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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#181 » by 80sballboy » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:33 am

nate33 wrote:Seraphin is still glued to the bench. Wittman is making the right call here. Seraphin certainly can't claim that he didn't get his opportunity. Now it's time for Booker and Singleton to get some burn and see if one of them can step up and secure the backup PF spot.


They're all garbage Nate. I love how people have been killing Wittman this season. Maybe you can kill the organization overall for the way they develop players but WIt has very few if any options after Nene/Okafor. Seraphin looked good early and then teams adjusted and he has been horrific. Seraphin, Singleton, Vesely and Booker. All first-rounders and Booker is the best option. I think the Spurs' 15th man is better than those guys. We desperately need a 4/5 man in the draft. Not just a project. One that can play.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#182 » by TGW » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:47 am

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nate33 wrote:Seraphin is still glued to the bench. Wittman is making the right call here. Seraphin certainly can't claim that he didn't get his opportunity. Now it's time for Booker and Singleton to get some burn and see if one of them can step up and secure the backup PF spot.


They're all garbage Nate. I love how people have been killing Wittman this season. Maybe you can kill the organization overall for the way they develop players but WIt has very few if any options after Nene/Okafor. Seraphin looked good early and then teams adjusted and he has been horrific. Seraphin, Singleton, Vesely and Booker. All first-rounders and Booker is the best option. I think the Spurs' 15th man is better than those guys. We desperately need a 4/5 man in the draft. Not just a project. One that can play.


Amen bro...I think Whitman has done about the best he could do with the cards he's been dealt. The bench is pretty much a mixed-bag every night, and I'm sure he's on the verge of crapping his pants anytime one of Nene/Oak has to sit. Thanks to our masterful GM, if any one of the starters go down for any period of time, this time is severely screwed.

Oddly enough, this has been a shockingly healthy season for our frontcourt, because normally Okafor and Nene are pretty known to miss their fair share of games throughout a season.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#183 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:56 am

nuposse04 wrote:The funny thing is 11 of our next 12 are very winnable games, the only "hard" one being the knicks at "home." Hopefully Randy has the team actually taking it one at a time though.


What if they go 9-3 over the next 12?

At that point the Wizards would be sitting at 27-40 with 15 games to play. They should be projected to win 10 or 11 based on their play over those past 12 games. Taking 9 of the next 12 will give the Wiz a very legit expectation of 37 or 38 wins, and a decent shot at the playoffs.

I like to think if they win the next four they can split the rest and still be looking good.

Bottom line: .750 ball gets them in. Sixty-one win pace is very likely not going to happen but the Wizards do have a pretty easy schedule from here on out.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#184 » by Deivy202 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:58 am

Where 7 games back from tying with the bucs thats amazing.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#185 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:04 am

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nate33 wrote:Seraphin is still glued to the bench. Wittman is making the right call here. Seraphin certainly can't claim that he didn't get his opportunity. Now it's time for Booker and Singleton to get some burn and see if one of them can step up and secure the backup PF spot.


They're all garbage Nate. I love how people have been killing Wittman this season. Maybe you can kill the organization overall for the way they develop players but WIt has very few if any options after Nene/Okafor. Seraphin looked good early and then teams adjusted and he has been horrific. Seraphin, Singleton, Vesely and Booker. All first-rounders and Booker is the best option. I think the Spurs' 15th man is better than those guys. We desperately need a 4/5 man in the draft. Not just a project. One that can play.


I have been praising the guy.

If you look at Wittman's teams from Minnesota (except perhaps his final season) and at Cleveland you'll find all those rosters sucked. Wittman has been anti-Phil Jackson. He NEVER had a loaded roster of stars. He had no stars and flux in all his lineups before. What he's doing now with more talent is showing that he's not a bad coach.

I have loved Wittman's use of a deep bench and that he's gotten great defense and unselfishness out of all players (except most times Seraphin). The best thing about Wittman is he is a stand up guy. His doghouse is open for any player remaining with the team, but he lets guys out of the doghouse, too.

