What happened to Rodney Stuckey?

[srt4b]

How does someone just totally stop progressing and become a player with almost no impact on a game whatsoever? The 8th man on any team could easily replace him and there would be no change on our season or on any given game. He has had so many opportunities over 6 years here and has digressed into a total non factor. At the end of the 2010-2011 season he had a bunch of 25+ games, 10+ assist games, 7 double doubles, and was taking over games and we were 4-1 to finish it out. Since then he gets worse almost nightly. Even his FTs are way down. Other than a 15 game streak over 20 PPG last year was was basically a 11/3 guy then too. So far this month he is averaging 10/2.5 and that is with a few chances to start and more minutes with the injuries/trade.

How does that even happen? he had a few injuries but he has came back from all of them with usual speed and looks physically okay on the court.

PPG/APG over his career:
8/3
13/5
17/5
16/5
15/4
11/3

This has been bothering me for 1.5 years.

[ComboGuardCity]

He is the definition of a tweener. He was an inconsistent PG and has been a bad SG. He needs the ball in his hands to be successful.

[Kilo]

He needs to be traded for a fresh start.

[srt4b]

He needs to be traded for a fresh start.

I guess that should have happened last week.

[ComboGuardCity]

Who knows, maybe Stuckey will play so well this next couple months and he can used at the draft to move up.

[Piston Pete]

Honestly, I don't think he wants to be here.

If we trade or cut him in the offseason, I expect him to revert back to the better version of himself wherever he ends up.

[Jodi]

He needs to be traded for a fresh start.

Basically this, and I'm a fan for Mr. Stuckey...

[King Bugs]

He was just never that good in the first place. The fact that he's still here just annoys me. We wasted so many years waiting for this bum to pan out and it never happened.

He needs the ball to put up numbers or to make any type of "impact" offensively, but unfortunately Rodney is not good enough to have the ball so much and his production is mediocre when he dominates the rock. Even in his best scoring season (16.6 ppg) he needed 15 shots to get it while shooting a lousy 40% from the field.

He's been nothing but fools gold his entire tenure in Detroit. All those stretches of great play that you mention srt4b, did nothing but trick fans into thinking Rodney was 'ready to turn the corner" or "had more room to grow". We handed the keys to the team over to him and got nothing but an undeserved entitlement complex, inconsistency, many losses, but thankfully we got some good lottery selections.

I truly can't wait until Joe's former "Sacred Cow" is finally off of this team.

[Umbra]

Pretty sure Memphis offered the 5th pick in the 2008 draft for him, who happened to be Kevin Love.

[ParrottK]

Stuckey's output is a consequence of his changed role. As our starting point guard he was getting 30+ minutes a game and had the ball in his hands. He also used to be the escape valve for the offense. He'd always get the ball when the shot clock was low and rush the defense for one of his belly-to-belly dry-hump layups. As off-guard he's a spot up shooter and a cutter, but he pretty much sucks at both of those things.

If he moved back to point guard, his numbers would probably improve. But he can't lead a good team. He doesn't know how to create shots for others and can't control the pace of the game.

[vege]

Stuckey was very clear when he said he wanted out of Detroit. Joe D signed him to a fat contract so yeah that's what happened. The guy doesn't want to play for us anymore and has been mailing it for a while.

He is the definition of a douche bag.

[ElectricMayhem]

A quick-look ranking of 15th picks from the 90s and 00s:

1. Steve Nash (1996)
2. Al Jefferson (2004)
3. Matt Harpring (1998)
4. Rodney Stuckey (2007)
5. Brent Barry (1995)
6. Kelvin Cato (1997)
7. Anthony Peeler (1992)
8. Robin Lopez (2008)
9. Eric Piatkowski (1994)
10. Bostjan Nachbar (2002)
11. Anthony Avent (1991)
12. Jason Collier (2000)
13. Steven Hunter (2001)
14. Reece Gaines (2003)
15. Cedric Simmons (2006)
16. Dave Jamerson (1990)
17. Antoine Wright (2005)
18. Doug Edwards (1993)
19. Frederic Weis (1999)
20 Austin Daye (2009)

Not bad at all. He is what is he is and there's nothing wrong with that. Just because some people on this board had bigger expectations than he could fulfill is not his fault. He's been a productive player for us, just not what we've needed for most of his career. He was in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Had he been a 6th man on the championship team, we'd be lauding him. He filled in great for an injured Chauncey against the Magic. In the end, he's not good enough to be a go to guy, and we've had no use for a role-player like him since the go-to-work teams. Being on a lousy team has sort of ruined him for us, but a trip to another team would probably be a breath of fresh air and could spur a mini-renaissance.

