Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Mr Funk]

Prior to this season, the Bulls have had the best record in the NBA two years in a row. I'd call that the product of having a good roster so I'm not sure what Reggie is talking about. Pax and Gar have done pretty awesome in free agency and the draft -- given the hand they were dealt.

Maybe he needs to point a finger at Derrick since Rose refuses to recruit other players.

I'm not sure what's been going on in Rose's camp lately, but between giving the Chicago media the shaft, being a bit overly ambiguous in regard to his return, and now this, he's not looking good.

Reggie Rose needs to realize that this is a concern that needs to be raised quietly, behind closed doors, and that he only creates a negative atmosphere that surrounds himself, Rose, the organization and the team by publicly voicing his opinion -- especially when he's completely wrong and a bit out of his league.

[AAU Teammate]

Lets really get to the heart of the matter. Certain types of fans are proud of what Reggie is saying and see him as some voice of voiceless and are chanting Go Go Go because they are the insecure types that need to live through something like that.

Whatever gets you through the day, men.

I think certain types of fans are proud of what Reggie is saying because they're tired of supporting the team unconditionally and at their peak in emotional investment, yet the only thing the Bulls can think about is how to get under the luxury tax and make reactive, penny-pinching moves every year.

The Bulls have not made one clear-cut, non-draft related basketball trade under John Paxson. He's been the general manager for 10 years. That's a problem.

And they are free to stop supporting the team unconditionally if they so choose. They can go to Dallas who tore apart a championship team for financial reasons, or NYK who couldnt bring back Lin even though the public was going crazy for him (and his year has picked up a little since his slow start, even if he was overpaid).

But long story short, there are financial decisions being made left and right in the NBA--to think of it as just us is ludicrous-- and it's a whole new landscape now. Bulls get cap space, they spend it, try to spend wisely, but end up still being one of the 29 losers.


What is Reggie Rose mad about? The Bulls not getting Josh Smith or JJ Redick? I dont even know. If the fans are proud of him, then he should make clear he's just a fan. I know he clarifies he doesn't speak for Derrick, but lets not kid ourselves...he is very much a part of the Bulls world and it should come as no surprise that he took the nation's attention by saying something dumb on the record.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Lets really get to the heart of the matter. Certain types of fans are proud of what Reggie is saying and see him as some voice of voiceless and are chanting Go Go Go because they are the insecure types that need to live through something like that.

Whatever gets you through the day, men.

So, the posters that agree with the Rose camp are insecure with confidence issues

[AAU Teammate]

What irritates me is that instead of informing the public, this comment feeds directly into the people who won't bother to learn what it means to have a year as important as 2010. That was the year to strike.

The casual fan thinks the Bulls can strike every year on free agents, and CHOOSE not to. This reinforces that. That bugs me. Say something knowledgeable, because it's clear you're knowledgeable. You know how strapped the Bulls are right now. If they're going to pay more tax, it has to wait. Yesterday was not that time.

[League Circles]

Reggie Rose wants the Bulls to stop being a FO that's dominated by reactionary, conservative, penny-pinching moves, and act like a big market team for once in their damn lives. This is the Chicago Bulls, not the New Orleans Pelicans.This team has not fallen outside of the Top 3 in attendance in 10 YEARS.

Like, how does that happen, yet the only moves we see the team talking about are moves that are salary dumping players?

What more do we as fans have to do to support the team before they finally start spending and thinking like a big market club? The moves and mindset of the FO reflect on the court too. We might be the only big market team that doesn't look like a big market team when you watch a game on TV. Fans support the Bulls, but the Bulls don't support the fans and it's tiresome.

I think you're confused. What is "acting like a big market"?

Is it trading a prime Shaq because of chemistry issues, and dropping from an elite team to a mediocre one in the process, is that acting like a big market?

What about dumping Lamar Odom and Derrick Fisher for financial reasons?

What about breaking up a title winner in Dallas?

What about Ainge being open about needing to look at trading Paul and KG to rebuild?

