Dwayne Casey's Horrible Coaching

[Rapcity_11]

Here we are talking about offense. yeah you would like to step away from the isos and start generating off ball screens and cuts for players not named Derozan but i would be more concerned about the 26th ranked defense at this point.


Considering that Casey is supposed to be a "defensive minded" coach, it is baffling how bad this team is on that end.

The team now is different than before Gay. They're a better defensive squad that labours in the half-court at times.

Also, it doesn't matter how defensive minded a coach is, they need capable defensive players in order to succeed.

[hyper316]

let's be real, he is just a assistant coach good for defense. the guy does not know offensive or a proper play out of a timeout.

[Undefeated]

So you just solved the problem it seems. Why can't Casey?

Because he has a team that has below league average 3-Pt shooting, and lack of high IQ players that don't know when to/time their cut, screen, fake and pass which are all the essentials to having a crisp motion offense like the Spurs.

[TheRealDeal]

Does our local media ever question him about his rotations? Just curious...I'd like to hear his explanation for some of those units. He obviously knows more than we do. We don't see what happens in practice or know every detail about his gameplan. Shouldn't at least one of Rudy or DeMar be out there most of the time? The Lucas-Anderson lineup almost cost us the Knicks game and they got us in a hole last night after we had it tied up in the 3rd. What takes him so long to put in Lowry in the 4th? Why doesn't Val ever play in the 4th? I understand that he doesn't trust him, but why? Val seems like a pretty clutch player, I'm sure he'd thrive with the game on the line. Is there any evidence that the small ball lineup has been working? I'm just curious to hear his explanation for some of those decisions..I'm sure he has his reasons, the guy knows more about basketball than we do no matter how big of an idiot some think he is.

[Indeed]

I guess v_v_v and undefeated have explained most of the thing.
The "lazy" weakside cuts, the lack of extra pass, and weak 3 point shooters.

I think we have the talent, but we have yet to put them together. Not sure if this is Casey or the players, but probably it takes time to practice every detail of those plays.

[Big Shot]

It's not about talent. It's about lack of focus and attention to details.

[Truthrising]

Hey guys been reading realgm for pretty long now but never posted. Anyways, you guys are not the only ones that think casey is a horrible coach. Last year i went out to eat at chinese restaurant on spadina...guess who i bump into there...James Johnson! I bumped into him the day after they lost to Chicago last year when Luol Deng had tipin at the buzzer. I asked him wtf happened? I told him my friend had a 5 game parlay he waged 300 to win 10000 and he lost that parlay because the Raptors lost to the Bulls. James Johnson replied and said "its coaching man...every game we lose is because of coaching." Btw James Johnson is a great cool dude. He ended up buying me and my dad shots of greygoose and we did the same and he ended up paying for our whole bill. Great guy! So anyways back to Casey, now i understand why he said coaching was the issue and why he got traded. Ill post a pic of me my dad and James Johnson. I wonder how many other players on our team thinks Casey is a horrible coach.

I'll be looking forward to the pics, I guess James Johnson really did know what he was talking about when he and Casey had different views on coaching, man I wish we had him back

[MikeM]

So you just solved the problem it seems. Why can't Casey?

Because he has a team that has below league average 3-Pt shooting, and lack of high IQ players that don't know when to/time their cut, screen, fake and pass which are all the essentials to having a crisp motion offense like the Spurs.

Seems like there is nothing any coach can do for our offense then!

[Clutch Carter]

I'm sorry, any coach that lets AA chuck with impunity isn't worth a damn.

I remember that OT when he took like 5-6 straight shots or something like that? Ridiculous.

[Big Shot]

Jack Armstrong has never questioned any Raps' coaches' decision makings until recently. So I guess Jack overlooked the fact that the players on the current roster are lack of basketball IQ and can't do anything right.

Butch Carter has also criticized Casey's coaching in more than one radio interviews. So he is apparently an idiot.

[ill3stbucky]

Hey guys been reading realgm for pretty long now but never posted. Anyways, you guys are not the only ones that think casey is a horrible coach. Last year i went out to eat at chinese restaurant on spadina...guess who i bump into there...James Johnson! I bumped into him the day after they lost to Chicago last year when Luol Deng had tipin at the buzzer. I asked him wtf happened? I told him my friend had a 5 game parlay he waged 300 to win 10000 and he lost that parlay because the Raptors lost to the Bulls. James Johnson replied and said "its coaching man...every game we lose is because of coaching." Btw James Johnson is a great cool dude. He ended up buying me and my dad shots of greygoose and we did the same and he ended up paying for our whole bill. Great guy! So anyways back to Casey, now i understand why he said coaching was the issue and why he got traded. Ill post a pic of me my dad and James Johnson. I wonder how many other players on our team thinks Casey is a horrible coach.

I'll be looking forward to the pics, I guess James Johnson really did know what he was talking about when he and Casey had different views on coaching, man I wish we had him back

Here you go bud.

[Rapcity_11]

So you just solved the problem it seems. Why can't Casey?