I was all for Dave Joerger for coach last season but was thoroughly impressed with the 6-0 finish last season. Wittman had so much more success in areas Flip and preceding coaches failed, that I felt he's a good coach. Forget Joerger unless Randy loses the confidence of his team.

I feel really good about Wittman now, but for those who didn't before they have to recognize now.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#186 » by nuposse04 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:19 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:The funny thing is 11 of our next 12 are very winnable games, the only "hard" one being the knicks at "home." Hopefully Randy has the team actually taking it one at a time though.


What if they go 9-3 over the next 12?

At that point the Wizards would be sitting at 27-40 with 15 games to play. They should be projected to win 10 or 11 based on their play over those past 12 games. Taking 9 of the next 12 will give the Wiz a very legit expectation of 37 or 38 wins, and a decent shot at the playoffs.

I like to think if they win the next four they can split the rest and still be looking good.

Bottom line: .750 ball gets them in. Sixty-one win pace is very likely not going to happen but the Wizards do have a pretty easy schedule from here on out.


Honestly, if you just step back and look at each of the next 12...there isn't any real reason so lose any of them, maybe at Brooklyn. 9-3 over that span is probably being overly optimistic but I wouldn't be surprised if it came into fruition. The thing is, April is when the schedule starts to suck testicles. Our chances at the P word will probably lost there.

Then again if Wall's lowered play is a function of prolonged rust and he's able to shake it off as we go on, victories might actually come a little easier.

I'd be happy if we ended up with 30 wins this season, but there isn't a doubt in my mind this team could have at least aspired to being a 5th seed if healthy. If getting hampered by injuries gives us a chance at otto porter, I don't see why we can't become like a team like the Pacers. There are silver linings in this season, that and Beal seems to have a higher ceiling than I originally thought he'd have.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#187 » by Deivy202 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:39 am

I wouldn't mind winning but the problem is............E........G.........is the guy who picks the players and he sucks at it.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#188 » by dangermouse » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:26 am

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80sballboy wrote:
nate33 wrote:Seraphin is still glued to the bench. Wittman is making the right call here. Seraphin certainly can't claim that he didn't get his opportunity. Now it's time for Booker and Singleton to get some burn and see if one of them can step up and secure the backup PF spot.


They're all garbage Nate. I love how people have been killing Wittman this season. Maybe you can kill the organization overall for the way they develop players but WIt has very few if any options after Nene/Okafor. Seraphin looked good early and then teams adjusted and he has been horrific. Seraphin, Singleton, Vesely and Booker. All first-rounders and Booker is the best option. I think the Spurs' 15th man is better than those guys. We desperately need a 4/5 man in the draft. Not just a project. One that can play.


Amen bro...I think Whitman has done about the best he could do with the cards he's been dealt. The bench is pretty much a mixed-bag every night, and I'm sure he's on the verge of crapping his pants anytime one of Nene/Oak has to sit. Thanks to our masterful GM, if any one of the starters go down for any period of time, this time is severely screwed.

Oddly enough, this has been a shockingly healthy season for our frontcourt, because normally Okafor and Nene are pretty known to miss their fair share of games throughout a season.


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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#189 » by Severn Hoos » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:19 am

nuposse04 wrote:The funny thing is 11 of our next 12 are very winnable games, the only "hard" one being the knicks at "home." Hopefully Randy has the team actually taking it one at a time though.


He should gather the team together at the next practice and tell them that NOW is the time to harvest their nuts.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#190 » by hands11 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:33 pm

nate33 wrote:
tontoz wrote:The Wizards were 7-12 from 3, and two of those misses were desperation heaves by Booker and Beal. When they make 3s it seems like win pretty consistently. I can't remember too many games where they shot well from 3 and lost.

Beal and Webster have gotten to the point where they're just ridiculous. They've each shot 50% from 3-point range in 2013. And together they've combined for over 200 attempts.


Hes all grown up. Puts a tear in my eye :wink:

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... t/3-points

1) Kyle Korver .464
2) Martell Webster .449

2nd in the league with 207 attempts in nothing to sneeze at.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#191 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:04 pm

nate33 wrote:
tontoz wrote:The Wizards were 7-12 from 3, and two of those misses were desperation heaves by Booker and Beal. When they make 3s it seems like win pretty consistently. I can't remember too many games where they shot well from 3 and lost.

