Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[SpinninHouse]

The root of the issue is this:

What moves could we have done to put us past Miami?

Dwight Howard refused to come here. It would have been a one year rental. That would have destroyed our team's future.

Dwayne Wade, Lebron James, and Chris Bosh all refused to come here.

Carmelo Anthony would only agree to a contract extension with the New York Knicks. Similar to the Dwight trade, that would have destroyed us when he walked after the one-year rental.

So that leaves James Harden, which would have required us to part with Joakim Noah, the Charlotte pick, and Taj Gibson. After extending Harden with a max deal, and Rose, Deng, and Boozer all committed to huge salaries -- we would not have been able to re-sign Asik. How would we have been in any better position to get past Miami with a watered down version of OKC's roster?

Looking at second and third tier players (OJ Mayo, etc) is absolutely pointless and will do nothing to get us over the hump. What Reggie Rose is demanding may quite literally be impossible. To a win a title we need Rose, Deng, Noah, and Gibson PLUS a star of Rose's caliber (or extremely close to it). That is the only way we'll beat a team with Lebron-Wade-Bosh.

It's looking more and more like we're the Utah Jazz/New York Knicks of the 90's. Just in the wrong place at the wrong team. They couldn't beat Michael and we can't beat Lebron.

[bennjuiced34]

Those comments by Reggie Rose are pretty short sided in my opinion. 'What have you pieced together?' 'Is the reason for Derrick coming back this year for winning or for money?' 'It's frustrating to see my brother put his heart and soul out for the team and them not put anything around him.'

I do agree with him that we we have work to do with the roster and that Derrick could use another main piece to play beside him, but to completely dismiss what the Bulls have done for Derrick is asinine. Paxson and Forman have given him one of the best coaches in the league, they have spent big money on a free agent power forward, they have put together a really good bench and they have picked well considering where they' havebeen slotted in the draft.

He's entitled to his opinion and I can understand the viewpoint that Derrick needs more help (offensively), but I thought his comments about Derrick putting his heart out for the team and not having anything around him was a slap in the face to his teammates, his coaches and the organization.

Derrick does play his heart out, but so did/does Noah, Butler, Deng, Korver, Nate, Taj, etc and to refer to his supporting cast as 'not anything' was way out of line.

It isnt surprising that people in Derrick's camp have this opinion and I certainly understand their frustration, but there is a certain way you go about voicing this type of opinion. Keep it behind closed doors or if you do speak with the media be respectful to whom you are referencing.

This very well just be Reggie's opinion alone, but it certainly creates unnecessary drama and it puts Derrick right in the crosshairs because people will be wondering if Derrick shares his brother's view and just hasn't made it public.

There is a time and place to voice these opinions and this wasn't the time nor the place. I just don't understand what Reggie was trying to accomplish.

[LobosJordan]

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[The Kane]

When it comes to the Bulls, we should've been down for trading Deng/Noah for Melo. Rose/Butler/Melo/Gibson/Asik is better than our current team IMO. It addresses our offensive defenciensies, and we would still have elite defense.

Good god. That lineup "addresses our offensive deficiencies.... by becoming worse on offense at three out of five positions? That team would have historically bad spacing. When Rose drove the paint, he'd have to do it against his own man, and Omer's man, and Taj's man, AND Jimmy's man. Plus at the time of the trade, frankly, Omer and Taj didn't look nearly as good as they later became.

I don't know about that, do we still have Korver?
Is Boozer still on the team?

Teams like Denver need a lot of offensive players to make their offense work but when you have people like Rose and Melo, you're only a 3pt shooter away from being unstoppable on offense.

We would still have Boozer and Korver

[RedBulls23]

Damn...I can't believe that this thread is going to need a part 2.

[League Circles]

well done all, 100 pages on a comment by a players brother. I'm out for now, have fun.

Huh?

Were we not supposed to discuss the biggest news to hit this franchise since Rose's ACL tear?

This news didn't "hit the franchise". It hit ESPNChicago.com and realgm. The biggest news to hit the franchise since the ACL tear, by far, are the decision to let Asik walk, the Taj extension, and the Thibbs extension.

[PMONSTER]

Because his brother is the franchise player.

No BIGGIE, I mean do managers and agents know about trades?

Say we could trade Deng for Eric Gordon, would Derrick know about that or would the FO keep it secret?