Or is it dealing Shaq to the Suns once you realize you're not a true contender anymore, and being very average for a few years because of it until you get the right moment (the Heat in 2010)?

Or is the "acting like a big market" that you really want paying Amare Stoudemire, Melo, and Chandler as if they were Bosh, Lebron, and Wade, while surrounding them with the AARP?

Or is it spending the second highest payroll in the league for a team whose best player is either a pretty good C who can't rebound or defend well in Lopez, or a barely still top 10 PG in Deron Williams?

Or is it paying a truly senile, impossibly bad on defense, 40 year old Steve Nash for 3 years?


OR, is it giving your backup PF in Taj a 4 year deal because you know you need his advantage to excel in the future, watching the implications of deals down the road closely, etc?

[AAU Teammate]

Lets really get to the heart of the matter. Certain types of fans are proud of what Reggie is saying and see him as some voice of voiceless and are chanting Go Go Go because they are the insecure types that need to live through something like that.

Whatever gets you through the day, men.

So, the posters that agree with the Rose camp are insecure with confidence issues

Well I need it explained to me why else he is becoming some hero to grab onto. Why do you need this man to be saying these things?

If he shares your view, great - share it on a message board. Don't have the best player's brother imply the team is ****.

That is either pointless or harmful. Nothing but one of those two options.

[WinCity]

What irritates me is that instead of informing the public, this comment feeds directly into the people who won't bother to learn what it means to have a year as important as 2010. That was the year to strike.

The casual fan thinks the Bulls can strike every year on free agents, and CHOOSE not to. This reinforces that. That bugs me. Say something knowledgeable, because it's clear you're knowledgeable. You know how strapped the Bulls are right now. If they're going to pay more tax, it has to wait. Yesterday was not that time.

Who says it was about yesterday? Not even Reggie specifically cited yesterday IIRC. Most of us are talking about a consistent pattern, a philosophy, of not spending on par with this franchises big market franchise. Now we can discuss how, or if, that can done going forward under the new CBA but no one can deny this team has taken a small market approach to spending.

[League Circles]

What irritates me is that instead of informing the public, this comment feeds directly into the people who won't bother to learn what it means to have a year as important as 2010. That was the year to strike.

The casual fan thinks the Bulls can strike every year on free agents, and CHOOSE not to. This reinforces that. That bugs me. Say something knowledgeable, because it's clear you're knowledgeable. You know how strapped the Bulls are right now. If they're going to pay more tax, it has to wait. Yesterday was not that time.

It's quite possible that Reggie has spent so much time protecting Derrick from becoming HIM that he is not aware of how the CBA works either.

[The Kane]

Reggie Rose wants the Bulls to stop being a FO that's dominated by reactionary, conservative, penny-pinching moves, and act like a big market team for once in their damn lives. This is the Chicago Bulls, not the New Orleans Pelicans.This team has not fallen outside of the Top 3 in attendance in 10 YEARS.

Like, how does that happen, yet the only moves we see the team talking about are moves that are salary dumping players?

What more do we as fans have to do to support the team before they finally start spending and thinking like a big market club? The moves and mindset of the FO reflect on the court too. We might be the only big market team that doesn't look like a big market team when you watch a game on TV. Fans support the Bulls, but the Bulls don't support the fans and it's tiresome.

I think you're confused. What is "acting like a big market"?

Is it trading a prime Shaq because of chemistry issues, and dropping from an elite team to a mediocre one in the process, is that acting like a big market?

What about dumping Lamar Odom and Derrick Fisher for financial reasons?

What about breaking up a title winner in Dallas?

What about Ainge being open about needing to look at trading Paul and KG to rebuild?

Or is it dealing Shaq to the Suns once you realize you're not a true contender anymore, and being very average for a few years because of it until you get the right moment (the Heat in 2010)?

Or is it paying a truly senile, impossibly bad on defense, 40 year old Steve Nash for 3 years?


