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Re: Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity 

Post#1021 » by HomoSapien » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:20 am

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HomoSapien wrote:3. D-Rose should point the finger at himself. If he wanted more help, he shouldn't have been so passive in 2010. Right now, his biggest contribution in that department is helping recruit Kirk Hinrich - the very type of teammate that Reggie seems to be complaining about.

Homes, what was Rose going to say that would change the minds of Lebron, Wade, & Bosh?...That ship had sailed years earlier when those three decided to play together.

What was Rose going to say to Joe Johnson?....JJ wasn't gonna walk away from the contract Atlanta offered.

What was Rose going to say to Amare?....The Knicks jumped on him immediately with a stupid contract designed to help lure Lebron.

The only players left were Boozer & David Lee. We got Boozer.


He's Derrick Rose. He is a big-time player in this league. He sure as hell could have done a lot more than he did. If a lack of talent is his issue, then he probably should do more then send a throw away text to the best player in the NBA.
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Post#1022 » by CalilLove89 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:20 am

CousinOfDeath wrote:Can somebody point me in the direction of the rant thread? That's all I'm capable of right now and I don't want to ruin this thread.


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Post#1023 » by LobosJordan » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:21 am

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If I'm Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, I'm furious at Rose right now. They have willed this team into success and have earned All-Star selections. They deserve better than that from the Rose family.


If you're Luol Deng and Noah, you aren't furious that the Bulls FO threw in the towel this year by downgrading talent over the summer? And you aren't more furious that every single trade rumor the Bulls were involved in were essentially salary dumps?

Those things don't piss you off, but Reggie Rose pointing that stuff out pissed you off?

Very weird way to look at things, IMO. If I'm a player on the team, and the FO starts dumping players left and right because the star player got injured, that says to me that the FO doesn't believe in us. And when that star player (or his brother) complains about this, I'm likely cheering him on, not complaining.

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Re: Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity 

Post#1024 » by CalilLove89 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:23 am

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HomoSapien wrote:3. D-Rose should point the finger at himself. If he wanted more help, he shouldn't have been so passive in 2010. Right now, his biggest contribution in that department is helping recruit Kirk Hinrich - the very type of teammate that Reggie seems to be complaining about.

Homes, what was Rose going to say that would change the minds of Lebron, Wade, & Bosh?...That ship had sailed years earlier when those three decided to play together.

What was Rose going to say to Joe Johnson?....JJ wasn't gonna walk away from the contract Atlanta offered.

What was Rose going to say to Amare?....The Knicks jumped on him immediately with a stupid contract designed to help lure Lebron.

The only players left were Boozer & David Lee. We got Boozer.


He's Derrick Rose. He is a big-time player in this league. He sure as hell could have done a lot more than he did. If a lack of talent is his issue, then he probably should do more then send a throw away text to the best player in the NBA.


Don't worry man, we got Kirk.

And that was a Drose approved move too.
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Post#1025 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:23 am

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HomoSapien wrote:3. D-Rose should point the finger at himself. If he wanted more help, he shouldn't have been so passive in 2010. Right now, his biggest contribution in that department is helping recruit Kirk Hinrich - the very type of teammate that Reggie seems to be complaining about.

If I'm Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, I'm furious at Rose right now. They have willed this team into success and have earned All-Star selections. They deserve better than that from the Rose family.


Completely agree with these two points. As a fanbase, we need to stop giving Rose a free pass when it comes to talent acquisition and laying all the blame with the FO. Start suggesting a team up with Kevin Love, make a few calls to James Harden or Paul George, pull some strings to get Nikola Mirotic over here. Don't just sit there doing nothing but pout at the FO and expect things to happen. Free agency is a two-way street, gotta convince people to want to come here as much as you want to push GarPax to make them magically appear.

And count me among those not happy with the way Deng and Noah in particular got thrown under the bus, especially with how hard those two play and the really good/great year Noah has had this season.


How did Noah and Deng get thrown under the bus when they were the two he specifically singled out as "great players"?
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Post#1026 » by Wingy » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:24 am

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If I'm Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, I'm furious at Rose right now. They have willed this team into success and have earned All-Star selections. They deserve better than that from the Rose family.


If you're Luol Deng and Noah, you aren't furious that the Bulls FO threw in the towel this year by downgrading talent over the summer? And you aren't more furious that every single trade rumor the Bulls were involved in were essentially salary dumps?

