Marshon: "I could score 20 a game"

[PetroNet]

http://www.netsdaily.com/2013/2/23/4020 ... hon-brooks

"I still believe if I got the minutes I could score 20 points per game."

Thats great marshon... jennigns and monte ellis score 20 a game too... if only it were all about scoring. maybe if you didnt play awful defense to the tune of a 111 defensive rating and have a turnover percentage of 17% you might be worth playing more minutes.

hopefully next year we can find you a team where you can chuck your brains out

[Keith Van Horn]

It would almost be good if he were scoring close to this off the bench and getting more minutes each game. It would help his trade value this summer. We're not winning anything this year anyway.

[PetroNet]

It would almost be good if he were scoring close to this off the bench and getting more minutes each game. It would help his trade value this summer. We're not winning anything this year anyway.

i think him playing more would hurt his value... right now there is still the myth/mystery that he is or can be a good player. him playing would just squash that as he shoots us out of games, turns it over and its a hot mess vomiting all over our season

[Pen Island]

Marshon needs to learn to move without the ball. Then we can talk.

[serp]

Marshon needs to learn to move without the ball. Then we can talk.

He can move without the ball he just can't hit a shot without dribbling the ball for 10+ seconds consistently. He gets the ball alot when he's wide open. He just doesn't shoot it in those situation instead dribbles it around for a while before taking a then contested shot.

[MrDollarBills]

It would almost be good if he were scoring close to this off the bench and getting more minutes each game. It would help his trade value this summer. We're not winning anything this year anyway.

i think him playing more would hurt his value... right now there is still the myth/mystery that he is or can be a good player. him playing would just squash that as he shoots us out of games, turns it over and its a hot mess vomiting all over our season

Evans does more damage on the court than Brooks does in what little time he receives.

[Pen Island]

Marshon needs to learn to move without the ball. Then we can talk.

He can move without the ball he just can't hit a shot without dribbling the ball for 10+ seconds consistently. He gets the ball alot when he's wide open. He just doesn't shoot it in those situation instead dribbles it around for a while before taking a then contested shot.

Sometimes I wonder if it's that he can't move off the ball, or the offense is so bad that it has him camp out on the perimeter like everyone else. Check this out:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xoZadSdVZ0[/youtube]

Just look at him come off screens, move without the ball, and shoot with no hesitation.

[halfHAVOC]

idk i didn't think he looked horrible last game. He looked like hes been trying harder defensively and whatnot, he has the talent but he does need consistent minutes and hes young so hes gonna mess up but he's gotta have minutes to play through that. Giving a guy like no minutes or playing him one game and not the next is detrimental to growth.

[CalamityX12]

its a frustration qoute for sure, i don't blame him at this point. Honestly he should rip into his coaches.

Brooks is not an all star or a jamal crawford player but the guy does deserve to go through the bumps and hits any young player would go through in their growing process. Play the guy and let him learn...

I mean we see constant bonehead plays from other guys yet they're still in the game. It doesn't make sense and doesn't leave opportunity to play here under this Avery school of thought. It's stupid and i can't keep up with rants and sh*t... i hope PJ gets what he deserves at the end, that's it.

[PetroNet]

Brooks is not an all star or a jamal crawford player but the guy does deserve to go through the bumps and hits any young player would go through in their growing process. Play the guy and let him learn...

thats what you do when your a 22-60 team, not a team playing for playoff positioning and home court. cant afford to have brooks on the court when we struggle to win games against sub par teams.

I mean we see constant bonehead plays from other guys yet they're still in the game. It doesn't make sense and doesn't leave opportunity to play here under this Avery school of thought. It's stupid and i can't keep up with rants and sh*t... i hope PJ gets what he deserves at the end, that's it.

watson and bogans dont make 1/4th the amount of boneheaded plays and are our 2 best back court defenders. there is no reason to give brooks time over those guys.

[MGrand15]

Smart teams develop their young players WHILE winning. I wish Popovic taught a class on how to do this. Marshon has skills that are valuable to any team in the league. He can get to the rim and score in isolations. He was a really good shooter in college, so he should be a good off the ball player too but either way - he has REALLY good offensive skills right now. He's a little shot happy (still shooting efficiently) but a GOOD coach teaches him to minimize those mistakes on defense and lets him loose on offense.

If Blatche, Evans, and Crash were held half as accountable as Marshon is, we'd be a much better team. Those guys blow defensive assignments and make mental mistakes on a consistent basis. I'm not sure why Marshon's are magnified by the coaching staff and the fans.

[PetroNet]

Smart teams develop their young players WHILE winning. I wish Popovic taught a class on how to do this. Marshon has skills that are valuable to any team in the league. He can get to the rim and score in isolations. He was a really good shooter in college, so he should be a good off the ball player too but either way - he has REALLY good offensive skills right now. He's a little shot happy (still shooting efficiently) but a GOOD coach teaches him to minimize those mistakes on defense and lets him loose on offense.

