Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Indomitable]

Jumpman it worked for Kobe and Lebron.

[CalilLove89]

Some of you are writing books in this thread, this is an 80 page meltdown, aint nobody reading your damn book.

Not only have books been written, but written books have been referenced!

Yea, there has been some good stuff burried in the hysteria.

[blumeany]

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were going to Miami the whole time. If you don't believe that, then you're a fool. Riley and Wade had that all orchestrated. The lip service they paid to visiting the Bulls was purely that - to make it look like there was really a process and a decision to all of it.

I think Rose, at the time, chose not to actively pursue those guys because it was a combination of that he sort of knew what was up and he also wanted to be the Alpha dog here. He was just getting into his groove as the franchise player and obviously was more interested in building a team around himself and winning that way. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

Here's the big problem: All this time Derrick has repeatedly talked up his teammates in public. Whenever he's been asked about the FO making changes or recruiting or anything else, he's always had the standard line that he loves this team, loves his teammates, etc. What Reggie revealed to the world was completely contradictory. It was about a player who was not satisfied with who the team put around him and was impatient. So what do we believe? And on top of it, the FO comes out and says that Derrick has never approached them about this subject, and then Derrick comes out and pretty much confirms that. So.......who do we believe?

[waffle]

He's basically right, however, offers no solution or hypothetical scenario. I mean, if you're going to air out management, you might as well air out the players to. WHO exactly would he have liked to see come here? WHO exactly would he have liked to see traded? Does he feel Deng could have been moved for a more productive player in 2010? Does he feel Boozer was a bad acquisition? Because as of now, there really isn't anything the Bulls could have done outside of a lateral move. OJ Mayo likely could have been had a year or two ago in a 3-way deal involving Deng and a pick. Other than gambling on a lottery pick for proven talent, I don't see what else could have been done.

BING. I have asked a couple of times for people to give examples rather than just whine

Every player wants their team to succeed, not just Rose

[burlydee]

You message board geniuses are funny people.

Why thank you.

You feel you can judge people stupid or dumb based on what? a 2 minute soundbyte?

Well, my genius was mostly involved. His inability to get an average SAT score without cheating was part. His dull, cow-like eyes may also have had a role.

You guys have no idea what the true relationship is between Rose and Reggie.

Yeah, that's why I said I think," for like...all of it.

You don't know if Rose wanted him to say what he did or not; you don't know how much Rose knows about the team cutting salary or not; you basically don't know anything.

Why is the nature of a fairly uninformed but passionate response on a message board a foreign finding to you? It's every opinion on here. You don't see a lot of points going-- "LUOL DENG SCORED 17 POINTS LAST NIGHT DAMNIT", followed by a vicious "IT WAS 14, YOU TWAT" Facts are generally not good discussion points.

But you feel free to comment on the stupidity of other people, just because they do something you don't agree with.

Thank you, I will. Because I certainly do in real life. And I...THINK most people do too.

No wonder the players sometimes despise the fans.

I'm not worried Derrick Rose will read this. I am more worried that Derrick Rose cannot read this.

I get it. You hate D. Rose. Sorry his brother said something to offend your sensibilities. Jesus. Have we ever cared how smart any other athlete is before? Your rant is pretty pitiful.

[DuckIII]

Jumpman it worked for Kobe and Lebron.

It worked for Kobe and no one. Everyone else ended up leaving their team. And its been happening A LOT. Which is why all of this "people are freaking out over nothing" stuff is either naive or delusional.

And spare me the "you don't know that Derrick agrees with or knows what Reggie is saying" tripe. I've never climbed Mount Everest. Because of this, I've never personally seen the curvature of the Earth. But I'm confident in saying its not flat.

[BrooklynBulls]

I love Derrick Rose. Why do I hate Derrick Rose? I don't like REGGIE Rose.

I think Derrick Rose is a stupid person. I think he's a really good basketball player and a well-meaning dude. In fact I'm saying this recent stretch by Reggie doesnt have much to DO with Derrick.

But Derrick's problem is that he's being controlled and he doesn't realize it's not in his best interest to let Reggie rule his life.

[blumeany]

If I had to guess, and this is PURE speculation, either Derrick or his handlers wanted Boozer gone. I don't think they really cared who came back (perhaps they were hoping for one of the Gordons?), they just wanted him gone. I say this because of how Reggie mentioned Noah and Deng by name. No Boozer.

[BullsGate]

Angry words! -alucr

[jumpmanjay]

Jumpman it worked for Kobe and Lebron.

kobe doesnt get the credit there. it's LA. other teams (for whatever reason) gift them stars for peanuts. and it's LA- people want to go there. our own derrick rose spends his whole summer there.

how did it work for lebron? did he win a ring in cleveland? it worked for wade, ill give you that...but that is the extreme exception to the rule.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

DRose is a dumb guy, sorry to say, and is has nothing to do with any recent comments. He had to have someone take the SATs for him, and it isn't like he needed a great score to gain admission to freaking Memphis as a basketball star. If that isn't enough evidence just listen to him speak.

Derrick lets his family do his thinking for him, and that is what is scary about Reggie's comments.

I have been annoyed with the whole the return proganda, hyping his return when his teammates constantly play through pain and injury, while he can't even sit on the bench and support his teammates.

And this from Derrick "I don't recruit players (aside from the great Captain Kirk)" but I need more stars/help.

Drose doesn't play this year and I'm officially off the bandwagon!!!

Oh boy.

Some people need to go jogging or something

I swear it feels like this thread belongs on the general board. I can't believe some of the things that I'm reading.