Those things don't piss you off, but Reggie Rose pointing that stuff out pissed you off?

Very weird way to look at things, IMO. If I'm a player on the team, and the FO starts dumping players left and right because the star player got injured, that says to me that the FO doesn't believe in us. And when that star player (or his brother) complains about this, I'm likely cheering him on, not complaining.


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Post#1027 » by The Explorer » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:24 am

David Haugh's In the Wake of the News
February 22, 2013

Growing up in Englewood and blossoming into NBA superstardom beyond Chicago, Derrick Rose always could count on older brother Reggie to protect him from everything.

So when Reggie Rose does something that potentially harms Derrick, even if only his reputation, the city of broad shoulders does more than shrug. We shake our heads. And wince a little.

That's what happened Thursday after Reggie Rose ripped Bulls management's inactivity at the trade deadline in an ill-timed, illogical rant to ESPNChicago.com. Who's giving Reggie PR advice, Oney Guillen?

"It's frustrating to see my brother play his heart and soul out for the team and them not put anything around him," Reggie Rose told ESPNChicago.com. "What have you pieced together? Have you made any moves? Have you made any trades to get better? You know all roads to the championship lead through Miami. What pieces have you put together for the physical playoffs? … Joakim Noah is a great player. Luol Deng is a great player. But you need more than that.''

Reggie's unexpected, critical comments overshadowed the Bulls' 86-67 loss to the Heat at the United Center and resonated so loudly that Derrick Rose felt compelled to issue a comment before tipoff.

"I have always felt that the Bulls organization's goals have been the same as mine and that is to bring another championship to this city,'' Derrick said.

The Bulls released the succinct, 25-word statement after team officials John Paxson and Gar Forman stopped Derrick in a hallway after a pre-game shootaround and ushered him into a private room. Five minutes later, D-Rose emerged but declined to comment as he breezed past reporters.

Reggie Rose sat in his usual courtside seat behind the west basket and bristled when I approached him during a first-quarter timeout to discuss his inflammatory comments.

"Reggie, do you have anything you want to add to your comments today?'' I asked.

"No comment,'' he answered.

"Do you regret anything you said?''

"What would I regret?''

"That you put Derrick in an uncomfortable spot.''

"That's my brother. That's my brother who you say I put in an uncomfortable spot.''

Reggie's eyes widened and he paused.

"Remember that!'' he said. "No comment.''


With that, Reggie Rose turned away to watch his brother's Bulls teammates he disrespected get blown out by the defending NBA champs. It would be wrong to say Bulls players were distracted. It would be exaggerating to say Paxson or Forman were miffed; Paxson even tried making a joke.

Frustrated or not, both officials stressed what everybody in the Bulls organization suggested: Those comments sound like Reggie but not Derrick, who Paxson said never has complained about the roster. Remember, Derrick was the guy who embraced the status quo enough to lobby publicly to keep Keith Bogans before the 2011-12 season. Keith Bogans.

"Obviously Reggie and Derrick are very close,'' Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau said. "It's not a big deal. We all want the same thing. We want Derrick's health and we're trying to pursue winning a championship. Reggie's entitled to his own opinion.''

As difficult as the conversation would be, Derrick has to tell Reggie to keep those strong opinions to himself. They make good copy but bad harmony. They only reinforce the idea that Derrick's growing entourage, including his agency and Adidas, will be more involved in deciding when or if he returns than the Bulls are comfortable.

Derrick Rose is 24 and the CEO of his own $355 million corporation. When an employee goes rogue and reflects poorly on the boss, even if he is family, he must be called on it — and not just by Charles Barkley on TNT.

Nobody who knows Derrick thinks Reggie speaks for him, but not everybody knows Derrick. Reggie stressed that he wasn't speaking for Derrick, but Reggie is Derrick's manager.

No matter how much distance the Bulls quickly put between Reggie's words and Derrick's feelings, somebody still might wonder whether the comments reflect what the two brothers discuss with their guards down. Someone might wonder where the trepidation stems from when Reggie told ESPNChicago.com that Derrick returning isn't "about just making the playoffs, it's about my little brother's career.''

Some things about his little brother's career Reggie might have forgotten.