[qm22]

Stuckey is the same player as last season, averaging career lows in wide margins after making incremental progress each year.

I'm pretty confused why this year he is used in what he previously established as his most dreadful role. He is someone who likes to play quickly, makes safe passes, and can get to the rim. Getting to the rim and foul line is a great thing, and one of the reasons I've been confident Stuckey is a valuable piece.

I feel like there was a mandate to use Knight as a point guard early on, so Stuckey as a ball handler and slasher was reduced. Not that it had to be, Frank just decided to use him as a 3 point shooter, which is a fairly normal thing for a SG, but not all of them. Stuckey was able to revert to his old self when on the bench, before Bynum got hot and became the ball handler.

Incompatible lineups and playing to weaknesses is a significant problem. If you made a guy with an analogous game in Tony Parker into a 3 point shooter with the ball out of his hands, he wouldn't be a stand out player (a player much better than Stuckey intentionally used here to attempt to illustrate how poor coaching has an impact).

If we are going to use him as a guy camped on the 3 point line most of the time we should trade him. Since we did not it is a stupid, stupid way to utilize a roster. The results speak for themselves. A player with the same abilities but worse production from being used in a role where he hurts himself and the team and a terrible team record.

All together a frustrating aspect of the team, and I think I'm going to (continue to) stop watching until the team is reshaped around Monroe and Drummond and hopefully with a new coach. I don't believe in the likelihood of a miracle change where Stuckey excels in his new role or Frank becomes a good coach and the roster fits together -__-.

[mercury]

A quick-look ranking of 15th picks from the 90s and 00s:

1. Steve Nash (1996)
2. Al Jefferson (2004)
3. Matt Harpring (1998)
4. Rodney Stuckey (2007)
5. Brent Barry (1995)
6. Kelvin Cato (1997)
7. Anthony Peeler (1992)
8. Robin Lopez (2008)
9. Eric Piatkowski (1994)
10. Bostjan Nachbar (2002)
11. Anthony Avent (1991)
12. Jason Collier (2000)
13. Steven Hunter (2001)
14. Reece Gaines (2003)
15. Cedric Simmons (2006)
16. Dave Jamerson (1990)
17. Antoine Wright (2005)
18. Doug Edwards (1993)
19. Frederic Weis (1999)
20 Austin Daye (2009)

Not bad at all. He is what is he is and there's nothing wrong with that. Just because some people on this board had bigger expectations than he could fulfill is not his fault. He's been a productive player for us, just not what we've needed for most of his career. He was in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Had he been a 6th man on the championship team, we'd be lauding him. He filled in great for an injured Chauncey against the Magic. In the end, he's not good enough to be a go to guy, and we've had no use for a role-player like him since the go-to-work teams. Being on a lousy team has sort of ruined him for us, but a trip to another team would probably be a breath of fresh air and could spur a mini-renaissance.

Thanks for sharing... I would have rated Barry better than RS but this does put the pick in perspective... maybe we are expecting too much from our non lotto pick.

[coolness]

good pick, bad contract

could we have gotten Beno Udrih's expiring with a couple 2nd rounders????

[Redeemed]

Stuckey has checked out on the team. He reportedly put in a monster offseason, so his expectations were through the roof. The year prior he was working with a therapist, so his moody hissy fits were supposed to be a thing of the past.

Before of those attempts at self betterment reap no benefits this season. He hasn't stepped to the challenge of what it requires to be a standout ballplayer in the NBA. He has blamed others for his less than stellar career. He ranted about wanting out before Joe gifted him his contract. I call it a gift because he didn't get any offers from anyone. NO ONE WANTED HIM.