Because he has a team that has below league average 3-Pt shooting, and lack of high IQ players that don't know when to/time their cut, screen, fake and pass which are all the essentials to having a crisp motion offense like the Spurs.

Seems like there is nothing any coach can do for our offense then!

Well no, Casey is likely a mediocre offensive coach. There are a bunch of guys who would likely do better.

It's just that mindless bashing of what the Raptors run is woefully ignorant of what the Raptors are actually running and how basketball at the NBA level is defended.

[G R E Y]

Has anyone in the Raps organization called this guy yet? Seems our line-ups could use him:

Dr. Wayne Winston's work may do to the NBA what Sabermetrics did to MLB

After every Knicks game Winston emails a detailed report to 15 Knicks staff members, including members of the coaching staff up to the front office. Included in the report is the effectiveness of each player per 48-minute game, which he and Sagarin calculate by taking the raw plus/minus and adjusting it to the other nine players on the court and the strength of the opponent. The email also includes the best 2-3-4-5 player combinations, best and worst lineups, effectiveness of each player by position, and the impact each player has on the game by quarter relative to the average NBA player (discounting garbage time).

Winston proved analytically that Carmelo Anthony is more effective at the power forward position than his natural small forward position. The adjustment helped the Knicks start the season 18-5. He also identified the strength of a seldom used lineup of Pablo Prigioni, Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith, Steve Novak and Amar'e Stoudemire. Down 18-6 against the Sacramento Kings on Feb 2, the Knicks inserted that lineup combination -- though Winston can't say for certain it was because of his suggestion -- and it helped spark a 40-4 Knicks run and an eventual 120-81 blowout victory.

Think of the potential.

If the Los Angeles Lakers had Winston in their corner, they would realize that forward Earl Clark is horrible in the second half. Instead, the Lakers should be playing a lineup of Steve Nash, Jodie Meeks, Kobe Bryant, Metta World Peace and Dwight Howard, Winston said. (See Row 15 compared to Row 1).

Winston, a Professor of Operations & Decision Technologies at the Indiana University Kelley School of Business, cool numbers nerd, willing to help those who ask for it. Hmm...

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/dr-wayne-winstons-may-nba-sabermetrics-did-mlb-155600962--nba.html

[vini_vidi_vici]

Has anyone in the Raps organization called this guy yet? Seems our line-ups could use him:

Dr. Wayne Winston's work may do to the NBA what Sabermetrics did to MLB

After every Knicks game Winston emails a detailed report to 15 Knicks staff members, including members of the coaching staff up to the front office. Included in the report is the effectiveness of each player per 48-minute game, which he and Sagarin calculate by taking the raw plus/minus and adjusting it to the other nine players on the court and the strength of the opponent. The email also includes the best 2-3-4-5 player combinations, best and worst lineups, effectiveness of each player by position, and the impact each player has on the game by quarter relative to the average NBA player (discounting garbage time).

Winston proved analytically that Carmelo Anthony is more effective at the power forward position than his natural small forward position. The adjustment helped the Knicks start the season 18-5. He also identified the strength of a seldom used lineup of Pablo Prigioni, Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith, Steve Novak and Amar'e Stoudemire. Down 18-6 against the Sacramento Kings on Feb 2, the Knicks inserted that lineup combination -- though Winston can't say for certain it was because of his suggestion -- and it helped spark a 40-4 Knicks run and an eventual 120-81 blowout victory.

Think of the potential.

If the Los Angeles Lakers had Winston in their corner, they would realize that forward Earl Clark is horrible in the second half. Instead, the Lakers should be playing a lineup of Steve Nash, Jodie Meeks, Kobe Bryant, Metta World Peace and Dwight Howard, Winston said. (See Row 15 compared to Row 1).

Winston, a Professor of Operations & Decision Technologies at the Indiana University Kelley School of Business, cool numbers nerd, willing to help those who ask for it. Hmm...

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/dr-wayne-winstons-may-nba-sabermetrics-did-mlb-155600962--nba.html

They probably do, think of it this way, they installed SportVu, they have access to more data than BBRef and look what we can derive from that. Are we exploiting that same thing, probably, but to what degree im unsure.

Read this Q & A with Alex Rucker. It gives you sort of a peek into what they can do.

[pleomax]

Casey seriously needs to get out... and needs to take #1 option Alan Anderson with him

[vini_vidi_vici]

Seems like there is nothing any coach can do for our offense then!

Look you make some valid points as to what the team needs, and I love this kind of discussion. Also thank you for Vorped, never seen that before, just another great resource for data.

My point is that id love to run half the stuff they do, but the personnel isnt a fit. Everything comes off their big 3 (Dunc/Gino/TP) being the creators, and EVERYONE else (save for Splitter) can shoot the 3. Same thing with Miami. So now when you have everyone a threat to hit the shot, if the defense sags on their creators, kick it for a 3, or incases that the D is closing fast, take it off the dribble. If it doesnt, the big 3 make you pay, pick your poison. So now youve got all average, or above average 3 pt shooters, you say well just close out on them. This is rule number one in basketball, everyone can dribble the ball unimpeded and make a layup, more specifically at the NBA level.

