him to be, so that part is on me.

A message board is obviously a place for supposition, but I think you're reading way too much into this statement.

Not only do you have Rose as the mastermind of the statement, you also have him leaving Chicago in the foreseeable future.

Let's dial it back a notch and see how things play out.

This will all be moot if the Bulls can improve the roster, which is what all parties want.

You are reading too much into my reading too much. Rose isn't the mastermind. He's just pretty clearly part of the plan that they've executed. I.e., he cannot be isolated and defended. He's involved.

And no, I'm not saying he's leaving. And I most certainly am not saying I want him to leave. Yes, I'm questioning his character. But I also said in 2010 that I wanted LeBron even though he was a douche. I want victories.

I'm simply noting that coldfish, I think it was, rightly noted that every time a superstar went down this road recently, other than Kobe, he ended up ghost. Which worries me. It doesn't worry you?

I mean damn, I'm a harsh son of a bitch in this thread, but I want Derrick Rose to be a Bull for life.

[Rerisen]

That's not the question. Let's assume for a moment you're right (I think it's a solid position that he may have been better than Marco or RIP). What do you do at the end of the season, which wouldn't be a title anyway (because of Rose's rust if no other reason, I think you'd agree), with Korver? He'd command a multi year deal. He's 32 years old and slow. You want to lock into trotting him out there as our slow 32 year old SG on a fresh 3-4 year deal, miss out on 2014 cap space, etc?

If the team is really close to winning, maybe he doesn't cost that much, as he likely wouldn't start too many places. But I don't think you can build like that. People said that about going after Mayo too, oh he'll want too much money in a year. Freaking JJ Redick wants 10 million now, who was like the dream 'get' of many Bulls fans. Bulls are never going to win being so scared of players asking to be paid.

Even Nate Robinson has probably earned a fat deal from someone for his play this year. You can't build a perennial contender I think endlessly shuffling short contract journeyman like Marco and Kirk. You have to have some consistency in the team makeup.

Or at worst you are looking for a new SG next year. But we are anyway, so no difference, other than more money this year to have been better.

[hammel123]

I think this almost locks in that Rose is coming back, and probably chose to come back 'over' Reggie and BJs protest, and that is precisely why they went public. To make it more widely known that they feel the FO shafted Derrick this year, as he's is going to bust his butt to return (like he should) but that the FO didn't do their part to keep the team as strong, let alone upgarde it, for when he did get back.

Pretty much - in the two years since that Miami series, it's unquestionable FO downgraded talent - Asik vs Nazer, Korver and Brewer vs ghost of Richard Hamilton and now Rose has to come back and do even more just to get to the Conference finals.

[CalilLove89]

Cali, sometimes the kid gloves have to come off. We entered into Grown-Man-Land today regarding Rose & the Bulls FO.

And thats why you have every analyst crapping all over Reggie Rose today. Not because of what he said, but how he said it.

Thats my opinion.

When you say This team is not worthy of my brother, that is going to piss off everyone who writes the narrative.

I think he should of just called out the bulls for being cheap and not spending enough to put players on the court, it is not garpax that sets the budget, its the owners, put pressure on them.

Now its just super awkward.

[LobosJordan]

That's not the question. Let's assume for a moment you're right (I think it's a solid position that he may have been better than Marco or RIP). What do you do at the end of the season, which wouldn't be a title anyway (because of Rose's rust if no other reason, I think you'd agree), with Korver? He'd command a multi year deal. He's 32 years old and slow. You want to lock into trotting him out there as our slow 32 year old SG on a fresh 3-4 year deal, miss out on 2014 cap space, etc?

If the team is really close to winning, maybe he doesn't cost that much, as he likely wouldn't start too many places. But I don't think you can build like that. People said that about going after Mayo too, oh he'll want too much money in a year. Freaking JJ Redick wants 10 million now, who was like the dream 'get' of many Bulls fans. Bulls are never going to win being so scared of players asking to be paid.

Even Nate Robinson has probably earned a fat deal from someone for his play this year. You can't build a perennial contender I think endlessly shuffling short contract journeyman like Marco and Kirk. You have to have some consistency in the team makeup.

Great post Rerisen

[AAU Teammate]

how dare the bulls not get josh smith

[AAU Teammate]

!!!!!!!!

[ryan44]

Another thing, IMO, is the fact that Reggie mentioned Noah and Deng along with Derrick obviously. These are the three guys we definitely know have played through injuries, have comeback from injuries before they are completely healthy. He might have forgot to mention Taj. Other than that, he might have some inside sources on guys like Boozer. The fact that he didn't mention Boozer is very interesting.

The comments weren't that surprising IMO. I think most people view the team's core moving forward as Rose, Noah, and potentially Deng depending on how much he asks for in his next contract. Boozer might be a big number on the team's payroll, but Thibs routinely subs him out at key points in games. If Thibs had his way, we'd see 45+ minutes every night from Rose, Noah, and Deng.

