Summer 2013 Targets?

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Post#101 » by StocktonShorts » Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:52 am

If the Jazz make Bledsoe a target they can only acquire him through a trade. The earliest he could be a FA is summer of 2014.
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Re: Summer 2013 Targets? 

Post#102 » by Neon Black » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:32 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:absolutely. i'm high on him mostly because of his defense and intangibles and not so much because of his offense. he played combo guard up until this year (with stints as a PF. yes, a PF) in high school, and his coach this year did the right thing and converted him to a PG, so he does have a ways to go. but i really like him. the combination of his age\physical attributes\intangibles\defense\team mentality and the room he has to grow on various aspects of the game is the draw for me. he is not an elite athlete but he's good. i can see him average 17 pts at one point or another, but i don't think he will be very efficient doing it.


I'm not sure why I used the word "elite" to describe his offense at this point. Sometimes things just come out of me.

But at the same time, I'm of the opinion that he will probably become much more efficient offensively. He's still got a good deal of rawness to his game...but it seems like it's all within the realm of very feasible adjustments. This morning he got in foul trouble and sat out the entire first half...he came back and score like 16 points at will in the second half and did so quite efficiently. One or two bad shots in there, for sure.

I really, really don't think he's looking to score as much with the other offensive weapons Oklahoma has. I also think he's a very selective distributor...he doesn't always directly look to set up a play – he often gets the ball in the flow of the offense and as a result, everyone gets touches and he gets less assists. But when he DOES look to pass and directly create, it's a thing of beauty. Kid had some passes today that were nothing short of basketball art.
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Re: Summer 2013 Targets? 

Post#103 » by RyanStorm » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:56 am

Jazz have watson for back up, but others have JR Smith and Andre Miller....They also have Jason Kidd and Ty Lawson, and we have Tinsley.

The back court is the obvious reason were not up there with them. Jefferson and Millsap are good big men, with great bench rotaters. If you put Hayward at SF, our back court consists of almost absolutely nothing especially defensively. Mo, Tinsley, Watson, and Murphy, with Burks and Foye as only offense right now.


I personally like all the young guys including Carroll, they are great price/performance players(this doesn't include Murphy or Evans). What the younglings do for the price is just right. The biggest problem we have is finding any replacements that make us better. Even if we used Kanter and Favors as trade chips, and kept Millsap and Jefferson, who could we get that would be equal or better, same goes if we trade Millsap and Jefferson.


I think were set on front court for the mots part in the current line up, but we really need to look into getting solid PG's. Imagine if we had Ty Lawson and Andre Miller instead of Mo and Tinsley.....we would be up their, especially if we had Faried over Millsap.


When your small market, you rarely sign/trade exceptional talent, with most your prowess coming from draft, and the draft giving you later trade value(like Dwill turned into guys like Favors).

I think our best bet at getting potential talent is from the draft. I mean look what we could have gotten for "free", if we drafted Bledsoe, compared to trying to trade for him later. Now we don't have those big players (dwill and boozer), we don't have any big trade value. We traded and now instead of having a top premier PG and PF, we have a couple of non-tier 1 bench players, and our old bench PF is now our starter PF(who is still inferior).
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Re: Summer 2013 Targets? 

Post#104 » by Luigi » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:43 am

3rd string point guards deserve to be compared to other 3rd string point guards.

I don't think having the best backup point guard in the league is going to win us a championship. We need a starter better than Mo if we're going to improve.
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Post#105 » by Neon Black » Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:30 am

I think our #1 priority should be resigning Brevin Knight and Greg Ostertag, since they're both becoming free agents this summer.
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Post#106 » by pickIBL » Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:30 pm

Mark Eaton was looking pretty spry so let's not forget about him.

IMO it is easiest to trade up with the more inept franchises (Kings & Wiz).

I'd say you offer the Wiz Kanter plus Jazz first for Vesely, Singleton, rights to Satoransky, and their 1st.

This is the safe and cheap way out for the Wiz. In a draft where there is no obvious selection for them... they'll opt for a trade. Vesely & Singleton would only be on the books for one year... then you can cut them loose.

The Jazz are far enough under the cap that they can absorb these two for one season... no problem & take a guy playing well overseas. The Wiz can throw Tomas in because the fanbase won't think anything of it. No PR hit.
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Re: Summer 2013 Targets? 