Beal and Webster have gotten to the point where they're just ridiculous. They've each shot 50% from 3-point range in 2013. And together they've combined for over 200 attempts.



Very odd to have two guys that hot from 3 at the same time.

I would really like to ask Beal what caused the turnaround his 3 ball. Going from 18% to 50% overnight is pretty bizarre.
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Post#192 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:21 pm

Dion Waiters (Cleveland's version of Beal) has undergone a similar path and timeline of improvement that Beal has, except that his 3 point shooting hasn't followed Beal's.
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Post#193 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:26 pm

AFM wrote:He's also shooting 57% from the right corner 3
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/playe ... 2-2013-REG

70 percent in the last month. 70 percent!!!!!!

Maybe someone in the Wiz organization should get credit for this (heaven forbid). Maybe this person identified the corner 3 as a high efficiency shot and gave the order that the Wiz are going to shoot more of them?

And then again, maybe teams will start defending the Wiz to try to take away the corner 3.
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Post#194 » by sfam » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:04 pm

Playoffs??? Are you kiddin me? Playoffs?

Seriously, if we were only playing teams with winning records, perhaps we'd have a chance, but we have a bevy of low quality teams on our schedule. The Wizards play down to their competition - unless that changes, we have a much better chance of getting Otto than we do getting to the playoffs.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#195 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:25 pm

tontoz wrote:
nate33 wrote:
tontoz wrote:The Wizards were 7-12 from 3, and two of those misses were desperation heaves by Booker and Beal. When they make 3s it seems like win pretty consistently. I can't remember too many games where they shot well from 3 and lost.

Beal and Webster have gotten to the point where they're just ridiculous. They've each shot 50% from 3-point range in 2013. And together they've combined for over 200 attempts.



Very odd to have two guys that hot from 3 at the same time.

I would really like to ask Beal what caused the turnaround his 3 ball. Going from 18% to 50% overnight is pretty bizarre.


Beal said that he started working more with Sam Cassell before and after practice shooting jumpers. Cassell helped raise Beal's confidence.
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Post#196 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:28 pm

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tontoz wrote:
nate33 wrote:Beal and Webster have gotten to the point where they're just ridiculous. They've each shot 50% from 3-point range in 2013. And together they've combined for over 200 attempts.



Very odd to have two guys that hot from 3 at the same time.

I would really like to ask Beal what caused the turnaround his 3 ball. Going from 18% to 50% overnight is pretty bizarre.


Beal said that he started working more with Sam Cassell before and after practice shooting jumpers. Cassell helped raise Beal's confidence.

Maybe Sam decided to do the opposite of whatever he's done with Wall.
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Post#197 » by Higga » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:32 pm

Beal was a slow starter at Florida too. Kid just needed to get comfortable and confident.

I can't wait to see how good he is a year or two from now. Kid will be the best SG in the East(D Wade only has a couple years left).
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Post#198 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:07 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:Beal said that he started working more with Sam Cassell before and after practice shooting jumpers. Cassell helped raise Beal's confidence.




Intersting. He is shooting them much better now than he did from closer college line.

Hopefully Sam will teach him some of those pump fakes. He was a master at getting guys off their feet and getting to the line.
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Post#199 » by dobrojim » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:20 pm

nuposse04 wrote:The funny thing is 11 of our next 12 are very winnable games, the only "hard" one being the knicks at "home." Hopefully Randy has the team actually taking it one at a time though.


we play @ BKN on 3/8. I would include that as a hard one.
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Re: Wiz vs TOR Game Thread 2/25/13 7PM - Its a win 3-0 

Post#200 » by FAH1223 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:22 pm

Ruzious wrote:Maybe Sam decided to do the opposite of whatever he's done with Wall.


They told Wall to stop shooting 3s.

Wall shot nearly 30% in his rookie year and made 41 of them.
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