Summer 2013 Targets?

[StocktonShorts]

Now that the front office has put all of their eggs in the Summer 2013 basket, who are some guys the Jazz should target? They can be either free agents (both restricted and unrestricted) or guys that teams want to trade into our capspace (similar to what we did to get Jefferson).

The dream free agent would be Chris Paul, but I don't think there are very good odds of that happening.

It's very possible Boston will decide to rebuild and blow up their team and Rondo could be back on the table.

I could see the Jazz and Clippers revisiting a Bledsoe deal, since he'll want an extension and the Clips -- assuming they lock up CP3 -- might not want to pay him $8M+/year to be a backup.

Who else do you see being available this summer?

[kebutah]

Trading will be more difficult because our major assets for trades will be UFAa. We will have considerable CAP space if we renounce our UFA, but I cannot see major FAs wanting to come to Utah. I also think this is a weak year for FAs. There will be lower level FAs looking to make a big and unwarranted payday.

[StocktonShorts]

Trading will be more difficult because our major assets for trades will be UFAa. We will have considerable CAP space if we renounce our UFA, but I cannot see major FAs wanting to come to Utah. I also think this is a weak year for FAs. There will be lower level FAs looking to make a big and unwarranted payday.

I think Marvin will opt-out and try to get a four-year deal this off-season as opposed to next when he will likely have played less and be a year-older and have to compete with more players. If I were his agent I'd advise him to opt out.

That leaves the Jazz with something like $18M on the books before cap holds. The cap holds of significance are:

Jefferson: $16.4M
Millsap: $12.9M
Mo: $12.75M
Foye: $3M
Marvin: $12.4M

I think the Jazz will deal with these guys in this order. Al is likely to seek (and get) a max deal. If he wants the 5th year the Jazz could sign and trade him to a team as long as that team isn't above the tax apron. Otherwise they'd just renounce his rights and his cap hold goes away.

Next up is Millsap whom I think the Jazz really like and want to keep. I think he'll cost them $10M/year for 4-5 years. Let's assume this happens, so that's $10M off the Jazz's caproom.

This is where things get more interesting. If the Jazz are searching for a PGOTF, then it doesn't make a lot of sense to sign Mo. In any case I can't see them signing him to a deal where his Bird rights would matter, so I think they could safely renounce his rights.

At this point they probably don't need to renounce Foye's or Carroll's rights.

Total salary commitments (including Millsap deal + Foye, Carroll cap holds): $32.5M

The cap will be at least $60M. They'd have ample room to take on someone else's max player in a trade, even if all that trade does is give the other team a draft pick and a big traded player exception.

[AingesBurner]

No way do we want Millsap, ugh bad idea. I say we go after Darren Collison for a short 2-3 year deal, I think he will be a lot cheaper than Mo. Resign Foye, maybe go after Dalambert if Al Jefferson walks. Paul and Al are number two on peoples lists of top PF's and C's. I see Jefferson going to Atlanta if they can't sign Smith or Dwight. Paul will probably go to Brooklyn if they can't sign Smith.

[StocktonShorts]

No way do we want Millsap, ugh bad idea. I say we go after Darren Collison for a short 2-3 year deal, I think he will be a lot cheaper than Mo. Resign Foye, maybe go after Dalambert if Al Jefferson walks. Paul and Al are number two on peoples lists of top PF's and C's. I see Jefferson going to Atlanta if they can't sign Smith or Dwight. Paul will probably go to Brooklyn if they can't sign Smith.

I could see either guy going to Atlanta.

I don't see how Millsap ends up in Brooklyn. They'll be over the cap and over the luxury tax apron.

[AingesBurner]

That only if they can send out Humphries. Any one know if they can amnesty anyone yet?

[kebutah]

I think Marvin would be dumb to opt out.

Jefferson should be kept due to his unique low post scoring abiliity. i Also like the way he has been tutoring the young post players. It all comes down to money and contract length.

I like MIlsap but in the future to be a better team we can't have an undersized starting power forward, and we can't afford a $10M per year sixth man.

Excluding Chris Paul the free agent list of PGs is pretty sparse. Jarret Jack may be the best available. I think this position must be the focus of the draft or a trade.

Jazz should look at keeping Foye and Carroll, but it will probably take a while re-sign them to contracts due to the pecking order. Both need to be kept at reasonable contracts.

With so few players under contract it will be a busy off-season.

[millslapper]

First. try to move up in the draft to get smart or whatever it takes for that. Burke would be the other option.

At the point, after resigning Tinsley as an important mentor and lockerroom guy, it would be great to let Mo and Earl go and to go for Jack or Augustin as a backup. Alternatively Nate Robinson.

As a shooter the best available should be Bellinelli.

Resign Carroll to a 3 year contract!

And i would love to have Maxiell on the roster as a veteran backup.

So my perfect depth chart would be:

Smart/Jack/Tinsley
Burks/Belinelli/Murphy
Hayward/Carroll
Favors/Marvin W./Evans
Kanter/Maxiell

Problem here is, that we are a bit undersized in Bench-FC, so maybe Pachulia could be also a good alternative

When we need to spend salary then go for Millsap OR Jefferson, not both - that would be dumb as hell!

[reapaman]

Well its important to note that the last time Jefferson was up for a new contract, his agent advised him to seek a max contract but instead he said he just wanted to get it over with and didn't think he was worth the max even though he could likely get it so he signed for alot less than he could've. How many guys would do that? I'm just saying were not dealing with the normal player here, he may suprise you with how much he's willing to accept.

