Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

It is not about FA only, it is also about possible trades.

I personally believe that JR will spend money for a title. That's just my opinion, though. You bring up the point that's being lost in this discussion, which is trades. I feel that is the flaw that needs to be addressed.

I would not be surprised if a trade was on the table yesterday involving Boozer or Deng, but GarPax chose to err on the side of caution instead. When that trade fell through, Reggie went public.

To believe this would mean that

1. The Bulls are talking to Derrick Rose about potential deals involving his teammates
2. No one on the national media or local media has a source inside the team

Considering the franchise, I consider both of these highly unlikely but whatever you want to believe.

Did anyone know that James Harden was being traded to Houston until it basically happened?

This board has applauded our FO in the past for their stealth maneuvers, so why couldn't it be possible.

Unlikely?..Yes.
Impossible?...No.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

When I sai making moves I mean moves that would make a huge difference like trading for Melo or Dwight, even if they wouldn't resign (Even though Melo would've played in Chicago.) This FO doesn't make moves like that. The Lakers do, which is why they have so many rings.

Bold Prediction: The days of the Dwight and Carmelo trades are over. They will be nothing more than a relic of the past. The new CBA killed extend-and-trades, so you won't be seeing anything like those trades ever again. The owners very much wanted to defang the players and remove their ability to hold a team hostage.

The new CBA did NOT kill extend-and-trades. Extend-and-trades were the VERY thing the owners caved on at the last minute in November 2011 to end the lockout and save the season. A lot of people were upset about that.

[Mech Engineer]

It is not about FA only, it is also about possible trades.

I personally believe that JR will spend money for a title. That's just my opinion, though. You bring up the point that's being lost in this discussion, which is trades. I feel that is the flaw that needs to be addressed.

I would not be surprised if a trade was on the table yesterday involving Boozer or Deng, but GarPax chose to err on the side of caution instead. When that trade fell through, Reggie went public.

To be a conspiracy theorist, I think it is not about Deng but just Boozer. See how Reggie mentioned Deng and Noah.
I too think JR will spend money. But, again that's the grey area. It seems like JR agreeing to spend, Paxson thinking that's the right guy all have to mesh. IMO, this threshold is a lot less than the Bulls for many teams if they are in the Bulls position of a young star already on the team.

I think Paxson is very scared that taking risks will take the team back to the 2000-2003 period. He has mentioned that he is aware of what he has in Rose(a franchise player).

[DaBulls82]

Wow - this thread is awesome. Every angle has been covered upside down, inside out. From the reasonable, level headed responses - to the out of left feel, emotional rage responses - and everything in between.

As I said 70 pages ago - I wish this was done in private. Maybe it was - we'll never know.

Bottom line - mission accomplished by the Rose camp. The organization knows they've got to get more talent around DRose - they've got 4-5 years to do it. Everyone close to Rose (and most people in this thread when they aren't this emotional) knows Rose is a gamer - when he gets on that court he will do everything he can to help the team win. Let's get the pieces we need to compete, spend where we need to, and get another banner at the UC.

All the other emotional stuff is entertaining but I think some of ya'll just need a drink, a smoke, a run, or a nap. Love all of you btw.

[Blooming Rose]

It seems what many want is to be the Knicks. The Knicks would genuinely have been a better team if they had not traded for Melo IMO, assuming they still got Chandler. People just will never understand the uniqueness of what Miami did, and that the reason it works isn't because they a "2nd scorer" or "3rd scorer", it's because they have the best player alive surrounded by shooters. Truth be told, that team would be better by trading Wade, but since he built the team, they can never do that.

We do need more scoring to better compete, but that doesn't in any way mean that making a deal with only that goal in mind will improve the team.

Like Cleveland???

No the reason Miami is great is because they can overwhelm you with talent. They have to of the best transition finishers in the league and the best midrange shooting big man in the league. They also play hellacious defense.

[League Circles]

When it comes to the Bulls, we should've been down for trading Deng/Noah for Melo. Rose/Butler/Melo/Gibson/Asik is better than our current team IMO. It addresses our offensive defenciensies, and we would still have elite defense.

Good god. That lineup "addresses our offensive deficiencies.... by becoming worse on offense at three out of five positions? That team would have historically bad spacing. When Rose drove the paint, he'd have to do it against his own man, and Omer's man, and Taj's man, AND Jimmy's man. Plus at the time of the trade, frankly, Omer and Taj didn't look nearly as good as they later became.

[PMONSTER]

what the hell could you guys possibly be talking about to fill 100 pages in less than a day?

I tried staying away, but this is how I feel.

[jumpmanjay]

I would not be surprised if a trade was on the table yesterday involving Boozer or Deng, but GarPax chose to err on the side of caution instead. When that trade fell through, Reggie went public.

that is what i believe happened.

[LobosJordan]

Is this a record to 100 pages?

