Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching

vini_vidi_vici · Post #41 » by **vini_vidi_vici** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:08 am

Since everyone here complains about lack of offensive sets, what would you run? This is all I want answered.

Why is it when we ran plays with Jose on the floor (a guy who runs sets, great shooter), the narrative was he "pounds the rock too much", yet when we go out and get an inefficient ISO player, to go with another one, its lack of offensive sets? Casey has shown he can do both, but its the talent, and accumulation that is going wrong. Casey started running a pre-dominantly Iso offense because thats where the best 2 scorers excel, does this need to be said again?

So why go small ball, because guess what, you need shooters when Gay/DD are on the floor, so instead of Val/Amir you bring in the third best 3pt shooter on the team, AA (a whopping 35%). I dont expect anyone to watch MIA games, but thats how we are trying to be built. What do they have an abundance of? and what plays are run? Shooters/ISO offense. Which one is Caseys fault? Remember when Sam said he couldnt coach like he wanted? Could this not apply to Casey? of course not.

But hey we need a low post threat right? thank god we shipped out one of the best 3pt shooters in the league! This team is just a bad amalgamation of talent. But alas everyone needs a scapegoat, so blame rotations, or whatever you parrot from others, but dont bother accepting that this team is very flawed.

The worst part is I think Casey is just a good coach not great, but the narratives are out of control.

Marvin Martian · Post #42 » by **Marvin Martian** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:09 am

PnR/Isos is not an "offense". You are basically asking Gay and DD to play God everytime. It will work against bad defensive teams like NYK but not against teams like MEM and WAS.

Unless you have a "coach on the floor" like Chris Paul, this will not take the team anywhere. This is the result of bad offensive schemes against a good defense.

2 things that I would do this offseason if I am BC:

1. Fire Casey and bring in a top level coach that knows his Xs and Os

2. Sell high on Amir Johnson and find a 2 way PF that can execute a PnP so good defenses do not auto-swarm the ball handler. If Ross has to go then so be it

Sojourn · Post #43 » by **Sojourn** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:10 am

22haytham22 wrote:Casey really reminds me a lot like Kevin Oneil...good Defense, horrible offense...we really need an x and o kind of coach that can coach both offense and defense respectably and have an assistant as a players coach and we should be fine....Stan Van Gundy anyone?

kevin o'neil is a far superior coach but he was a hothead. KO deliberately slowed down the game so there would be less possessions, every possession was valued and no mistakes.

22haytham22 · Post #44 » by **22haytham22** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:13 am

Sojourn wrote:
22haytham22 wrote:Casey really reminds me a lot like Kevin Oneil...good Defense, horrible offense...we really need an x and o kind of coach that can coach both offense and defense respectably and have an assistant as a players coach and we should be fine....Stan Van Gundy anyone?

kevin o'neil is a far superior coach but he was a hothead. KO deliberately slowed down the game so there would be less possessions, every possession was valued and no mistakes.

Yea and we barely scored, it was by far the most boring season I had ever watched...this season is catching up...anyways I still maintain we need an X and O coach

raptorfan416 · Post #45 » by **raptorfan416** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:14 am

livnthedream416 wrote:F*CK DWANE CASEY
F*CK BRYAN COLANGELO
F*CK ALAN ANDERSON (Especially)
F*CK THE F*CKING CRAPTORS

GO LEAFS GO!

You mean go jays go.. The leafs are not going anywhere with That AHL team...

notagenius · Post #46 » by **notagenius** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:15 am

i can't understand why casey isn't using rudy in the post, instead he is just letting him iso beyond the 3pt line.

It's mind boggling.

Left Side Drive · Post #47 » by **Left Side Drive** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:17 am

fabolous88 wrote:i can't understand why casey isn't using rudy in the post, instead he is just letting him iso beyond the 3pt line.

It's mind boggling.

He should not settle for the long 2 either, but drive every time. I don't care we have DD and Rudy they are called slashers for a reason right?

West Rouge · Post #48 » by **West Rouge** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:18 am

Another coach take the blame for BC's mess

TylerTheDebater · Post #49 » by **TylerTheDebater** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:20 am

Rudy was having a bad offensive game but a good defensive game.
Jonas is still a rookie. id-0Ross is still a rookie. They don't get minutes in the fourth based on the past of the season.
The line up you have our there has won a bunch of games the last few months. You keep them in there.
Kyle and Rudy are the most clutch players on the team. You keep them in.

Casey's major problems are his mid-game subs and now, his defense..

DHK · Post #50 » by **DHK** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:23 am

vini_vidi_vici wrote:Since everyone here complains about lack of offensive sets, what would you run? This is all I want answered.

Why is it when we ran plays with Jose on the floor (a guy who runs sets, great shooter), the narrative was he "pounds the rock too much", yet when we go out and get an inefficient ISO player, to go with another one, its lack of offensive sets? Casey has shown he can do both, but its the talent, and accumulation that is going wrong. Casey started running a pre-dominantly Iso offense because thats where the best 2 scorers excel, does this need to be said again?