[CalilLove89]

There's another thing to consider and this is directed at the NBA in particular.

You have seedy guys in MLB. MLB guys are cheating on wives and doing all kinds of things. Reason it is less obvious? THey have pros running their PR. They have these antiseptic pristine inner circles of handlers.

The NBA stars very often have family/entourage etc doing things in an unprofessional manner (i.e. The Decision, i.e. Delonte West-- two things that shouldnt have been , literally, done)

We have to be smarter.

You got a mouse in your pocket, or do you play in the league?

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

well done all, 100 pages on a comment by a players brother. I'm out for now, have fun.

Huh?

Were we not supposed to discuss the biggest news to hit this franchise since Rose's ACL tear?

This news didn't "hit the franchise". It hit ESPNChicago.com and realgm. The biggest news to hit the franchise since the ACL tear, by far, are the decision to let Asik walk, the Taj extension, and the Thibbs extension.

Obviously, 99% of the board feels that it's a worthy discussion.

Sorry that it's beneath you.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I must say...it wouldn't surprise me if a Gordon for Deng trade was out there to be had. But again, that doesn't necessarily make us a better team. It just gives us a better scorer...

[CalilLove89]

Damn...I can't believe that this thread is going to need a part 2.

We gunna need a part 3 for sure.

[jumpmanjay]

well, one more thing. I VERY heavily doubt that the Bulls would ever tell Rose or anyone in his "camp" about a trade unless they both wanted to do it, were sure it was on the table, AND were planning on not doing it if Derrick didn't approve. No reason to involve them in talks unless you're going to let them help decide. The Bulls learned that many years ago with MJ.

they could be getting back channel info from other agents

[AAU Teammate]

It's worth discussion in that it's news.

I'm hoping it doesnt BECOME important. the new CBA makes it very unlikely Derrick ever leaves. But you dont want friction.

[transplant]

Reggie Rose wants the Bulls to stop being a FO that's dominated by reactionary, conservative, penny-pinching moves, and act like a big market team for once in their damn lives. This is the Chicago Bulls, not the New Orleans Pelicans.This team has not fallen outside of the Top 3 in attendance in 10 YEARS.

Like, how does that happen, yet the only moves we see the team talking about are moves that are salary dumping players?

What more do we as fans have to do to support the team before they finally start spending and thinking like a big market club? The moves and mindset of the FO reflect on the court too. We might be the only big market team that doesn't look like a big market team when you watch a game on TV. Fans support the Bulls, but the Bulls don't support the fans and it's tiresome.

I think you're confused. What is "acting like a big market"?

Is it trading a prime Shaq because of chemistry issues, and dropping from an elite team to a mediocre one in the process, is that acting like a big market?

What about dumping Lamar Odom and Derrick Fisher for financial reasons?

What about breaking up a title winner in Dallas?

What about Ainge being open about needing to look at trading Paul and KG to rebuild?

Or is it dealing Shaq to the Suns once you realize you're not a true contender anymore, and being very average for a few years because of it until you get the right moment (the Heat in 2010)?

Or is the "acting like a big market" that you really want paying Amare Stoudemire, Melo, and Chandler as if they were Bosh, Lebron, and Wade, while surrounding them with the AARP?

Or is it spending the second highest payroll in the league for a team whose best player is either a pretty good C who can't rebound or defend well in Lopez, or a barely still top 10 PG in Deron Williams?

Or is it paying a truly senile, impossibly bad on defense, 40 year old Steve Nash for 3 years?


OR, is it giving your backup PF in Taj a 4 year deal because you know you need his advantage to excel in the future, watching the implications of deals down the road closely, etc?

Ooh, this is awfully good. I was thinking the same sort of thing, but was too lazy to get the rundown. Mice work.

It can all be capsulized with the "If we only had an owner like Mark Cuban..." Many still subscribe to this lament despite the fact that after winning a title, Cuban's Mavs:

- traded Tyson Chandler to the Knicks in more of a pure salary dump than the Bulls' Chandler for P.J. Brown deal in 2006.

- let Jason Terry walk away, as we like to say, "for nothin'."

- likewise let Jose Barea, Caron Butler and Jason Kidd walk away for nothin'.

In fact, Cuban's Mav's got damn near nothing in return for 5 of the top 7 scorers from their championship team. The truth is that Cuban was once a seemingly crazy spender, but he's been reformed.

