Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18)

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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#21 » by Inigo Montoya » Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:57 am

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Because of this dumb coach


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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#22 » by StocktonShorts » Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:00 am

Can we fire Corbin already?
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Post#23 » by RyanStorm » Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:54 am

I second the motion for the 2nd time this week, on firing Corbin and give someone like Hornacek a shot or beg Phil Johnson to come in and take over or find someone who can be a successful coach, cause Corbin is not the long term solution.

What doesn't go on during the court time is only half the problem. I mean how come someone like Kanter who has so much head room its not calculable, yet, sits on his ass and isn't getting face time on the court with only 14.3 minutes which is only 1 minute increase since his rookie year, and still increased his numbers.


Kanter, Favors and Hayward have all increased their numbers this year and two of them only got 1 minute increase and Hayward is getting 4 less minutes and isn't starting this year like he did 58 times last year(which is f#$#ing insane) and still increased his numbers....why not start him...we punish those who come out and hustle(Carroll, Hayward, Favors), and start those who go whole games without doing anything(Marvin, Tinsley)!!!

Burks is getting less minutes this year and didn't even get the rotation till late Dec, even though he makes Watson and Tinsley obsolete on the court. You put either of them on with Burks and they do absolutely nothing, you just watch and ask why the hell do we waste the most important position on two guy who can't do anything, when you could have Burks do something, like penetrate or defend.


All this goes on, while we play guys like Marvin, Tinsley, Jefferson and Millsap in the main rotation who have hit their roof, and we know their roof is barely playoff potential, and have no long term solutions and just like Corbin they are what we settled on, even though we have the answer in our back pocket.


I think Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter all have so much room to get better, yet they are being (Please Use More Appropriate Word) by Corbin's idioticy cause his logic makes no sense, nor do the words that describe him as a coach.
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#24 » by Luigi » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:25 am

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I just saw it (tivo). 8 assists wasn't bad. Yeah, he missed his shots, but the team was in a funk tonight. Frustrating game. I'm glad Griffin didn't injure any of our guys.
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#25 » by FJS » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:52 am

You watch our starting five and you see 0 points from Foye, Tinsley and Marvin.
Jefferson and Millsap being decent (not their best games, of course)

Then you see how our bench was in +. Hayward, Burks, Kanter playing pretty well... so It's time to bench players like Marvin who doesn't playing well, and bench Foye when he is off.
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#26 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:29 am

Tinsley looks gassed from starting.
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#27 » by Nate505 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:16 am

If tonight doesn't prove that Corbin isn't an NBA caliber head coach I don't know what will. The 3rd quarter was just inexcusable from a coaching standpoint.
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#28 » by red4hf » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:42 pm

FJS wrote:You watch our starting five and you see 0 points from Foye, Tinsley and Marvin.
Jefferson and Millsap being decent (not their best games, of course)

Then you see how our bench was in +. Hayward, Burks, Kanter playing pretty well... so It's time to bench players like Marvin who doesn't playing well, and bench Foye when he is off.


I would disagree that Jefferson and Millsap were "decent" in that game....... They were awful...... Millsap got raped by Griffin in the first half and then again by Odom in the second half, I hope the Jazz filed a police report, cause he was brutally abused...... And don't get me started on Jefferson with his performance......
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#29 » by FJS » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:08 pm

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FJS wrote:You watch our starting five and you see 0 points from Foye, Tinsley and Marvin.
Jefferson and Millsap being decent (not their best games, of course)

Then you see how our bench was in +. Hayward, Burks, Kanter playing pretty well... so It's time to bench players like Marvin who doesn't playing well, and bench Foye when he is off.


I would disagree that Jefferson and Millsap were "decent" in that game....... They were awful...... Millsap got raped by Griffin in the first half and then again by Odom in the second half, I hope the Jazz filed a police report, cause he was brutally abused...... And don't get me started on Jefferson with his performance......


Millsap raped Griffin too.. He was like 15 points it the 1st quarter. Griffin was 5.

You watch the box score and you see from our starters 37 points... all for Al and Paul. So, yes, they didn't have a great game, but in comparision, they had a decent game.
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#30 » by red4hf » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:13 pm

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FJS wrote:You watch our starting five and you see 0 points from Foye, Tinsley and Marvin.
Jefferson and Millsap being decent (not their best games, of course)

Then you see how our bench was in +. Hayward, Burks, Kanter playing pretty well... so It's time to bench players like Marvin who doesn't playing well, and bench Foye when he is off.