The Bulls are paying Derrick $95 million to play, if healthy, whether they have a shot of winning it all or qualifying for the lottery. The new collective bargaining agreement saddled the Bulls with more than originally budgeted for Derrick's maximum contract extension, meaning the "Derrick Rose Rule,'' made it harder for his team to sign expensive players Reggie wants. Still, the Bulls will pay the luxury tax for the first time in history.

Yes, the Bulls were quiet at the trade deadline. If only Reggie Rose had stayed that way too.
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Post#1028 » by kristov » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:25 am

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Gar Paxdorf wrote:There is a key difference, as I've outlined. By letting Korver go, we have Kirk to trade, whereas we would not have had Korver to trade, AND we have the TPE. Now, if they don't use those bonus pieces, I'll be wrong, but we are clearly better positioned to IMPROVE the team this summer than we would have been by keeping Korver, who, like our current pieces who replaced him, are likely not good enough to win a title. And then of course in 2014 we're MUCH better positioned to improve the team than we would have been by keeping Omer.


This is too much speculation not vs this year but myriad future potential moves. That yes, could potentially turn out better if we find the next OJ Mayo with the TPE or something. But I've long been of the opinion that 2014 is just a mirage oasis in the desert. 2014 space is only there with amnesty and removal of Deng, and I don't see the huge name player to replace that lost talent worthy of the max.


Lebron will be available.The Bulls will have to cut a few million in order to sign him to a max contract but that will depend on the cap.
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Post#1029 » by BIGGIEsmalls 23 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:26 am

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HomoSapien wrote:3. D-Rose should point the finger at himself. If he wanted more help, he shouldn't have been so passive in 2010. Right now, his biggest contribution in that department is helping recruit Kirk Hinrich - the very type of teammate that Reggie seems to be complaining about.

Homes, what was Rose going to say that would change the minds of Lebron, Wade, & Bosh?...That ship had sailed years earlier when those three decided to play together.

What was Rose going to say to Joe Johnson?....JJ wasn't gonna walk away from the contract Atlanta offered.

What was Rose going to say to Amare?....The Knicks jumped on him immediately with a stupid contract designed to help lure Lebron.

The only players left were Boozer & David Lee. We got Boozer.


He's Derrick Rose. He is a big-time player in this league. He sure as hell could have done a lot more than he did. If a lack of talent is his issue, then he probably should do more then send a throw away text to the best player in the NBA.

I don't know if I should respond or simply allow you to get out your frustrations because, as I noted above, there was absolutely nothing that Rose could say to these players in the Summer of 2010.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh, JJ, & Amare could care less if Rose sent them a handwritten 4 page letter. They were not coming here.
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Re: Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity 

Post#1030 » by Wingy » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:26 am

HomoSapien wrote:He's Derrick Rose. He is a big-time player in this league. He sure as hell could have done a lot more than he did. If a lack of talent is his issue, then he probably should do more then send a throw away text to the best player in the NBA.


Wait...wasn't that widely defended as a not throwing your current teammates under the bus move? Rose is damned he does, damned if he doesn't. FTR, I damn him for not recruiting more.
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Post#1031 » by League Circles » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:27 am

Do people realize that Reggie is probably a lot more like Derrick's dad than his friend or partner?

Did Reggie live with Derrick? No, it was Derricks' three closest friends - not Reggie.

Reggie is FOURTEEN YEARS OLDER THAN DERRICK. It is so absolutely and positively believable that he is trying to control Derrick, and, in failing to do so as Rose is clearly about to play, got pissed and let his resentment be used against the team by the writer.

You guys gotta remember this. It isn't like some normal brothers who are peers, partners, best friends. This is basically a guy of a different generation, who frankly probably owes all of his financial wellbeing to Derrick, and once it was out of his hands (Derrick being essentially about to return), he did the only thing he could, he exercised the only power he could. He's essentially irrelevant.

As for criticizing Derrick's response, what do you guys want him to do, tell the world his old man brother is full of **** and make it a bigger story? Derrick said he disagreed with Reggie in as low key way as possible to make the story go away ASAP.
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Post#1032 » by HomoSapien » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:28 am

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If I'm Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, I'm furious at Rose right now. They have willed this team into success and have earned All-Star selections. They deserve better than that from the Rose family.


If you're Luol Deng and Noah, you aren't furious that the Bulls FO threw in the towel this year by downgrading talent over the summer? And you aren't more furious that every single trade rumor the Bulls were involved in were essentially salary dumps?

