The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt.III

[GhostsOfGil]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i6ikcAQmDg[/youtube]

Dunk of the year so far IMO.

[Shem]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cFn3pDPdXI[/youtube]

[JungleCat022]

Waiters: 16 points, 6-10 shooting, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block

[POWER]

Waiters shooting percentage has been impressive last bunch of games for a SG. Speaking about rookie dunk of the year, MKG or Barnes? Both are powerful facials against C's, but i would pick MKG's, Barnes dunk is just too "robotic and aesthetically perfect", while MKG's one is so raw

[Brapman]

That was a great dunk by MKG - that kid is a big time athlete. Unfortunately, he has about the most broken shot I've ever seen. I don't see how that shot is fixable - it's an awful hitch.

Unless he completely deconstructs his shot and starts over, we're talking about a glorified role player in this league - a not as good version of Michael Cooper.

[TheOUTLAW]

Beal with a good 25 point, 4 rebound, 1 assist performance in an otherwise unwatchable game for the Wizards.

With the way Beal is playing he should finish in the top 3 in ROY voting, probably number 2.

I still don't see him having passed Waiters eventhough everyone seems to think that he's crap. Beal is putting up fewer ppg and fewer apg in more minutes on worse shooting from the field (beal has better 3 pt shooting and more rebounds).

[Blkbrd671]

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/The%20Dwight%20Effect%20A%20New%20Ensemble%20of%20Interior%20Defense%20Analytics%20for%20the%20NBA.pdf

Case study finds that Jonas V is one of the worst interior defenders in the NBA.

I'm going to take any study that has Bargnani as 2nd best in any kind of defense, with a huge grain of salt.

can't argue with that

[Blkbrd671]

That was a great dunk by MKG - that kid is a big time athlete. Unfortunately, he has about the most broken shot I've ever seen. I don't see how that shot is fixable - it's an awful hitch.

Unless he completely deconstructs his shot and starts over, we're talking about a glorified role player in this league - a not as good version of Michael Cooper.

i think he'll eventually become as good of a shooter as iggy. Good but not great. My concern with MKG would be his health, the way he plays, he's bound to come down wrong.

[willbcocks]

Beal with a good 25 point, 4 rebound, 1 assist performance in an otherwise unwatchable game for the Wizards.

With the way Beal is playing he should finish in the top 3 in ROY voting, probably number 2.

I still don't see him having passed Waiters eventhough everyone seems to think that he's crap. Beal is putting up fewer ppg and fewer apg in more minutes on worse shooting from the field (beal has better 3 pt shooting and more rebounds).

Waiters has had a solid rookie year, and his stats have mirrored Beal's for the most part. Two things for me put Beal's performance over Waiters' this year. One is that Beal has played fantastic in January and February. Waiters has played well in those months as well, but Beal's best prolonged stretch has been better than Waiters' best prolonged stretch. (The flip side of that is that Beal played slightly worse than Waiters earlier in the season.) The other advantage I give Beal over Waiters is defense. But this is a slight advantage at best.

In the long run, I would say that Beal has a third thing going for him, age, as he's 1.5 years younger than Waiters. But that shouldn't factor into ROY voting.

[SaiCLE]

Dion is shooting 40% and averaging 14.2 Points per game. Over his last 5, he's shooting 57.4% and averaging 13.2 Points per game just by attacking the rim( he Is a fcking tank). He has Improved dramatically finishing around the rim and shot selection. He barley shoot three pointers anymore though averaging 1.5 3 point attempts, also the awesome thing Is he doesn't jack up long two's anymore. He Is a really good on ball defender (sometimes he over helps on D though), and a very underrated ball distributor. The Cavs really need more national games.

[TwentyOne920]

Nando de Colo: 9 points (3-5 FG, 2-3 3P, 1-2 FT), 2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 turnover in 19:59 of PT.

I'll take it.

[GhostsOfGil]

Beal with a good 25 point, 4 rebound, 1 assist performance in an otherwise unwatchable game for the Wizards.

With the way Beal is playing he should finish in the top 3 in ROY voting, probably number 2.

I still don't see him having passed Waiters eventhough everyone seems to think that he's crap. Beal is putting up fewer ppg and fewer apg in more minutes on worse shooting from the field (beal has better 3 pt shooting and more rebounds).

Who thinks Waiters is crap? I think the only reason people prefer Beal is because he scores within the flow of the game. He doesn't need plays run for him, he doesn't isolate, if his shot isn't there, he keeps the ball moving. You will rarely, if ever, see Beal take a "bad shot".

[TheOUTLAW]

Oh yeah, Waiters will on occasion take some bad shots, but he's cut way back on that since the beginning of the season. What I do like is that he's way more of a playmaker than I'd thought. We still need some folks who can finish to make that more obvious though. He also has the ability to get where he wants on the floor (not as well as Kyrie, but that'd be a lot to ask).

[mcfly1204]

I feel that both Waiters and Beal will be have very nice careers, but I think Waiters ability to create for himself and others gives him the edge over Beal in a head to head comparison. Shooting is something that can be improved if you put in the effort, but rarely do you see players develop an ability to get to the rim the way Waiters already can.

[GhostsOfGil]

I feel that both Waiters and Beal will be have very nice careers, but I think Waiters ability to create for himself and others gives him the edge over Beal in a head to head comparison. Shooting is something that can be improved if you put in the effort, but rarely do you see players develop an ability to get to the rim the way Waiters already can.

Its funny, I actually think Waiter's ability to create for himself is his biggest enemy. I think a guy like Beal who can score without having to isolate makes him much more valuable unless the guy is ridiculously efficient (harden, curry, durant).

I will say that Dion is way better than Beal at getting into the lane and is indeed doing a better job finishing. But I heavily value a guy like Beal who can play within a system, give you 20 points while not effecting the teams offensive flow.

If Waiter's was scoring at a much more efficient rate, I would be much more impressed. Even though Beal struggled early on, he didn't dominate the ball so his efficiency wasn't hurting his team as much.

Can you imagine Beal next to Kyrie? That backcourt would be ridiculous and way better than Wall/Beal or Kyrie/Waiters

[mcfly1204]

If Waiter's was scoring at a much more efficient rate, I would be much more impressed. Even though Beal struggled early on, he didn't dominate the ball so his efficiency wasn't hurting his team as much.

You mean like going from shooting 34% in December, to 42% in January, and then up to 52% in February? Don't get me wrong, I like Beal quite a bit, but when the Playoffs role around and defenses tighten up, I like the thought of having another guy who can get into the lane at will more than a guy that can play within the flow of the offense.

[TheOUTLAW]

Waiters does need to improve his 3 pointer. He's got a ways to go from there but it looks like he has the stroke to be a very good 3 pt shooter.

Oh and yeah Beal and Kyrie would be a great backcourt, that's why the Cavs wanted him.

[orangeparka]

That's why they drafted him no? To find that #2 ball-handler/scorer type next to Kyrie?

[TheOUTLAW]

That kind of implies that Waiters was the Cavs guy all along. I don't believe that to be true. I'm pretty sure they'd have taken Beal had he been there.

[NikolaPekovic]

Alexey Shved > Beal, Waiters