So why go small ball, because guess what, you need shooters when Gay/DD are on the floor, so instead of Val/Amir you bring in the third best 3pt shooter on the team, AA (a whopping 35%). I dont expect anyone to watch MIA games, but thats how we are trying to be built. What do they have an abundance of? and what plays are run? Shooters/ISO offense. Which one is Caseys fault? Remember when Sam said he couldnt coach like he wanted? Could this not apply to Casey? of course not.

But hey we need a low post threat right? thank god we shipped out one of the best 3pt shooters in the league! This team is just a bad amalgamation of talent. But alas everyone needs a scapegoat, so blame rotations, or whatever you parrot from others, but dont bother accepting that this team is very flawed.

The worst part is I think Casey is just a good coach not great, but the narratives are out of control.

What I would run?
I would use my bigs.

A) Amir and Val have underrated post games, I'd give them the ball in the post, give them few chances to operate. Amir has a very nice hook and soft touch around the basket and a good finish. Val also has a good back to the basket game although it's still unpolished.

B) Run more pick and roll. ever since JC left, Amir's being hung out to dry. through the JC/Amir PnR it was always guaranteed points as it was quite difficutl to stop especially with Amir being one of the best rollers to the basket with glue like hands. Val also has a great PnR Game, that's how they used him effectively in the national team and in Euroleague not sure why they're shying away from that here.

C) The wings. Motion offense. The fact that the play is "Give gay/demar. spectate" is not a good play. Casey also has to recognize that he has two very strong screeners in Val/Amir, and Gay/Demar both have wet mid range games. Why not abuse it? Have them continue run around, get them looks off of curls, make a play taht generates space for them instead of having a pre-set spacing layout and telling them to generate.

D) Adapt. They're packing the paint? Bring in your best shooters. bring in bargs to strech them out to force them to crawl out of their tight spaces, He does figure it out, but by the time he does, it's too late the opponent has made a run. He's terrible at in-game adaptations on offensive schemes

Kabatnaz · Post #51 » by **Kabatnaz** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:25 am

It was a bad game.

It's been a couple of bad games. When your #1 option on the floor has a brutal night from the field and your starting PG turns the ball over 3 times in the first (out of 7 1st Q TOs, I believe) there isn't a thing any coach can do.

Off night, on to Wednesday.

Post #52 » by **Undefeated** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:26 am

He is trying to run a motion offense, though...

DHK · Post #53 » by **DHK** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:30 am

Undefeated wrote:He is trying to run a motion offense, though...

Keyword: trying
He was using it effectively for a stretch, ever since we've acquired Gay, we're stray further and further away from that.
Too much standing around, little ball movement.
We get into quick leads in the 1st all the time because that's when our focus is at our highest.
Every screen has a purpose, every pass has a purpose, eerythin'g nice and crisp. As the game prolongs, he turns it into an Iso game with Gay/Anderson instead of mixing his schemes up and suddenly the momentum shift resides in how well 1 player does which is a poor gamble to take.

Post #54 » by **Undefeated** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:36 am

And that's exactly what I implied. The most basic thing motion offense requires is instinct by the players being able to read-and-react. I mean yeah, there are textbook stuff you can run, but most of that breaks down.

TorontoSlaptors · Post #55 » by **TorontoSlaptors** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:37 am

I'm sure that Casey drew up a Harlem Shake play tonight. That's the only reason he brought Ross in.

Bankai · Post #56 » by **Bankai** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:39 am

Dont forget terrible substitutions. The team was bleeding! Casey calls a timeout and trots back the same lineup, and THEN starts subbing them out when their was dead balls. He always does this, What are the points of those timeouts if you arent making the changes then!?

dagger · Post #57 » by **dagger** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:39 am

There was one play tonight that defined everything Casey is not/

Actually, Randy Whitman drew it up. In the final five minutes, coming out of a timeout, the Wiz inbounded in the Raps zone, crossed Beal and Webster using a double screen, Wall hits Beal coming off the screen, Beal passes to Nene wideopen driving the baseline. Result: easiest bucket of the night for either team.

I'm convinced Casey can't think in terms of more than one screen, more than one wing crossing sides, his brain can't grasp that kind of offensive complexity.

DHK · Post #58 » by **DHK** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:40 am

Undefeated wrote:And that's exactly what I implied. The most basic thing motion offense requires is instinct by the players being able to read-and-react. I mean yeah, there are textbook stuff you can run, but most of that breaks down.

Oh ok, fair enough

will · Post #59 » by **will** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:43 am

His substitutions or lack of is the worse. You got a rotation, but that doesn't mean you can't deviate and make adjustments instead of sticking to the rotation for the sake of sticking to a rotations. :lol:

West Rouge · Post #60 » by **West Rouge** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:43 am

dagger wrote:There was one play tonight that defined everything Casey is not/

Actually, Randy Whitman drew it up. In the final five minutes, coming out of a timeout, the Wiz inbounded in the Raps zone, crossed Beal and Webster using a double screen, Wall hits Beal coming off the screen, Beal passes to Nene wideopen driving the baseline. Result: easiest bucket of the night for either team.

I'm convinced Casey can't think in terms of more than one screen, more than one wing crossing sides, his brain can't grasp that kind of offensive complexity.

He was brought in to turn Bargs into Dirk. Since that failed he will be fired but BC wont fire him for the reason you mentioned