[PMONSTER]

I would not be surprised if a trade was on the table yesterday involving Boozer or Deng, but GarPax chose to err on the side of caution instead. When that trade fell through, Reggie went public.

that is what i believe happened.

My only reason for not be 100% with you guys is, why would Reggie know about a trade the Bulls could have had?

[The Kane]

When it comes to the Bulls, we should've been down for trading Deng/Noah for Melo. Rose/Butler/Melo/Gibson/Asik is better than our current team IMO. It addresses our offensive defenciensies, and we would still have elite defense.

Good god. That lineup "addresses our offensive deficiencies.... by becoming worse on offense at three out of five positions? That team would have historically bad spacing. When Rose drove the paint, he'd have to do it against his own man, and Omer's man, and Taj's man, AND Jimmy's man. Plus at the time of the trade, frankly, Omer and Taj didn't look nearly as good as they later became.

Switch Jimmy with Korver. Switch Gibson with Boozer. They would still be on the team. And Taj is the same player now he was then.

[[d][R][o][s][e]]

I would not be surprised if a trade was on the table yesterday involving Boozer or Deng, but GarPax chose to err on the side of caution instead. When that trade fell through, Reggie went public.

that is what i believe happened.

My only reason for not be 100% with you guys is, why would Reggie know about a trade the Bulls could have had?

coz they informed derrick and derrick got excited then didnt happen boom

[League Circles]

Like Cleveland???

No the reason Miami is great is because they can overwhelm you with talent. They have to of the best transition finishers in the league and the best midrange shooting big man in the league. They also play hellacious defense.

Cleveland didn't surround Lebron with shooters, and certainly not good ones like in Miami. Also, Lebron wasn't the best player in the league then. He's a LOT better now than 3-4 years ago.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I would not be surprised if a trade was on the table yesterday involving Boozer or Deng, but GarPax chose to err on the side of caution instead. When that trade fell through, Reggie went public.

that is what i believe happened.

My only reason for not be 100% with you guys is, why would Reggie know about a trade the Bulls could have had?

Because his brother is the franchise player.

[League Circles]

well done all, 100 pages on a comment by a players brother. I'm out for now, have fun.

[Saphir]

When I sai making moves I mean moves that would make a huge difference like trading for Melo or Dwight, even if they wouldn't resign (Even though Melo would've played in Chicago.) This FO doesn't make moves like that. The Lakers do, which is why they have so many rings.

Bold Prediction: The days of the Dwight and Carmelo trades are over. They will be nothing more than a relic of the past. The new CBA killed extend-and-trades, so you won't be seeing anything like those trades ever again. The owners very much wanted to defang the players and remove their ability to hold a team hostage.

The new CBA did NOT kill extend-and-trades. Extend-and-trades were the VERY thing the owners caved on at the last minute in November 2011 to end the lockout and save the season. A lot of people were upset about that.

But they removed any incentive to signing an extension with the additional year that only happens if you resign with the same team after you hit free agency. Sure, teams can still do extend-and-trade deals per the CBA, but now there isn't any incentive for a player to sign an extension when they could get more money by resigning after letting their contract extension.

(I could be mistaken about this though, and if so, my apologies for the mixup)

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

well done all, 100 pages on a comment by a players brother. I'm out for now, have fun.

Huh?

Were we not supposed to discuss the biggest news to hit this franchise since Rose's ACL tear?

[PMONSTER]

When it comes to the Bulls, we should've been down for trading Deng/Noah for Melo. Rose/Butler/Melo/Gibson/Asik is better than our current team IMO. It addresses our offensive defenciensies, and we would still have elite defense.

Good god. That lineup "addresses our offensive deficiencies.... by becoming worse on offense at three out of five positions? That team would have historically bad spacing. When Rose drove the paint, he'd have to do it against his own man, and Omer's man, and Taj's man, AND Jimmy's man. Plus at the time of the trade, frankly, Omer and Taj didn't look nearly as good as they later became.

I don't know about that, do we still have Korver?
Is Boozer still on the team?

Teams like Denver need a lot of offensive players to make their offense work but when you have people like Rose and Melo, you're only a 3pt shooter away from being unstoppable on offense.

[League Circles]

well, one more thing. I VERY heavily doubt that the Bulls would ever tell Rose or anyone in his "camp" about a trade unless they both wanted to do it, were sure it was on the table, AND were planning on not doing it if Derrick didn't approve. No reason to involve them in talks unless you're going to let them help decide. The Bulls learned that many years ago with MJ.

[RedBulls23]

I'll ask the same of you that I asked of Biggie...

Please point out where I said that.

More importantly, please point out where Duck said that while not in context to THIS conversation (that would be the Bulls not bringing in a #2 player this year...while already at $74M).

Then what the heck are you talking about with the following statement?

but as far as a salary cap goes...if you want the $10M back to keep Korver and Brewer, look in Rose's checking account.