OR, is it giving your backup PF in Taj a 4 year deal because you know you need his advantage to excel in the future, watching the implications of deals down the road closely, etc?

If you want to win titles, you have to take risks. Obviously when taking risks you will make some bad moves. But guess what? How many titles do those teams have in the last 13 years? How many do we have?

[Mech Engineer]

How was he gonna change the minds of those players in 2010?

--Was Lebron, Wade, & Bosh changing their plans because Rose sent them a 4 page love letter?

--Was JJ turning down the max contract from Atlanta because Rose sent him a 4 page love letter?

--Was Amare turning down the $100 million contract from NY because Rose sent him a 4 page love letter?

Only two big name free agents remained......Boozer & Lee.

I think Rose's(Reggie and Derrick) complaints are more about after the 2010 FA. I think they are more mad about what happened in the Philly series and after that. It might be like they were all in happy mode before that but saw how this team struggled in the Philly series has changed their stance.

[pb-ceo]

reggie not such a likeable fellow. nose in his iphone all game. And who dresses him?

[Betta Bulleavit]

People keep talking about "moves" as if there has been this abundant number of star players that could or should be playing here in Chicago. Lets list the superstars in the league today...the game changers.

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Anthony
Howard (I suppose)
Kobe
Wade
Rose
Irving (I think)
Westbrook
Griffin
Love
Harden

Now that's 13 guys...you could give or take a few more. One of those guys is already on our team. That leaves the other 12 guys as possible acquisitions. Ask your self, what "moves" were we going to make to get any of the guys on that list at the current moment? What moves were going to be made this past summer to get any of those guys?

The bottom line is that people are squawking about things that were never quite possible to begin with. The Bulls "plan" is centered more around 2014 than making knee jerk moves to satisfy a fan base or the siblings of certain players in the short term. The Bulls wanted to go after some guys in 2010 and they positioned themselves to do that. They obviously are interested in the 2014 class so that's what they are positioning for. It's just that simple.

[pb-ceo]

How was he gonna change the minds of those players in 2010?

--Was Lebron, Wade, & Bosh changing their plans because Rose sent them a 4 page love letter?

--Was JJ turning down the max contract from Atlanta because Rose sent him a 4 page love letter?

--Was Amare turning down the $100 million contract from NY because Rose sent him a 4 page love letter?

Only two big name free agents remained......Boozer & Lee.

I think Rose's(Reggie and Derrick) complaints are more about after the 2010 FA. I think they are more mad about what happened in the Philly series and after that. It might be like they were all in happy mode before that but saw how this team struggled in the Philly series has changed their stance.

Reggie as Derricks manager what are you doing about his lack of mid range game? The bulls are worried because it just might prevent them from ever winning a chip.

[WinCity]

reggie not such a likeable fellow. nose in his iphone all game. And who dresses him?

WTF? His iPhone and his clothing? Thanks for elevating this to a high level, big picture discussion.

[League Circles]

If you want to win titles, you have to take risks. Obviously when taking risks you will make some bad moves. But guess what? How many titles do those teams have in the last 13 years? How many do we have?

Very notable risks taken by the FO in recent years:

1) trading Curry for draft picks

2) dumping Kirk, Tyrus, and BG to pursue free agency

3) drafting Tyrus

4) hiring VDN and Thibbs - a first time coach and a guy who is a stubborn taskmaster

5) signing Boozer

6) letting Asik go

7) signing Taj to his deal

[Mech Engineer]

What irritates me is that instead of informing the public, this comment feeds directly into the people who won't bother to learn what it means to have a year as important as 2010. That was the year to strike.

The casual fan thinks the Bulls can strike every year on free agents, and CHOOSE not to. This reinforces that. That bugs me. Say something knowledgeable, because it's clear you're knowledgeable. You know how strapped the Bulls are right now. If they're going to pay more tax, it has to wait. Yesterday was not that time.

