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Re: Official Tobias Harris watch thread 

Post#201 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:44 am

tonyreyes123 wrote:College basketball sucks.

I went to the mu game tonight and the place was rocking. But when you actually analyze why the game was exciting it was because after a big play by MU, cuse would have another stupid TO for a huge breakaway. It wasn't good defense but rather the orange got nervous and screwed up. Bad basketball with extremely athletic players lead to exciting plays. Nba players are just too calm and skilled to give up runs like that. When you have a run in the nba it is usually do to great plays, not mistakes... But it's much rarer.
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Post#202 » by MikeIsGood » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:53 am

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DrugBust wrote:I disagree with the idea that HS kids are qualified to play in the NBA because their draft position says they are. Most HS players are terrible early. But teams take them (and this applies to most one and dones too) because elite players win you titles in the NBA, and upside will never not be the biggest factor when drafting.

So will a team take that stud HS kid in the 1st round? Sure. Does that mean he's able to actually contribute to a team? Hell no.

I'm in favor of doing it the way MLB does. Preps are eligible, but if you go to college you have to play three years or played JC ball. But I'd expand rookie contracts two years for players taken out of HS and drop a year from players taken after their junior season.


All of this is spot on.


I agree with all of this, as well. But to expound further, I don't think this solves the NFL debate. I would not put it past a team to take a HSer in the draft because of potential. It plays into part of the point of DB's post here. Someone would do it because of potential alone. Javaris Jones will change this team in three years when he is matured! Well, if he makes it to three years from now before being killed. Worth the risk. Seems legit.
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Re: Official Tobias Harris watch thread 

Post#203 » by MikeIsGood » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:56 am

tonyreyes123 wrote:College basketball sucks.


There will always be a division here between people who flat-out disagree with the other side. I am completely okay with it, and I think it is interesting, but I am on the other side.
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Post#204 » by Frank Nova » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:23 am

Tobias just followed suit. Nothing out of the ordinary. He was a rather highly touted high school player and probably knew from decision day he was 1 and done just like majority of talented college kids.

I don't think college basketball is terrible necessarily, I just think it's becoming a monopoly. It's harder on recruiters and coaching staffs anymore than it is on the kids. The programs are the 1s suffering. These kids are already treated like local celebrities from the get go. Is that a way to get the used to life as a pro athlete or a way to entice them to stick around longer and enjoy it?

Exposure and a coach who doesn't believe in seniority are basically what these kids are looking for. Who's really to blame?
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Post#205 » by Finn » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:13 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote: Bad basketball with extremely athletic players lead to exciting plays. Nba players are just too calm and skilled to give up runs like that.

:-? Have you watched the Bucks?
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Post#206 » by El Duderino » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:31 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
tonyreyes123 wrote:College basketball sucks.

I went to the mu game tonight and the place was rocking. But when you actually analyze why the game was exciting it was because after a big play by MU, cuse would have another stupid TO for a huge breakaway. It wasn't good defense but rather the orange got nervous and screwed up. Bad basketball with extremely athletic players lead to exciting plays. Nba players are just too calm and skilled to give up runs like that. When you have a run in the nba it is usually do to great plays, not mistakes... But it's much rarer.


The student sections at college games are what makes it so enjoyable for me at least.

I couldn't make it to the MU/Syracuse game, but watched it on TV and i could just feel the atmosphere coming through that TV. On the flip side, most NBA games have a much blander atmosphere except for pockets of excitement during a close game. That's a big factor in why i rarely attend Bucks games anymore, to often it's a largely dull experience as most of the crowd sits on their hands for 80% of the game.

Go to a say MU/Pitt, MU/Syracuse, UW/MSU, UW/OSU, etc type of game instead and the arena is rocking most of that game, and the students are a big reason why.

I'll grant that the quality of play in college ball has decreased now that most top players leave after a year or two at most, but for me there is an excitement factor to college regular season games that the NBA just can't match until their playoffs start.
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Post#207 » by Sherman Douglas » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:32 pm

Report: Tobias Harris ate lunch at Arby's.
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Post#208 » by El Duderino » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:51 pm

weezybaby856 wrote:Tobias just followed suit. Nothing out of the ordinary. He was a rather highly touted high school player and probably knew from decision day he was 1 and done just like majority of talented college kids.