I wonder how many current & former professional athletes were helped with their testing & classwork while in high school & college?....I wonder what type of SAT scores Lebron would have had if he didn't go straight from high school to the pros?.....or any other former player that didn't need to attend college?


I liked the secretary analogy that another poster used last night, so I will use a similar one:

Derrick Rose is the young employee of a huge company. He becomes beloved within the company through years of hard work, flawless attendance, great attitude, ability to make the company profits, & most importantly his humbleness, which allows him to follow the boss's orders without complaining. Because of this, the company puts him on a pedestal & compensates him, while giving him a bigger seat at the table.

The company is a good company, but it has flaws. Those flaws contribute to the young employee being crushed with a workload that consists of not only his duties, but the duties of other employees as well. The young employee (Rose) privately begs his boss to surround him with better qualified co-workers & the boss agrees. Time goes by & the boss has yet to fulfill his promise to Rose, while telling Rose to continue doing his job (and co-workers jobs).

The young employee gets fed up one day & decides to publicly beg his boss for better qualified co-workers.

All of a sudden, everyone turns on the young employee. They forget about all of his great qualities that allowed them to put him on a pedestal in the first place. Instead, they drag up every perceived negative quality of the young employee & use it to form a different opinion of him.

Of course, everyone doesn't fall under that umbrella, but I'm afraid that some do, IMO. It seems that some were waiting on Rose to slip up & do something that they didn't approve of. Just so they could get the green light to attack him.

[burlydee]

If there wasn't some sting of truth in what Reggie said, I doubt RealGM would be having this collective freak out. The Bulls have done NOTHING to improve a top 5 team in the last year. They've only let talent go and cut salary. If there was some truth in his statements, I don't think people would be as scared as they seem in this thread.

[Indomitable]

Jumpman it worked for Kobe and Lebron.

It worked for Kobe and no one. Everyone else ended up leaving their team. And its been happening A LOT. Which is why all of this "people are freaking out over nothing" stuff is either naive or delusional.

And spare me the "you don't know that Derrick agrees with or knows what Reggie is saying" tripe. I've never climbed Mount Everest. Because of this, I've never personally seen the curvature of the Earth. But I'm confident in saying its not flat.

Lebron is winning and got in a situation where this is possible. It worked out for him.

[BeKuK]

I'm not worried Derrick Rose will read this. I am more worried that Derrick Rose cannot read this.

You're ****ing ***h*** and a piece of ****! I would love to see D.Rose force his way out of bulls.....just to see bulls fans like you cry, b***h and moan.

Reggie....Look what you have done...lol

[blumeany]

I love Derrick Rose. Why do I hate Derrick Rose? I don't like REGGIE Rose.

I think Derrick Rose is a stupid person. I think he's a really good basketball player and a well-meaning dude. In fact I'm saying this recent stretch by Reggie doesnt have much to DO with Derrick.

But Derrick's problem is that he's being controlled and he doesn't realize it's not in his best interest to let Reggie rule his life.

I don't think he's stupid, I think he's allowed his family to exert TOO MUCH control on his life. When he was a kid growing up in a tough neighborhood, yeah, that's a time when you need your family to watch out for you and guide you. When he was first getting started in the League? Yeah, I think he could still use some support there. But Rose is now a 4 year veteran, a 1-time MVP. He's a big boy now and shouldn't need that entourage anymore. Business and basketball decisions should be handled by Derrick and his agent. He shouldn't have a brother who's a handler, or a family making decisions, or an 'advisor' to go along with his agent.

IMHO Derrick needs to restructure his circle a bit and tell certain people 'thanks, but no thanks'. He needs to tell them that he and only he speaks for himself and that no one speaks on behalf of him.

[DuckIII]

BING. I have asked a couple of times for people to give examples rather than just whine

Every player wants their team to succeed, not just Rose

The beauty of being Reggie Rose (or anyone outside the FO) is that he doesn't have to offer an actual solution. He just gets to cite a team with three allstars, one of whom is an MVP, look at the lack of rings on his brothers finger, and cry from the mountain top that its not enough. So goddamnnit, why should his brother bother to play at all!

And then be defended by the sycophantic public who were spoiled two decades ago into thinking titles are their right and easily accomplished.

[CalilLove89]

I'm not worried Derrick Rose will read this. I am more worried that Derrick Rose cannot read this.

You're ****ing ***h*** and a piece of ****! I would love to see D.Rose force his way out of bulls.....just to see bulls fans like you cry, b***h and moan.

Keep it coming fellas, I cannot get enough of this thread.

[jumpmanjay]

I'm not worried Derrick Rose will read this. I am more worried that Derrick Rose cannot read this.

You're ****ing ***h*** and a piece of ****! I would love to see D.Rose force his way out of bulls.....just to see bulls fans like you cry, b***h and moan.

if we offer rose for westbrook straight up, does OKC say no?

[RedBulls23]

I love Derrick Rose. Why do I hate Derrick Rose? I don't like REGGIE Rose.

I think Derrick Rose is a stupid person. I think he's a really good basketball player and a well-meaning dude. In fact I'm saying this recent stretch by Reggie doesnt have much to DO with Derrick.

But Derrick's problem is that he's being controlled and he doesn't realize it's not in his best interest to let Reggie rule his life.

I think the bolded at this point is still only theory and not proven fact yet. I guess we will find out as more stuff unfolds.

I do think Rose is coming back this season, but if he doesn't it could be telling to how "controlled" he is and also there could be much more drama to unfold in the off-season.

As for him being smart or not, it's evident that he's not book smart. That has been obvious. But I can't proclaim a guy to be a dimwit without actually knowing him personally. That is unfair IMO.

[PippenLeaveTips]

Who should the Bulls get that they didn't? Who am I forgetting?