With that said no matter if we re-sign Jefferson or not, what do you guys think about trading up for Mclemore or Muhammad?

I think a potential multiple allstar or possible elite wing is much more important to a championsip team than a pg. I say we trade whatever young players or draft picks neccessary (within reason, not gonna go crazy to get them) to get whichever one we feel has the most potential. As it currently stands, hayward will never be that guy and I seriously doubt burks will be that guy either so I say lets go for it if possible.

[Inigo Montoya]

i don't think Mclemore or Muhammad are game changers. especially not Muhammad, who just pulled a punk move after the buzzer beater win against washington. i wouldn't want a guy like that on my team when he's not a an elite talent (which he is not). he is a nice scorer, but i don't think he'll be all that great. both him and Mclemore have problems creating offense off the dribble. they are more jump shooters than creators in half court sets.

i don't think there is a franchise guy in this draft. and i don't think we need a franchise caliber PG to be great. but i think there are PGs in this draft who can fit the jazz and run the team well, and except Smart, the rest of them won't require a top 5 pick most likely. i don't think the jazz can trade its way to the top 3 (which is where at least one of Mclemore or Muhammad will be drafted), especially without giving up more than what i'd like them to give. the only remote possibility i see it happen is a S&T of either millsap or big al to a team under the cap (like the bobcats) combined with both of our picks in return for their pick and maybe something else. unlikely, like i said.

[pickIBL]

Al Jefferson is a unique dude. He doesn't want to spotlight and the issues that come with being a Dwight Howard in LA. I think he'd be happy to stay with the Jazz & it seems like the Jazz are willing to keep him.

It will be a 5 year deal for slightly less than the max with a trade kicker to up it to the MAX should the Jazz be disloyal and trade him. That's more guaranteed money than he can get anywhere else and he'll sign it. I'd try and push it a bit further and put benchmarks in the contract as well. It doesn't hurt to try. Personally I'm big on benchmarks. Rebounds per minute, games available to play on the active roster, etc.. charges taken

You guys won't like Muhammad. The guy admitted nobody ever taught him to play D. He is just now learning what a defensive stance is.

Ante Tomic has to be on the list. Even if it is just to acquire the asset. I would pit him against Kanter and keep the one I liked best.

750k to 1m buy-out. Contract for 3 years with a team option starting at 3.5 million. Look at what Ian Mahinmi makes and tell me that's not an absolute steal!

[StocktonShorts]

If the Jazz re-sign Al Jefferson to a five year deal this off-season it's going to put me at a crossroads with this team. By all accounts he's a great guy, and he's improved some aspects of his game this year, but he's just not the guy I want my team building around, to the extent that if they decide to build around him it will really make me question if I'm simply following the wrong team.

[Inigo Montoya]

i'm not big on benchmarks. it makes the player play for numbers and the like. it is also hypocritical from the team's side and maybe the fan's too - we want the players to put the interest of the team first and sacrifice their stats for the good of the team's success, yet we put benchmarks that will push them to do the opposite and then complain when they play for numbers.

as for tomic - i'm not opposed to having him on, but i think the first time he comes to practice, either kanter will make a strong physical play on him trying to get to the basket and break tomic in half, or that favors will dunk on him so hard he'll end up in a coma

and no, don't like Muhammad for the jazz, and in general as a player.

[StocktonShorts]

That's more guaranteed money than he can get anywhere else and he'll sign it. I'd try and push it a bit further and put benchmarks in the contract as well. It doesn't hurt to try. Personally I'm big on benchmarks. Rebounds per minute, games available to play on the active roster, etc.. charges taken

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q72

Certain kinds of incentives are not allowed, such as those based on the player being on the team's roster on a specific date or for a specific number of games.

I'm not sure how Al would react to incentives in his contract, to be honest. While he's a good guy, he's also proud.

[hoops4life]

I think that we sign Al or some stop gaps until the summer of '14.

[StocktonShorts]

I think that we sign Al or some stop gaps until the summer of '14.

Are you suggesting two different paths? As in, either we sign Al or we sign stopgaps until 2014?

[pickIBL]

I didn't know the blow by blow on incentives. This must be a change because I knew Camby's old contract had it in it. It doesn't have to be loaded with them but just something to get them out their on the floor with aches and pains.

As for Tomic... he's not a twig anymore so I wouldn't take that mindset about it at all. Tomic has 10 to 15lbs on Rik Smits when he played. Tomic could well take Kanter's minutes.

[AingesBurner]

Lets just trade Tomic's rights, and our picks to either move up or get an awesome guard, maybe Vasquez or Bledsoe?

[Inigo Montoya]

I didn't know the blow by blow on incentives. This must be a change because I knew Camby's old contract had it in it. It doesn't have to be loaded with them but just something to get them out their on the floor with aches and pains.

As for Tomic... he's not a twig anymore so I wouldn't take that mindset about it at all. Tomic has 10 to 15lbs on Rik Smits when he played. Tomic could well take Kanter's minutes.

tomic is 7'2 and weighs only 7 lbs more than a 6'6 paul millsap.

[pickIBL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVZ6SLJ_TMk

7-2, 260, Freakish Wingspan, Soft Hands, Hook shot with left or right, can move his feet, run the floor, good jumper to 18 feet, shoots FTs like a guard. Vastly improved rebounding & shot blocking this year. Not thick... but agile & mobile like I haven't really seen with anyone his length in the NBA currently.

These guys don't come along often enough to trade without getting him in your own uniform first.