The other thing I'd like to say is that Bulls' management gets just about no credit for keeping its own draft picks. In the Paxson era, they re-signed 1st-rounders Hinrich, Chandler, Deng, Noah, Rose and Gibson. They unloaded Curry (got Noah), Ben Gordon (got nothin'), Tyrus Thomas (got a future 1st rounder), Thabo Sefolosha (got Gibson) and James Johnson (got Mirotic). That's a helluva record IMO.

[League Circles]

Obviously, 99% of the board feels that it's a worthy discussion.

Sorry that it's beneath you.

It's not beneath me. I never said it was or implied it. I've probably made dozens of posts in this thread. It's obviously discussion worthy. BUT, it is obviously overboard cause we're bored about a non active deadline and a horrible loss to Miami, and it clearly isn't as important to the Bulls as the Taj, Thibbs, and Omer transactions.

[The Kane]

Carmelo Anthony would only agree to a contract extension with the New York Knicks. Similar to the Dwight trade, that would have destroyed us when he walked after the one-year rental.

This is a myth. We were on Melo's list.

Looking at second and third tier players (OJ Mayo, etc) is absolutely pointless and will do nothing to get us over the hump.

If we had Mayo or EG in 2010-2011 we would likely have a championship.

To a win a title we need Rose, Deng, Noah, and Gibson PLUS a star of Rose's caliber (or extremely close to it). That is the only way we'll beat a team with Lebron-Wade-Bosh.

This is true though. Our window of oppurtunity has passed. Unless we can somehow trade Noah/Gibson for Love and Deng for Eric Gordon.

It's looking more and more like we're the Utah Jazz/New York Knicks of the 90's. Just in the wrong place at the wrong team. They couldn't beat Michael and we can't beat Lebron.

True. It's sad...

[Mech Engineer]

I'm just curious why people are making a hero out of Reggie Rose today? There has to be some need for a guy like that...because there are plenty of people (like Doug) who agree w/ a lot of that logic-- but are self-confident enough to admit -- hey that was bad for the organization. It shouldn't have been done.


So if you applaud Reggie, you must have some inner desire for that sort of thing. A need for it. Otherwise, why want it? It can only have negative consequences for the Bulls.

I'm not calling someone insecure as a direct insult, I'm just going with the evidence presented. This is in line with how some people NEED things like TMZ in their life now. If someone wants to tell me why the hero worship for these RR comments is needed & sensible - i'm glad to listen.

Otherwise, admit it was just a loudmouth mistake of a moment, and we can move on.

In your mind, Reggie Rose is a loudmouth and his comments were unnecessary(which many have said). And, even if people have given reasons for his comments, you do not want to accept it. I don't think it is a bad thing for somebody to call out the FO in public. Any time there is a conflict like this in public, it doesn't look good for many people even if it was after the season or during the lock-out. There is never a good time but hopefully it helps everyone to look in the mirror on what they can do better.

That said, if this becomes a pattern(somebody in Rose's circle talking bad things about the FO), then it becomes a problem.

[The Kane]

I must say...it wouldn't surprise me if a Gordon for Deng trade was out there to be had. But again, that doesn't necessarily make us a better team. It just gives us a better scorer...

It does IMO. Butler could make up for the majority of Deng's defense, and if he works on his offense this offseason he could be as good as Deng.

[rtblues]

Reggie, STFU!

[Mr Funk]

How was he gonna change the minds of those players in 2010?

--Was Lebron, Wade, & Bosh changing their plans because Rose sent them a 4 page love letter?

--Was JJ turning down the max contract from Atlanta because Rose sent him a 4 page love letter?

--Was Amare turning down the $100 million contract from NY because Rose sent him a 4 page love letter?

Only two big name free agents remained......Boozer & Lee.

You're kind of proving my point for me about Reggie Rose.

The Miami triumverate were not going to come here, and the max contract for JJ didn't help (and in hindsight, considering JJ's current production and play, I'm glad we didn't get him).

And this is what Reggie Rose obviously hasn't comprehended, nor has he likely not taken the new CBA nor the repeater tax into consideration. He has no idea just how difficult it is being a GM and how hard it is to build a winning team, which the Bulls have - the best overall team the last two seasons. I think the Bulls are waiting to make the right trade, ie the Lakers getting Pau Gasol, and not just wasting assets on Josh Smith, Monta Ellis, Redick et al.