Post#107 » by Inigo Montoya » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:41 pm

there is no way i'd offer kanter in any attempt to move up in THIS draft.

also, vesely is utter crap. singelton hardly made an impact so far - he is a very limited offensive player and a good defender that should come cheap in free agency. this is a terrible deal for the jazz.

as for sacramento, it seems like the easiest course of action will be to let the pick in the top 5 and then make a trade with them 3 months later...
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Re: Summer 2013 Targets? 

Post#108 » by pickIBL » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:50 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:there is no way i'd offer kanter in any attempt to move up in THIS draft.

also, vesely is utter crap. singelton hardly made an impact so far - he is a very limited offensive player and a good defender that should come cheap in free agency. this is a terrible deal for the jazz.

as for sacramento, it seems like the easiest course of action will be to let the pick in the top 5 and then make a trade with them 3 months later...


Figured you'd like Tomas. He'd be your kind of PG. Longer and better quickness defensively than Wolters. Plus he's playing well in the ACB & Eurocup which is a lot higher level.

The trade is basically Satoransky & Smart for Kanter & a lower pick. You'd just need to find a 3rd string PG (Tinsley) and you'd be set there. Sign Tomic to replace Kanter.

Not easy to think up a way to trade up to get Smart... without giving up more than you want to. This is the best reasonable deal I can think of. And you can debate the merits of if it makes sense. But you must factor in the 6'7 (21 year old) PG from Spain.
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Re: Summer 2013 Targets? 

Post#109 » by AingesBurner » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:12 pm

I hope we don't resign Paul and move Williams to backup PF, that seems like his jam. Still have Hayward coming off the bench for his scoring punch, he will be the Jazz's Ginobli. I think we should start Burks and give him 24-26 minutes a game with Foye coming off the bench. If we can resign Jefferson than go after Dalambert as a back up to Kanter. I think if Jefferson wants to leave for more money and lets say NOH is offering the money then see if we can steall Vasquez away from them. Now for the most important part, PG. On my wish list is Tyreke Evans, Bledsoe (if he doesn't cost an arm and a leg), Jarrett Jack, and Chauncey Billups, My theory on Billups, Jack, Tinsley, and maybe Mo Williams is that we can get a PG through the draft and have them train the new guy. I hope we get a new, seasoned NBA coach as well. Does Popovich have anyone under his wings that we could steal?
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Re: Summer 2013 Targets? 

Post#110 » by hoops4life » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:53 am

I know he is a bit of a lightening rod around here but I would see if there was a way to get Evans from Sac on the cheap, like someone previously mentioned. I'd like to see him play the 2 with Hayward at the 3.

I pray that Marvin doesn't opt-in but I'd be shocked if he didn't.

I don't think I'd bring Watson and Tinsley back. I think I'd lean towads Tinsley but would be fine with whomever is cheaper.

I don't follow draft stuff this early. I'd go with Bpa and hope he is a point guard. I'd try and package our pick and the Gsw pick because I don't think we need two first round rookies.

I am fine with Foye for now but wouldn't mind going after Redick or Korver, if we don't have to over pay.
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Re: Summer 2013 Targets? 

Post#111 » by RyanStorm » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:24 am

Foye's scoring would work way better on the bench, with a guy like Jefferson as your scoring leader, especially with Millsap also making paint points, not to mention all our SF's have a 3pter, including Marvin. Then when Mo is back, you still got your clutch 3pter in your PG!

I rather have Burks defense than Foye's offense for the starting line up. Than have Foye toss up 5 3pt'ers in 15 minutes a game sounds like a better idea, especially since our offense isn't focues on Foye.


The only targets I am looking for is our the draft picks. I have no idea who were keeping and you were not. The only guys who I think are must keeps is Carroll, and maybe Foye both as bench players. The rest do or don't fit our next year plans, hayward and carroll as rotating small forwards is a good line up for us, and so is Burks and Foye.

My list of FA's: Evans, Jack, Hickson, Pekovic, and I hope for Chris Paul
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Re: Summer 2013 Targets? 

Post#112 » by hoops4life » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:39 pm

I could be interested in Iguodala, if he opted out.

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