Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[ryan44]

Why do you keep saying this about 2010 & you never answered my post when it was addressed?

I will repeat it again, Homes.

What was Rose going to say that would change the minds of Lebron, Wade, & Bosh?...That ship had sailed years earlier when those three decided to play together.

What was Rose going to say to Joe Johnson?....JJ wasn't gonna walk away from the contract Atlanta offered.

What was Rose going to say to Amare?....The Knicks jumped on him immediately with a stupid contract designed to help lure Lebron.

The only players left were Boozer & David Lee. We got Boozer.

I don't see how that lets Rose off the hook? Whether or not LeBron, Wade, and Bosh had made up their minds beforehand doesn't mean that Rose didn't handle the situation rather poorly, unless you're going to make the claim that Rose knew about all these agreements and thus knew with 100% certainty that nothing he said would make any difference.

[bullsnewdynasty]

People still think the Bulls could have landed LeBron in 2010?

Please...just stop. Give up the revisionist history.

[HomoSapien]

Why do you keep saying this about 2010 & you never answered my post when it was addressed?

I will repeat it again, Homes.

What was Rose going to say that would change the minds of Lebron, Wade, & Bosh?...That ship had sailed years earlier when those three decided to play together.

What was Rose going to say to Joe Johnson?....JJ wasn't gonna walk away from the contract Atlanta offered.

What was Rose going to say to Amare?....The Knicks jumped on him immediately with a stupid contract designed to help lure Lebron.

The only players left were Boozer & David Lee. We got Boozer.

First of all, I did respond to your post.

Second, I don't agree. Nothing is set in stone. People change their minds all the time. To argue that having Derrick Rose gush over you and correctly explain how Chicago is a good situation wouldn't have made any impact at all is purely speculation.

As an example, I work for a major television studio and deal with A-List talent on a daily level. We hear all the time about how "so and so" isn't interested in doing TV or working with our studio over a different one. Next thing you'll know, we'll have our big guns call that star directly send over some creative gifts, and they end up agreeing to sign with our studio.

Additionally, I really don't understand what you're getting at. What you've said above, even if true, doesn't change the fact that Rose is complaining about something when he did basically nothing to help the Bulls recruit top talent.

[WinCity]

The assumption or deduction that Reggie Rose is speaking on behalf of Derrick is really poorly supported. Although I think it's quite possible Derrick feels that way privately. But I don't think Derrick wanted something like this made public because it doesn't make him look good, and it doesn't do much for anybody frankly.


I think this is Reggie sounding off on his own personal frustrations. I think Reggie's the one controlling Derrick. Not t'other way round. I think he's the one leaking "Derrick might not come back unless the team has something to play for" stuff. I think Rose himself has the same attitude he's had since the injury, and that is that he won't rush it, he won't jeopardize his career, but he is eager to play, and will play the moment he is truly comfortable and not a moment before it.

I don't see it as nearly the dramatic situation many paint it to be. Even Reggie "throwing the Bulls under the bus" isn't much of a toss. He mentions most of our starters as "great players" then says "well you need more to beat Miami." If that deflates this Bulls team, this Bulls team needs thicker skin.

What you are saying regarding Reggie and Derrick is totally possible. We all have to make our own assumptions there. Concerning the last part I totally agree. The players arent going to be much effected by this. Derrick has always been a good, supportive teammate. If he says its just Reggie expressing himself, then thats the end of it. No one would ask him to completely ridicule his older brother. It frankly was not even that critical as you pointed out.

[Wingy]

We're not talking Rose...we're talking about your opinion of the team's psyche and how it's influenced by Derrick Rose. You say on one hand that 2 years ago they should've been fine being looked down upon in comparison to Lebron. Today, that's no longer ok for some reason.

The difference is:

1.) It's not publicly calling Luol Deng out by saying you'd love to play with LeBron James, Wade, or Bosh.
2.) This is in the middle of season when with all things considered we have played well and are considered a contender with Rose returning.

Deng specifically singled out with Noah outside the rest of the entire team and publicly called a great player! Where is the injurious comments towards Deng exactly?

[League Circles]

The assumption or deduction that Reggie Rose is speaking on behalf of Derrick is really poorly supported. Although I think it's quite possible Derrick feels that way privately. But I don't think Derrick wanted something like this made public because it doesn't make him look good, and it doesn't do much for anybody frankly.


I think this is Reggie sounding off on his own personal frustrations. I think Reggie's the one controlling Derrick. Not t'other way round. I think he's the one leaking "Derrick might not come back unless the team has something to play for" stuff. I think Rose himself has the same attitude he's had since the injury, and that is that he won't rush it, he won't jeopardize his career, but he is eager to play, and will play the moment he is truly comfortable and not a moment before it.

I don't see it as nearly the dramatic situation many paint it to be. Even Reggie "throwing the Bulls under the bus" isn't much of a toss. He mentions most of our starters as "great players" then says "well you need more to beat Miami." If that deflates this Bulls team, this Bulls team needs thicker skin.