From the Raptors perspective, no one closes out that hard on anyone, because they want to force the outside shoot, for obvious reasons. So now youre dribbling into a player whos rotating yes, but giving the shot, not trying to take it away. Pack the paint, thats how you stop the Raptors, thats whats been happening to the Raptors. So now youve got guys who have no one to kick too, shooting with bad efficiency. No ones midrange game is that dominant on this team either. So what does Casey do if no one will bite on outside shots, freeing guys to take it to the rim? And if your best 3 shooters are 2 PGs and AA, who should he have used otherwise?

[ballislife]

Hey guys been reading realgm for pretty long now but never posted. Anyways, you guys are not the only ones that think casey is a horrible coach. Last year i went out to eat at chinese restaurant on spadina...guess who i bump into there...James Johnson! I bumped into him the day after they lost to Chicago last year when Luol Deng had tipin at the buzzer. I asked him wtf happened? I told him my friend had a 5 game parlay he waged 300 to win 10000 and he lost that parlay because the Raptors lost to the Bulls. James Johnson replied and said "its coaching man...every game we lose is because of coaching." Btw James Johnson is a great cool dude. He ended up buying me and my dad shots of greygoose and we did the same and he ended up paying for our whole bill. Great guy! So anyways back to Casey, now i understand why he said coaching was the issue and why he got traded. Ill post a pic of me my dad and James Johnson. I wonder how many other players on our team thinks Casey is a horrible coach.

I'll be looking forward to the pics, I guess James Johnson really did know what he was talking about when he and Casey had different views on coaching, man I wish we had him back

Here you go bud.

Cool sh*t...

So that explains why Johnson was let go... he clearly had problems with Casey. I have to agree that the reason why we lose so many damn games is because of the way coaches and the questionable moves he makes (or fails to make).

His offense is terrible. Today some reporter asked him if he was disappointed with all the iso's and his response was something along the lines of: we just need to be taking it straight to the basket all the time. His concepts on O are ridiculous. It's a bunch of iso's and guys running off screens. There is no organization into it.

.... at another point in the interview Casey was quoted as saying "I don't care about winning" LOL there was more to it, but the fact that he said that is ridiculous.

[G R E Y]

Has anyone in the Raps organization called this guy yet? Seems our line-ups could use him:

Dr. Wayne Winston's work may do to the NBA what Sabermetrics did to MLB

After every Knicks game Winston emails a detailed report to 15 Knicks staff members, including members of the coaching staff up to the front office. Included in the report is the effectiveness of each player per 48-minute game, which he and Sagarin calculate by taking the raw plus/minus and adjusting it to the other nine players on the court and the strength of the opponent. The email also includes the best 2-3-4-5 player combinations, best and worst lineups, effectiveness of each player by position, and the impact each player has on the game by quarter relative to the average NBA player (discounting garbage time).

Winston proved analytically that Carmelo Anthony is more effective at the power forward position than his natural small forward position. The adjustment helped the Knicks start the season 18-5. He also identified the strength of a seldom used lineup of Pablo Prigioni, Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith, Steve Novak and Amar'e Stoudemire. Down 18-6 against the Sacramento Kings on Feb 2, the Knicks inserted that lineup combination -- though Winston can't say for certain it was because of his suggestion -- and it helped spark a 40-4 Knicks run and an eventual 120-81 blowout victory.

Think of the potential.

If the Los Angeles Lakers had Winston in their corner, they would realize that forward Earl Clark is horrible in the second half. Instead, the Lakers should be playing a lineup of Steve Nash, Jodie Meeks, Kobe Bryant, Metta World Peace and Dwight Howard, Winston said. (See Row 15 compared to Row 1).

Winston, a Professor of Operations & Decision Technologies at the Indiana University Kelley School of Business, cool numbers nerd, willing to help those who ask for it. Hmm...

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/dr-wayne-winstons-may-nba-sabermetrics-did-mlb-155600962--nba.html

They probably do, think of it this way, they installed SportVu, they have access to more data than BBRef and look what we can derive from that. Are we exploiting that same thing, probably, but to what degree im unsure.

Read this Q & A with Alex Rucker. It gives you sort of a peek into what they can do.

Thanks for the link. I thought in addition to Rucker (like other teams seem to use Winston while having their own stat guys). True Casey's got to work with what he's given, but whatever they're using isn't working as well as it could/should. I'd like to know the degree to which Raps are using Winston's services as well. Based on the successes mentioned in the article (hits, though no mention of misses), if Raps are using Winston's analyses, then the results don't speak well for his formulas. So I'd hazard a guess and say they're relying on their own guys far more if not entirely.

It's just fans are baffled by the method to Casey's madness when witnessing 0 for ___ and missed D assignments for far too long and hope there's some other way. Save us Obi-Winston Kenobi! (Shameless geek reference to lure him )

[bonjovi0308]

Think about it...what if we were out of the playoffs, but Ross still gets 10 mins per game playing behind AA....

[LascelleL]

Doug Collins should be available soon...shoot I still think we should give Smitch a 2nd chance