[WinCity]

You are reading too much into my reading too much. Rose isn't the mastermind. He's just pretty clearly part of the plan that they've executed. I.e., he cannot be isolated and defended. He's involved.

And no, I'm not saying he's leaving. And I most certainly am not saying I want him to leave. Yes, I'm questioning his character. But I also said in 2010 that I wanted LeBron even though he was a douche. I want victories.

I'm simply noting that coldfish, I think it was, rightly noted that every time a superstar went down this road recently, other than Kobe, he ended up ghost. Which worries me. It doesn't worry you?

I mean damn, I'm a harsh son of a bitch in this thread, but I want Derrick Rose to be a Bull for life.

I dont agree that Rose is going the same path as Howard or Ledouchebag. Howard was halfway out the door when he started criticizing the lack roster, and Douche was already gone before he made it clear to the public he was unhappy with his roster in CLE. Rose just signed up long term. He is clearly committed to Chicago long term. These comments dont read like a player looking for a way out, they read like a guy looking to improve the situation right where he is. Frankly, the only thing that worries me as that JR will not get the message. Then we could actually have a long term problem. If anything he is pulling a Kobe.

[Saphir]

Except the difference is there's an implicit understanding that the goal this year isn't to win a championship. Hell, I think the only time a season started with championship expectations was last season. 2010-2011 merely saw a raising of expectations when it turned out that Rose was a true superstar and the Bulls made one of the smartest coaching hires in the past five years.

Return or no return, I'm fairly certain, especially given how well the team has played without Rose, that the expectations for 2013-2014 will be championship or bust, even with LeBron standing in the way.

[HomoSapien]

Here's my general thoughts on the statement.

1. Reggie is Derrick's mouthpiece. To assume that Derrick feels differently and this came completely out of the blue is naive. Even if Derrick didn't straight up tell Reggie to say this, it's hard to believe that they wouldn't share similar views. Reggie is team Derrick.

2. This sucks. It's completely deflating. If I'm part of a team that's busting my ass and I hear that our MVP still think we essentially stink, it really brings me down. Things like this are enough to poison a team. Being involved in trade talks are part of the game. Having your best players family publicly insult you isn't.

3. D-Rose should point the finger at himself. If he wanted more help, he shouldn't have been so passive in 2010. Right now, his biggest contribution in that department is helping recruit Kirk Hinrich - the very type of teammate that Reggie seems to be complaining about.

If I'm Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, I'm furious at Rose right now. They have willed this team into success and have earned All-Star selections. They deserve better than that from the Rose family.

[hammel123]

People fail to realize the new financially reality - two max players and good rotation players (hopefully). Heck, yeah Deng and Boozer are gone if FO is doing their job. If we're lucky, they'll be able to hang on to Noah. So better get going and make that second max player count.

[Rerisen]

LeBron was in Cleveland 7 years before 'the Decision'. I don't think Rose would ever demand out, at worst think about resigning elsewhere. But that is years away, and this probably just a bump in the road hopefully.

Things weren't always peachy with MJ either, though its easy to see the past through rose colored (no pun) glasses that everything went smooth all the time.

Miami will probably have to break up the Heatles due to repeater and Wade is getting older too. So everything through the lens of beating Miami might ease up here before Rose is ready for a new deal.

[League Circles]

If the team is really close to winning, maybe he doesn't cost that much, as he likely wouldn't start too many places. But I don't think you can build like that. People said that about going after Mayo too, oh he'll want too much money in a year. Freaking JJ Redick wants 10 million now, who was like the dream 'get' of many Bulls fans. Bulls are never going to win being so scared of players asking to be paid.

I still don't think you get what I'm saying. It's not about the money. At this end of this year, we would likely have had to make a decision on whether or not to sign Korver to a new multi-year deal. If you sign him to it (even if it's only a 3 year deal for 3 mil a year), you most likely still won't win, and may become even worse as he and Boozer age further, and then you've gone and effed up 2014 flexibility. If you let him go, you start at square one trying to replace him, but WITHOUT the contract of Kirk to use to take back salary. By choosing Kirk and the TPE over Korver, the Bulls appropriately prioritized 2013-14 over this year.

Or at worst you are looking for a new SG next year. But we are anyway, so no difference, other than more money this year to have been better.

There is a key difference, as I've outlined. By letting Korver go, we have Kirk to trade, whereas we would not have had Korver to trade, AND we have the TPE. Now, if they don't use those bonus pieces, I'll be wrong, but we are clearly better positioned to IMPROVE the team this summer than we would have been by keeping Korver, who, like our current pieces who replaced him, are likely not good enough to win a title. And then of course in 2014 we're MUCH better positioned to improve the team than we would have been by keeping Omer.

[pwrshft99]

There are only so many superstars in this league and less that are available.

Sadly, tanking might not have been such a horrible idea. We aren't winning this year and the Heat will become vulnerable as Wade gets older. Adding a lotto pick to go with our list of assets could have opened up a new window for us.