If Blatche, Evans, and Crash were held half as accountable as Marshon is, we'd be a much better team. Those guys blow defensive assignments and make mental mistakes on a consistent basis. I'm not sure why Marshon's are magnified by the coaching staff and the fans.

popvich... the same guy who trashed marshon a few games back saying it was an example of everything wrong with the game in the U.S. and how we need to develop teletovic more?

pop would never coach brooks, cause he doesnt play winning team ball, he'd dump him the first chance he had.

[MGrand15]

Popovic loves Stephen Jackson who had much worse things going on than Marshon does. He absolutely played badly in that Spur game and deserved to get called out - that doesn't mean it's game over for his career. It was one game during garbage time where a young player was trying to do too much. It happens.

[PetroNet]

Popovic loves Stephen Jackson who had much worse things going on than Marshon does. He absolutely played badly in that Spur game and deserved to get called out - that doesn't mean it's game over for his career. It was one game during garbage time where a young player was trying to do too much. It happens.

Its not one game, its 90% of the games he has played as a pro... i cited that game specifically because you said pop would coach him into a good player and pop actually flamed him.

also, please do not compare stephen jackson to brooks. its a horrific comparison. jackson is a bit of a loose cannon, but he plays excellent defense(and did so before going to the spurs) plays extremely tough, and has a much higher bbiq then brooks does. id kill to have stephen jackson back on this squad, he has a ton of what we lack

[vincecarter4pres]

Obviously I'm no fan of MorShoot Bricks, but with the paltry wings in front of him and the fact JJ just cannot play these huge minutes anymore at this age and still have enough gas for deep playoff runs, there's really no excuse for him to get so many CD-DNP's or yank him after literally 3 and a half minutes and never let him see the floor again games.

He can be a huge negative and enigma, he's demonstrated this so many times by hitting a huge 3, getting to the basket for a trip to the line and then drive and dishing for an assist in 3 straight possessions only to play **** defense and give up an easy layup, commit a Kingtard level foul, turn the ball over twice and jack up a super questionable shot or two after killing the clock ball stopping the offense to a halt on a string of consecutive awful possessions directly following the aforementioned great ones.

But regardless of all of that, he's the best option we have for a few 4 minute spurts to come in and provide a spark.

That's really it, with the other options we have he should still be playing 10 to 18 minutes any given night and rarely should be completely and totally benched and he needs to be able to play through some mistakes. Now he shouldn't be allowed to play through a myriad of them like the above noted extreme example, but this yanking him after one bad shot and blown assignment stuff is counterproductive to the max, both in player development and showcasing him for trade value, let alone some present on court impact.

PJ can kick rocks for real though.

[PetroNet]

PJ can kick rocks for real though.

he really can. For a guy who has been in the game so long, coached so many times on so many levels (college in the big east, in the nba, the orginal dream team, etc) you would think he would be an elite level teacher. Im not sure what the issue is... has he just gotten to a point where he doesnt have the will to invest the effort or is just so out of touch it isnt working?

I mean, kingtards(love this) or not, guys like blatche and brooks should be productive if used right.... how hard is it to really go to blatche and be like "dont ever ever ever take more then 3 dribbles or try and score outside of 12 feet? he is crazy efficent when he is decisive, goes quick and shoots inside 12 feet.

with brooks, its harder, cause he is a ball stopper, but i mean, how hard is it to be like look, when you get the ball either look to move it quick or look to go to the rim quick.

its been 50+ games, shouldnt be hard to drill these things into the heads of role players

[MGrand15]

There has to be something about coaching that forces you to live in your own world. You're so focused on the team and the absolute short-term that you tend to overlook the bigger picture. It's the only explanation I can think of that makes sense.

Petro, your Marshon hate is probably too far gone for you to be objective. You call him a chucker yet statistically, he's one of the more efficient players on our team. He doesn't stop the ball any more than Blatche, JJ, Lopez or anyone else that can actually create their own shot. The fact that he's playing 10 mpg is embarrassing and shows a complete lack of vision on the part of our coaching staff. How useful would it be to have a scorer to lead our second unit? If we let Marshon play through some mistakes, he might be a consistent contributor by now. At the least, he would've been a much better trade chip this deadline.

Honestly, I don't blame Marshon for being upset/frustrated. At the beginning of the year, Billy King said he envisioned Marshon playing the James Harden role. He was told he was going to be the 6th man. He got injured early and never got the chance to play that role. He's taken it VERY well considering the circumstances.

[vincecarter4pres]

MarShon is a chucker and a ball stopper and his efficiency is awful, so I'm not sure where you're getting this he's one of the more efficient players on this team thing from.

I agree PetroNet's hate has gone to the point it's clouded his judgement because I think Brooks basically sucks and still don't come close to the extreme he does, but he's fully correct on those points.

[MGrand15]

What stats are you using to determine that his efficiency is AWFUL?

His TS% is 53% - his FG% is 47% - per 36 minutes he's shooting 14 times a game and getting to the line 4 times a game.

How are these AWFUL numbers? This is with his 3s falling at a historically bad rate.

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah, we should've traded for Brooks for Jordan Hamilton. He's got a PER of 17.74