It is not about FA only, it is also about possible trades. I think it will be better if some posters do not make judgement calls like posters are insecure or dumb. This whole thread is a grey area and people have opinion on both sides, FYI.

[LobosJordan]

If you want to win titles, you have to take risks. Obviously when taking risks you will make some bad moves. But guess what? How many titles do those teams have in the last 13 years? How many do we have?

Very notable risks taken by the FO in recent years:

1) trading Curry for draft picks

2) dumping Kirk, Tyrus, and BG to pursue free agency

3) drafting Tyrus

4) hiring VDN and Thibbs - a first time coach and a guy who is a stubborn taskmaster

5) signing Boozer

6) letting Asik go

7) signing Taj to his deal

lol

[jumpmanjay]

Reggie Rose wants the Bulls to stop being a FO that's dominated by reactionary, conservative, penny-pinching moves, and act like a big market team for once in their damn lives. This is the Chicago Bulls, not the New Orleans Pelicans.This team has not fallen outside of the Top 3 in attendance in 10 YEARS.

Like, how does that happen, yet the only moves we see the team talking about are moves that are salary dumping players?

What more do we as fans have to do to support the team before they finally start spending and thinking like a big market club? The moves and mindset of the FO reflect on the court too. We might be the only big market team that doesn't look like a big market team when you watch a game on TV. Fans support the Bulls, but the Bulls don't support the fans and it's tiresome.

I think you're confused. What is "acting like a big market"?

Is it trading a prime Shaq because of chemistry issues, and dropping from an elite team to a mediocre one in the process, is that acting like a big market?

What about dumping Lamar Odom and Derrick Fisher for financial reasons?

What about breaking up a title winner in Dallas?

What about Ainge being open about needing to look at trading Paul and KG to rebuild?

Or is it dealing Shaq to the Suns once you realize you're not a true contender anymore, and being very average for a few years because of it until you get the right moment (the Heat in 2010)?

Or is the "acting like a big market" that you really want paying Amare Stoudemire, Melo, and Chandler as if they were Bosh, Lebron, and Wade, while surrounding them with the AARP?

Or is it spending the second highest payroll in the league for a team whose best player is either a pretty good C who can't rebound or defend well in Lopez, or a barely still top 10 PG in Deron Williams?

Or is it paying a truly senile, impossibly bad on defense, 40 year old Steve Nash for 3 years?


OR, is it giving your backup PF in Taj a 4 year deal because you know you need his advantage to excel in the future, watching the implications of deals down the road closely, etc?

bravo.

[pb-ceo]

What irritates me is that instead of informing the public, this comment feeds directly into the people who won't bother to learn what it means to have a year as important as 2010. That was the year to strike.

The casual fan thinks the Bulls can strike every year on free agents, and CHOOSE not to. This reinforces that. That bugs me. Say something knowledgeable, because it's clear you're knowledgeable. You know how strapped the Bulls are right now. If they're going to pay more tax, it has to wait. Yesterday was not that time.

Who says it was about yesterday? Not even Reggie specifically cited yesterday IIRC. Most of us are talking about a consistent pattern, a philosophy, of not spending on par with this franchises big market franchise. Now we can discuss how, or if, that can done going forward under the new CBA but no one can deny this team has taken a small market approach to spending.

they are paying the luxury tax thanks to dr1's max contract. how is that not spending? they went and signed boozer so to keep reggie rose happy. how is that not spending? they extended taj and noah. how is that not spending.

[League Circles]

If you want to win titles, you have to take risks. Obviously when taking risks you will make some bad moves. But guess what? How many titles do those teams have in the last 13 years? How many do we have?

And the whole point is that the teams who "act big market" - NY and Brooklyn, haven't won even as much as us, while the actual big market teams who have won - LA, Miami, Dallas, Boston, has made moves much more similar to us. NY and Brooklyn have basically done what Cleveland and Orlando is on a greater scale. There is no "acting like a big market" vs. "acting like a small market". There is only smart and dumb for FOs. We're in the smart group, as voted by the other executives.