I don't think college basketball is terrible necessarily, I just think it's becoming a monopoly. It's harder on recruiters and coaching staffs anymore than it is on the kids. The programs are the 1s suffering. These kids are already treated like local celebrities from the get go. Is that a way to get the used to life as a pro athlete or a way to entice them to stick around longer and enjoy it?

Exposure and a coach who doesn't believe in seniority are basically what these kids are looking for. Who's really to blame?


I think you're exaggerating to a degree here. Each year in college ball on average, there are how many one and done players? Off the top of my head i'd say 15-20 kids among 2-3 thousand of college players.

Go through the rosters of say the top 20 ranked teams right now and the vast vast majority of the players are kids who will end up staying 2-5 years. Sure, many of those kids who enter college ball want to play right away, but so did they 10-20 years ago. A lot of these guys also do have delusions about their realistic goal of reaching the NBA, but how different is that from kids entering college ball in the 80's or 90's?

One thing which i do believe hurts college ball is the AAU circuit which in many cases teaches kids to play as individuals instead of team basketball because they want to get noticed and for a lot of these kids, they think scoring is how to get noticed. Then the college coach has to try and re-program that mentality out of a kid thinking that way.
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Post#209 » by ampd » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:20 pm

Going to something closer to what the MLB does would be best I think. Obviously the thing where draft picks can just decline to play in the NBA and get re drafted by a different team would have to be modified.
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Post#210 » by trwi7 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:51 pm

ampd wrote:Going to something closer to what the MLB does would be best I think. Obviously the thing where draft picks can just decline to play in the NBA and get re drafted by a different team would have to be modified.


Make it like the NHL where a team holds your rights whether it be in college or juniors. When you are ready to leave college after your junior year or after you graduate, the team that drafted you holds your rights. There's probably some give and take where they should be able to negotiate a rookie deal. If you're potentially taking a couple of years away from their playing career, they should be compensated imo. Not a ton but they should have some added value on their rookie deals.

And the NCAA is better than the NBA because of upsets and atmosphere.
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Post#211 » by Badgerlander » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:52 am

So glad i picked Tobias up on my keeper league immediately after I heard about the trade
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Post#212 » by UWM_Brew_Buck » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:10 am

DocHoliday wrote:So glad i picked Tobias up on my keeper league immediately after I heard about the trade


I just replaced one of my injured guys with him. He's 4-4 now with 1 blk, reb, ast and stl.
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Post#213 » by Badgerlander » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:14 am

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Post#214 » by emunney » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:17 am

I watch college basketball almost exclusively to look for the next pro players. The level of basketball in the NBA is so much better. The guys we talk about being not ready for the NBA still are very good to great college players.

I also love the tourney, of course, (pretty much impossible to not love it) but the NBA playoffs are on another level entirely in terms of my enjoyment. The level of play is just mind boggling. A game 7 in the NBA is the pinnacle of watching sports for me.

I also agree with El Dude that college fans make up for a lot. If I had a choice between going to watch the Bobcats in Charlotte or catching any of the area NCAA teams, I'd take the live show at UNC, NCSU or Duke every time, given they're not playing some DII team. And even then I'd still go to Cameron... but it's also right down the street.
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Post#215 » by trwi7 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:01 am

Is it okay to talk about Tobes' 12 points (5-6 FG) and 4 rebounds in 24 minutes because the Magic are up by 20 on the Sixers?
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Post#216 » by linguini8 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:06 am

From magic board:

"where does henny find these guys. never even heard of harris before the trade and he shows up and plays like carmelo anthony"
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Post#217 » by bigkurty » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:08 am

linguini8 wrote:From magic board:

"where does henny find these guys. never even heard of harris before the trade and he shows up and plays like carmelo anthony"

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Post#218 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:08 am

linguini8 wrote:From magic board:

"where does henny find these guys. never even heard of harris before the trade and he shows up and plays like carmelo anthony"


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Post#219 » by bullox » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:17 am

trwi7 wrote:Is it okay to talk about Tobes' 12 points (5-6 FG) and 4 rebounds in 24 minutes because the Magic are up by 20 on the Sixers?


Yes, it is. He had a good game and contributed to a win.

Is that the answer you were looking for?
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Post#220 » by paul » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:17 am

16/7/2 on 9 shots.

20 years old.

Trade that scrub immediately.

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