THANK YOU. If people won't listen to me say it, hopefully they listen to a retired mod!

Does anyone has any idea if Reggie Rose has ever done anything in his adult life other than try to "protect" (control) his generationally younger, superstar brother?

[HINrichPolice]

Haven't read any of this thread. Not one page.

Honestly, I'm surprised to see how big this thread got. I'll maintain my current position by giving Rose the benefit of the doubt (which I don't understand why people wouldn't) that Rose is doing everything he can to get back on the court to help his team this season. There's no doubt in my mind that this is his only focus. And naturally, those around him will likely be overprotective of him because they stand to gain based on Derrick's success. No surprises here.

[ryan44]

People still think the Bulls could have landed LeBron in 2010?

Please...just stop. Give up the revisionist history.

Whether or not the team had a legitimate shot at LeBron doesn't change the fact that Rose handled the situation poorly in terms of trying to establish rapports with free agents, unless you're making the claim that Rose knew how everything was going to turn out before the rest of the world.

[Wingy]

I don't see how that lets Rose off the hook? Whether or not LeBron, Wade, and Bosh had made up their minds beforehand doesn't mean that Rose didn't handle the situation rather poorly, unless you're going to make the claim that Rose knew about all these agreements and thus knew with 100% certainty that nothing he said would make any difference.

Where does Rose get off the hook? Shall I dig up the multiple threads of people bashing him for not recruiting?...and again, I'm probably in those threads as a basher.

[ryan44]

I don't see how that lets Rose off the hook? Whether or not LeBron, Wade, and Bosh had made up their minds beforehand doesn't mean that Rose didn't handle the situation rather poorly, unless you're going to make the claim that Rose knew about all these agreements and thus knew with 100% certainty that nothing he said would make any difference.

Where does Rose get off the hook? Shall I dig up the multiple threads of people bashing him for not recruiting?...and again, I'm probably in those threads as a basher.

In reading BIGGIE's post, it certainly looks like he's trying to dismiss any blame on Rose since apparently nothing was going to change the outcome (with the benefit of hindsight, which Rose didn't have at that point).

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Why do you keep saying this about 2010 & you never answered my post when it was addressed?

I will repeat it again, Homes.

What was Rose going to say that would change the minds of Lebron, Wade, & Bosh?...That ship had sailed years earlier when those three decided to play together.

What was Rose going to say to Joe Johnson?....JJ wasn't gonna walk away from the contract Atlanta offered.

What was Rose going to say to Amare?....The Knicks jumped on him immediately with a stupid contract designed to help lure Lebron.

The only players left were Boozer & David Lee. We got Boozer.

I don't see how that lets Rose off the hook? Whether or not LeBron, Wade, and Bosh had made up their minds beforehand doesn't mean that Rose didn't handle the situation rather poorly, unless you're going to make the claim that Rose knew about all these agreements and thus knew with 100% certainty that nothing he said would make any difference.

How in the hell did Rose handle it poorly if you are admitting that Lebron, Wade, & bosh had already made up their minds?

[GetBuLLish]

I don't see it as nearly the dramatic situation many paint it to be. Even Reggie "throwing the Bulls under the bus" isn't much of a toss. He mentions most of our starters as "great players" then says "well you need more to beat Miami." If that deflates this Bulls team, this Bulls team needs thicker skin.

Not only that, but Rose has publicly lauded his teammates every single time he has spoken about them. He has publicly taken the blame for practically every loss.

If this one comment from his brother brings these guys to tears like so many on this board believe, then you're correct, they need thicker skin.

But again, I would bet that many of the players, especially Noah and Deng, agree with Reggie. I bet they've been pissed watching players get dumped and constantly hearing rumors about more players getting dumped.

Talk about hurt feelings...how about Boozer hearing that he's been offered to Toronto, that the offer will always be on the table for Toronto, and Toronto rejects it. Or how about Rip hearing that the FO is trying to dump him on any team in the entire league...and the FO can't find any takers.

Maybe we should add another duty to Rose's list of jobs: team therapist.

[ryan44]

How in the hell did Rose handle it poorly if you are admitting that Lebron, Wade, & bosh had already made up their minds?

Because Rose didn't know that yet? If Rose knew the outcome was predetermined, fine. Are you saying he knew what was going to happen? Or are you going to argue that Rose not trying to build a relationship with free agents was just as good an option as actively talking to them about joining the Bulls?

[HomoSapien]

We're not talking Rose...we're talking about your opinion of the team's psyche and how it's influenced by Derrick Rose. You say on one hand that 2 years ago they should've been fine being looked down upon in comparison to Lebron. Today, that's no longer ok for some reason.

The difference is:

1.) It's not publicly calling Luol Deng out by saying you'd love to play with LeBron James, Wade, or Bosh.
2.) This is in the middle of season when with all things considered we have played well and are considered a contender with Rose returning.

Deng specifically singled out with Noah outside the rest of the entire team and publicly called a great player! Where is the injurious comments towards Deng exactly?

