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KingCuban wrote:I can't guarantee anything, because i don't know Jo, but i would be shocked if he actually believed this, given his attitude on the floor every night.
HomoSapien wrote:
2. This sucks. It's completely deflating. If I'm part of a team that's busting my ass and I hear that our MVP still think we essentially stink, it really brings me down. Things like this are enough to poison a team. Being involved in trade talks are part of the game. Having your best players family publicly insult you isn't.
Gar Paxdorf wrote:There is a key difference, as I've outlined. By letting Korver go, we have Kirk to trade, whereas we would not have had Korver to trade, AND we have the TPE. Now, if they don't use those bonus pieces, I'll be wrong, but we are clearly better positioned to IMPROVE the team this summer than we would have been by keeping Korver, who, like our current pieces who replaced him, are likely not good enough to win a title. And then of course in 2014 we're MUCH better positioned to improve the team than we would have been by keeping Omer.
Rerisen wrote:LeBron was in Cleveland 7 years before 'the Decision'. I don't think Rose would ever demand out, at worst think about resigning elsewhere. But that is years away, and this probably just a bump in the road hopefully.
Things weren't always peachy with MJ either, though its easy to see the past through rose colored (no pun) glasses that everything went smooth all the time.
Miami will probably have to break up the Heatles due to repeater and Wade is getting older too. So everything through the lens of beating Miami might ease up here before Rose is ready for a new deal.
WinCity wrote:DuckIII wrote:
You are reading too much into my reading too much.Rose isn't the mastermind. He's just pretty clearly part of the plan that they've executed. I.e., he cannot be isolated and defended. He's involved.
And no, I'm not saying he's leaving. And I most certainly am not saying I want him to leave. Yes, I'm questioning his character. But I also said in 2010 that I wanted LeBron even though he was a douche. I want victories.
I'm simply noting that coldfish, I think it was, rightly noted that every time a superstar went down this road recently, other than Kobe, he ended up ghost. Which worries me. It doesn't worry you?
I mean damn, I'm a harsh son of a bitch in this thread, but I want Derrick Rose to be a Bull for life.
I dont agree that Rose is going the same path as Howard or Ledouchebag. Howard was halfway out the door when he started criticizing the lack roster, and Douche was already gone before he made it clear to the public he was unhappy with his roster in CLE. Rose just signed up long term. He is clearly committed to Chicago long term. These comments dont read like a player looking for a way out, they read like a guy looking to improve the situation right where he is. Frankly, the only thing that worries me as that JR will not get the message. Then we could actually have a long term problem.
Wingy wrote:HomoSapien wrote:
2. This sucks. It's completely deflating. If I'm part of a team that's busting my ass and I hear that our MVP still think we essentially stink, it really brings me down. Things like this are enough to poison a team. Being involved in trade talks are part of the game. Having your best players family publicly insult you isn't.
Where does this keep coming from? In what universe does this team actually buy into Thibs's "we have more than enough" bull and truly believes it can beat Miami in the playoffs?
ThreeYearPlan wrote:Bulls fans defend HomoSapien more than Rose.
pwrshft99 wrote:There are only so many superstars in this league and less that are available.
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Rerisen wrote:LeBron was in Cleveland 7 years before 'the Decision'. I don't think Rose would ever demand out, at worst think about resigning elsewhere. But that is years away, and this probably just a bump in the road hopefully.
Things weren't always peachy with MJ either, though its easy to see the past through rose colored (no pun) glasses that everything went smooth all the time.
Miami will probably have to break up the Heatles due to repeater and Wade is getting older too. So everything through the lens of beating Miami might ease up here before Rose is ready for a new deal.
Gar Paxdorf wrote:Rerisen wrote:LeBron was in Cleveland 7 years before 'the Decision'. I don't think Rose would ever demand out, at worst think about resigning elsewhere. But that is years away, and this probably just a bump in the road hopefully.
Things weren't always peachy with MJ either, though its easy to see the past through rose colored (no pun) glasses that everything went smooth all the time.