Those things don't piss you off, but Reggie Rose pointing that stuff out pissed you off?

Very weird way to look at things, IMO. If I'm a player on the team, and the FO starts dumping players left and right because the star player got injured, that says to me that the FO doesn't believe in us. And when that star player (or his brother) complains about this, I'm likely cheering him on, not complaining.


That's a poor attempt to put words in my mouth. I have a long history of criticizing management for the things you mentioned.

Management's short comings doesn't make this OK in my opinion. There's a time and place to do this. If it was such a problem, it should have been said during the off-season when we gave up the bench mob. If not then, then how about well before the trade deadline? If not then, why not wait till the off-season? What good does it do saying after the trade deadling right before Rose is set to return. It just puts a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
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Post#1033 » by GetBuLLish » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:28 am

The funny thing about the people talking about how poor little Deng and Noah's feelings are hurt because they're not good enough for Rose is this:

these guys have seen Rose playing in practice. And by many accounts, Rose is doing very well, even dominating. So there's a pretty damn good chance that these guys know that Rose is coming back. So this whole idea that they're all crying because Rose hurt their feelings is likely a bunch of BS.

Which would mean that all the b*tching about Reggie's comments are just that...b*tching.
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Post#1034 » by Rerisen » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:30 am

Reggie took one for Derrick. He is getting crushed in the media, probably expected. And that gives the Bulls good cover to not really be disrupted by it. Just Reggie, over invested family, going overboard! But its out there. And will hang over moves they do, or don't do, going forward.
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Post#1035 » by HomoSapien » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:30 am

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Wait...wasn't that widely defended as a not throwing your current teammates under the bus move? Rose is damned he does, damned if he doesn't. FTR, I damn him for not recruiting more.


That doesn't make sense. We had the capspace to sign LeBron.
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Post#1036 » by Indomitable » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:31 am

When Denver kicked our butt on TNT was that on Reggie Rose. We are a limited team who would be struggling to make the playoffs in the west.

We are not elite.
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Post#1037 » by Wingy » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:32 am

HomoSapien wrote:
Wingy wrote:
Wait...wasn't that widely defended as a not throwing your current teammates under the bus move? Rose is damned he does, damned if he doesn't. FTR, I damn him for not recruiting more.


That doesn't make sense. We had the capspace to sign LeBron.


Yeah...which would've pushed Deng out of the starting lineup probably, and possibly makes him trade bait to land a true 2 guard so Lebron can play the 3. There were specific articles talking about that.
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Post#1038 » by kulaz3000 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:33 am

Indomitable wrote:When Denver kicked our butt on TNT was that on Reggie Rose. We are a limited team who would be struggling to make the playoffs in the west.

We are not elite.


Well no sh*t, we're missing our best player. He should at least run up and down the court with our team before using Reggie to throw the team under the bus, don't you think?
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Post#1039 » by MVP Rose » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:33 am

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Me too. Disagreeing with other Bulls fans is a good reason to want the franchise player to bolt.

Actually, I don't want him to leave. I'm rooting for him to stay, retire a Bull, and have his number retired. But you guys can root for the other, free country and all that.

Some of us don't evaluate the personality of a player, and whether or not his conduct is subject to criticism, based on his basketball talent.


No, I just don't act like a 12 year old girl when the franchise player's brother tries lighting a fire under the Bulls FO to get them to fully compete for a title.

You bringing up Rose's SAT makes it seem like Rose just sucker punched your child in front of you. What else do you want to bring up as a result of one article? And what would you bring up if Rose one day demands to be traded? "Rose grew up without a dad. We should have seen this from the beginning."

Rose has been insanely loyal to his teammates, the organization, and the city since he was drafted. He's worked his ass off to become the youngest MVP ever. He signed a contract without an opt out. He's almost single handedly made the Bulls nationally relevant (and even in Chicago, tv ratings are down by 50% w/o him). He has not one time singled out a teammate in public. But the one time he maybe indirectly says he needs more help, you are gonna bring up his SATs? What a f*cking joke.


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Post#1040 » by DuckIII » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:33 am

Rerisen wrote:Reggie took one for Derrick. He is getting crushed in the media, probably expected. And that gives the Bulls good cover to not really be disrupted by it. Just Reggie, over invested family going overboard! But its out there. And will hang over moves they do, or don't do, going forward.


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