Now he checks out on the team, because that will increase his value (sarcasm). I hope some team takes him off our hands. I'm sick of seeing him occupy space on the team. With Bynum out, I cringe to see what lack of effort Stuckey will bring to the next game.

[Goldtop]

^ppl talked about moving on from the 2004 era forever, but now that thats offically over with the trade of Tay, its now time to move on from the Rodney Stuckey era ASAP. To me, he represents the famous "transisition". He's like the new millenium teal era. Just like that was after the bad boys and before the 04 team, the "Stuckey era"...or should it be called the "Sucky era"? lol..was after the 04 team and before the Drummond era. We need to move on from Stuckey before the Drummond era can truly begin.

I really don't know what else is left that Dumars could still see in him at this point. If Joe comes back with the same "Stuckey fits our core vision going forward" again this summer I'm going to puke. The only he should even be allowed back is just as a large expiring contract as trade bait, and he can take Bad Porns seat on the bench nextl year until we find a taker

[srt4b]

A quick-look ranking of 15th picks from the 90s and 00s:

1. Steve Nash (1996)
2. Al Jefferson (2004)
3. Matt Harpring (1998)
4. Rodney Stuckey (2007)
5. Brent Barry (1995)
6. Kelvin Cato (1997)
7. Anthony Peeler (1992)
8. Robin Lopez (2008)
9. Eric Piatkowski (1994)
10. Bostjan Nachbar (2002)
11. Anthony Avent (1991)
12. Jason Collier (2000)
13. Steven Hunter (2001)
14. Reece Gaines (2003)
15. Cedric Simmons (2006)
16. Dave Jamerson (1990)
17. Antoine Wright (2005)
18. Doug Edwards (1993)
19. Frederic Weis (1999)
20 Austin Daye (2009)

Not bad at all. He is what is he is and there's nothing wrong with that. Just because some people on this board had bigger expectations than he could fulfill is not his fault. He's been a productive player for us, just not what we've needed for most of his career. He was in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Had he been a 6th man on the championship team, we'd be lauding him. He filled in great for an injured Chauncey against the Magic. In the end, he's not good enough to be a go to guy, and we've had no use for a role-player like him since the go-to-work teams. Being on a lousy team has sort of ruined him for us, but a trip to another team would probably be a breath of fresh air and could spur a mini-renaissance.

I No one is comparing him to other picks, he was progressing and our GM built him up as the future of the team. Then he started digressing and has been steadily declining for 2 years now. Why? I feel the same about Ben Gordon. The dude was one player then he just totally transformed into another. It's crazy.

[jman2585]

Never that good. Someone's gotta get numbers on bad teams, and you play enough you'll show something.

The guy has no position (well he does, combo guard off the bench, but you can't build around that).

[qm22]

I No one is comparing him to other picks, he was progressing and our GM built him up as the future of the team. Then he started digressing and has been steadily declining for 2 years now. Why? I feel the same about Ben Gordon. The dude was one player then he just totally transformed into another. It's crazy.

1. He has not been steadily declining for 2 years. The previous season was his best statistically, and he was unselfish too, and played through injuries. It wasn't meaningless stats. He had a PER of one of the top SGs in the NBA.
2. He declined this year, statistically, but when playing the same role as before (last games, and when he was the PG off the bench before Bynum took over) he looks the same as the last 2 seasons. Now he has a PER of, I'm guessing, a top 1000 player in the NBA.
3. Given 1-2, he has been a better player than Knight, Bynum, Singler, and temporary golden boy Calderon. But he is used in a way that makes him a team detriment in the current season. He should be traded or a new rotation should be organized or he should turn into Ray Allen (no chance of any of them happening).

(This is a bit of a random point, but since it was a Stuckey topic) I missed the Pacers games where Stuckey had better stats, and read on Pistonpowered a lot of his FGs were forced shots on expiring shotclocks. If you compare it to Calderon he sometimes holds the ball the whole shotclock and then gives it to someone else for the desperation shot. That positively impacts individual stats but doesn't help the team.