Miami will probably have to break up the Heatles due to repeater and Wade is getting older too. So everything through the lens of beating Miami might ease up here before Rose is ready for a new deal.
Yeah, it's like people are completely forgetting how much griping MJ did just because it was before the twitter era. MJ straight up almost left in the middle of the second dynasty to go to the Knicks. Kobe almost left. Paul Pierce bitched until he got KG and Ray, etc. This is all par for the course.
Nice, well behaved boys don't generally win NBA titles. Even Tim Duncan isn't as nice as people think. These players believe they run the league and are it's most important parties. They're right.
Rerisen wrote:This is too much speculation not vs this year but myriad future potential moves. That yes, could potentially turn out better if we find the next OJ Mayo with the TPE or something. But I've long been of the opinion that 2014 is just a mirage oasis in the desert. 2014 space is only there with amnesty and removal of Deng, and I don't see the huge name player to replace that lost talent worthy of the max.
HomoSapien wrote:3. D-Rose should point the finger at himself. If he wanted more help, he shouldn't have been so passive in 2010. Right now, his biggest contribution in that department is helping recruit Kirk Hinrich - the very type of teammate that Reggie seems to be complaining about.
If I'm Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, I'm furious at Rose right now. They have willed this team into success and have earned All-Star selections. They deserve better than that from the Rose family.
HomoSapien wrote:
These guys have feelings. They're not robots. Many of us are assuming that this is coming from DRose, so it's safe to assume that some of the players would have made that assumption too. It's a "womp" and I truly do believe that it's the type of thing that could poison the team.
Hopefully it doesn't.
HomoSapien wrote:2. This sucks. It's completely deflating. If I'm part of a team that's busting my ass and I hear that our MVP still think we essentially stink, it really brings me down. Things like this are enough to poison a team. Being involved in trade talks are part of the game. Having your best players family publicly insult you isn't.
HomoSapien wrote:3. D-Rose should point the finger at himself. If he wanted more help, he shouldn't have been so passive in 2010. Right now, his biggest contribution in that department is helping recruit Kirk Hinrich - the very type of teammate that Reggie seems to be complaining about.
If I'm Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, I'm furious at Rose right now. They have willed this team into success and have earned All-Star selections. They deserve better than that from the Rose family.
suckfish wrote:Reminder: NBA players are stupid.
Rerisen wrote:HomoSapien wrote:2. This sucks. It's completely deflating. If I'm part of a team that's busting my ass and I hear that our MVP still think we essentially stink, it really brings me down. Things like this are enough to poison a team. Being involved in trade talks are part of the game. Having your best players family publicly insult you isn't.
Team has been deflating for a while now on the court I think. They are tired of playing without Rose, and just plain tired from the minutes and effort they need to put out to win. And some recent losses have made it apparent the team is not as strong as it was the last two years. Reggie spoke some truths that I think the team probably already realizes.
Basically everything is on Rose to come back and be a savior to this limping offense, yet again. And I can see why Reggie tried to deflate that pressure a little bit. As Rose is likely coming back soon, but isn't going to have enough to lead this team to the promised land just coming back. This is like a preemptive strike saying, let's make this the last year we are undergunned. Of course looking at our situation, its not going to be easy to remedy eve next year.
ThreeYearPlan wrote:Bulls fans defend HomoSapien more than Rose.
HomoSapien wrote:
If I'm Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, I'm furious at Rose right now. They have willed this team into success and have earned All-Star selections. They deserve better than that from the Rose family.
LawSon18 wrote:I REALLY, REALLY love the Bulls, but good lord our fans are THE WORST, if this thread is any indication.
Gar Paxdorf wrote:I'm talking about 2013-14 being better than this year because of essentially swapping the benefit of having Korver for this year only with having the TPE and Kirk's deal for next year.
But anyway, we don't have to lose Deng to get a max FA in 2014. We just need him to be on board with the scheme. The cap space option is just to leverage other teams into S&Ting us players for some combination of Boozer, Taj, Jimmy, picks, etc. Then you keep Deng with bird rights.