I would disagree that Jefferson and Millsap were "decent" in that game....... They were awful...... Millsap got raped by Griffin in the first half and then again by Odom in the second half, I hope the Jazz filed a police report, cause he was brutally abused...... And don't get me started on Jefferson with his performance......


Millsap raped Griffin too.. He was like 15 points it the 1st quarter. Griffin was 5.

You watch the box score and you see from our starters 37 points... all for Al and Paul. So, yes, they didn't have a great game, but in comparision, they had a decent game.


In comparison to what? Getting smashed in the face with a baseball bat? Sure, OK, their performance was better than that......
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#31 » by reapaman » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:46 pm

Millsap and Jefferson were not that bad, don't go by +/- and stop overreacting to everything the vets do that isn't perfect. Now the other starters on the other hand .... pure suckage.
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Post#32 » by outerspacefella » Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:01 pm

Coach's to blame in this one methinks. Sometimes you have to adapt on the fly. Jamaal, Randy and Marvin had got about ZERO points and played just horrible ball in the first half... Corbin should have not started the second half with them...
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Post#33 » by Inigo Montoya » Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:17 pm

reapaman wrote:Millsap and Jefferson were not that bad, don't go by +/- and stop overreacting to everything the vets do that isn't perfect. Now the other starters on the other hand .... pure suckage.


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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#34 » by red4hf » Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:32 pm

reapaman wrote:Millsap and Jefferson were not that bad, don't go by +/- and stop overreacting to everything the vets do that isn't perfect. Now the other starters on the other hand .... pure suckage.


I don't care about +/-...... Millsap couldn't guard Griffin, Jazz had to throw so many double teams at him that it allowed all the other Clipper playes wide open shots...... And in the second half he was beyond terrible......

I usually defend Jefferson, but he was horrible in the first half...... I hated pretty much everything he did, or tried to do......
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#35 » by kebutah » Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:47 pm

The starters collectively lost the start of the game and were blown out at the start of the third quarter. This has been an all too common occurrence this year. When we are always playing from behind it is hard to win consistently.
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Post#36 » by Ming Kong! » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:07 pm

We need to start Hayward or Carroll, Marvin Williams has been garbage 90% of the time. While Hayward deserves to start, he has been playing too good in his role, I think I prefer him to come off the bench. I think we may need to start Burks soon, he has been outplaying all our guards (besides Hayward).
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Post#37 » by Ming Kong! » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:10 pm

Best healthy rotation?

Jefferson/Kanter
Millsap/Favors
Carroll/Ma. Williams
Burks/Hayward/Foye
Mo Williams/Tinsley
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#38 » by red4hf » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:14 pm

Ming Kong! wrote:Best healthy rotation?

Jefferson/Kanter
Millsap/Favors
Carroll/Ma. Williams
Burks/Hayward/Foye
Mo Williams/Tinsley


Jefferson/Favors/Carroll/Burks/Mo as the starters......
Kanter/Millsap/Hayward/Foye/Tinsley as the backups.......

With Hayward getting about 28-30 minutes a game....... And Millsap getting around 28 minutes as well...... We'd have a much better starting unit defensively, and a more balanced bench attack.......
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Re: Game 56: Utah Jazz (31-24) @ Los Angeles Clippers (39-18 

Post#39 » by Nate505 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:46 pm

outerspacefella wrote:Coach's to blame in this one methinks. Sometimes you have to adapt on the fly. Jamaal, Randy and Marvin had got about ZERO points and played just horrible ball in the first half... Corbin should have not started the second half with them...


That would require him to think outside the box. In Ty's world the same group of jokers start every game and every 2nd half, regardless of how much they suck out there. And they will continue to do so, because he's totally inept at making adjustments. Which is a massive reason he sucks as a head coach.
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Post#40 » by SoCalJazzFan » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:21 pm

I noticed that only was the defense better when Favors (and later Kanter) entered, but their was some pushing and boxing out on the boards. This seemed to frustrate and tire their frontcourt. I see too much standing tall flat footed from Al and Sap, and they (the team) often pay for it with put backs, dunks and undeserved rebounds from the other team.

I also saw Marvin go to on a completely open back door, but Tinsley was intent on dumping it to Al for his one on two or three moves that he didn't lob it to him. I saw Marvin's body language that it really wasn't worth the effort as he backtracked to clear out for Al. Anyone else notice that?

It was amazing how the whole game changed when GH, Burks and Favors came in. Those 3 should have started the 3rd Q.

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