If you couldn't read between the lines in Reggie's statement, then I don't know what to tell you. It's a major slap in the face to be told that your team isn't good enough to amount to the thing that they have been fighting really hard for.

[Hokie]

Haven't read any of this thread. Not one page.

Honestly, I'm surprised to see how big this thread got. I'll maintain my current position by giving Rose the benefit of the doubt (which I don't understand why people wouldn't) that Rose is doing everything he can to get back on the court to help his team this season. There's no doubt in my mind that this is his only focus. And naturally, those around him will likely be overprotective of him because they stand to gain based on Derrick's success. No surprises here.

Yeah, I really can't believe this thread has taken on 70+ pages in roughly ten hours.

[Wingy]

If you couldn't read between the lines in Reggie's statement, then I don't know what to tell you. It's a major slap in the face to be told that your team isn't good enough to amount to the thing that they have been fighting really hard for.

I mean...agree to disagree. It's pretty silly to think the team doesn't realize that what Reggie is saying is nothing but absolute truth. I'm pretty sure they know deep down they can't beat Miami in the playoffs. Doesn't mean they aren't going to fight as hard as they can...but they know the reality, they aren't stupid.

They couldn't last time with homecourt...which they wouldn't have this time. We are less talented....we have less size, less shooting...a less healthy Derrick, a Heat team with 1.5 seasons + additional chemistry and much worse...an even better Lebron.

I fail to see the major slap in the face being told you can't be Miami in a 7 game series.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

How in the hell did Rose handle it poorly if you are admitting that Lebron, Wade, & bosh had already made up their minds?

Because Rose didn't know that yet? If Rose knew the outcome was predetermined, fine. Are you saying he knew what was going to happen? Or are you going to argue that Rose not trying to build a relationship with free agents was just as good an option as actively talking to them about joining the Bulls?

None of your questions are making any sense.

You knew about the Olympic arrangement between Lebron, Bosh, & Wade. The media knew about it. The posters of RealGM knew about it. Why in the world wouldn't other NBA players know about it?

You quoted my post, but you have yet to show how any of the red sentences were false. I'm gonna exit the thread for the night because it seems that posters are now reaching up their ass to find something/anything to criticize Rose about.

[DuckIII]

The assumption or deduction that Reggie Rose is speaking on behalf of Derrick is really poorly supported. Although I think it's quite possible Derrick feels that way privately. But I don't think Derrick wanted something like this made public because it doesn't make him look good, and it doesn't do much for anybody frankly.


I think this is Reggie sounding off on his own personal frustrations.

THANK YOU. If people won't listen to me say it, hopefully they listen to a retired mod!

I've edited both quoted posts, so if I'm altering both of your intent say so. But lets talk about this notion as Reg, rogue. Timeline:

Months before Rose's health and ability to return are knowable, Bucher reports that Rose's camp will hold out Rose, even if healthy enough to play, because the FO made moves or didn't make moves that bars title contention and that's all that matters to Rose. We laugh at and condemn Bucher for the report.

Bucher keeps reporting it.

Rose's teammates glow about how healthy and ready he is, many weeks ago.

Afterwards, Rose gives a planned interview to a national outlet, without the knowledge of the FO, that he might not play at all this season, and that he's totally okay with it if he doesn't.

This is weeks before the trade deadline.

Minutes after the trade deadline passes, Reg makes public statements entirely consistent with the Bucher reports and Derrick's own statements about not playing this year. Threatening that Rose might sit out the season because the team isn't good enough.

And despite this, the notion that Rose isn't on board and involved with how this played out is poorly supported. Explain that. Explain why that chronology invalidates this supposition or undercuts the rationale.

I would love nothing more than to be reassured that I am an idiot. My wife has been telling me that for years, but I remain unconvinced.

[The Explorer]

I agree with the poster who mentioned it earlier...this thread is like crack

[ryan44]

How in the hell did Rose handle it poorly if you are admitting that Lebron, Wade, & bosh had already made up their minds?

Because Rose didn't know that yet? If Rose knew the outcome was predetermined, fine. Are you saying he knew what was going to happen? Or are you going to argue that Rose not trying to build a relationship with free agents was just as good an option as actively talking to them about joining the Bulls?

None of your questions are making any sense.

You knew about the Olympic arrangement between Lebron, Bosh, & Wade. The media knew about it. The posters of RealGM knew about it. Why in the world wouldn't other NBA players know about it?

You quoted my post, but you have yet to show how any of the red sentences were false. I'm gonna exit the thread for the night because it seems that posters are now reaching up their ass to find something/anything to criticize Rose about.

For everyone apparently knowing about the agreement between LeBron, Wade, and Bosh, there were certainly a ton of threads on multiple boards, as well as endless hours of media speculation on where they would end up, not to mention the effort put together by the FO of multiple teams. Only AFTER THE DECISION did everyone start taking the Olympic story seriously since that's how it ended up playing out. If some posters are finding new ways to criticize Rose, just as many are bending over backwards to try and take all the blame away from him.