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Post#441 » by Ayt » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:50 pm

emunney wrote:I think maybe the biggest reason I'm not that upset about this is that the writing has been on the wall ever since he lost his starting job for the last time. At that point, my expectation became that we'd trade him for somebody I didn't like. We traded him for somebody I like, so I just can't get that worked up about the trade in and of itself. I had already made my peace with the fact that he probably wasn't in our plans. Also, between Sanders, Harris and Henson, Harris seemed to me to be clearly the 3rd best prospect. Obviously we could have kept all three, but in a relative sense, that's where I'd have put him in terms of his importance to the franchise's future.

I also think I was probably the only person who saw a creeping resemblance to Maggette in SL, but then again, Sanders looked like a poor man's Gadz in SL, so that's really neither here nor there.

The big picture stuff is what's most annoying: the fact that we didn't make any other moves that might have made us a real threat, that we're still a raft of lame ducks in choppy water, that we seem to be actively trying to be mediocre for as long as possible, etc. Trading a decent 20 year old prospect for a good 28 year old player is just the flare that illuminates the ocean of **** that is our franchise. But it's a perfectly good flare.


It is a testament to the sad state of affairs of this franchise when a loyal and very intelligent fan needs to jump through these mental hoops to be at peace with what the team does.

I'd much rather have traded Henson than Tobes if I had to choose, but I wouldn't have been dumb enough to actually put myself in a position to choose between those two unless I was getting back a legit All-Star caliber type player back in return.

I didn't think we'd trade Tobes. I figured we'd give him another offseason and let him compete for the starting spot next year. I was honestly shocked when I saw his name included in the trade.
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Re: Official Tobias Harris watch thread 

Post#442 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:55 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:I'd like to just stop talking about this.


:lol: :) :( :evil:
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Post#443 » by ackypoo » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:21 pm

Sigra wrote:Who he defended so far playing in Orlando? Hawes and some garbage players in first game? Wait until you play some real team with good wing players.

exactly. id much rather see lrmm or dunleavy out there than a 20 year old efficient scorer with all star potential because their games are so much more well rounded.

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Re: Official Tobias Harris watch thread 

Post#444 » by emunney » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:24 pm

Ayt wrote:
emunney wrote:I think maybe the biggest reason I'm not that upset about this is that the writing has been on the wall ever since he lost his starting job for the last time. At that point, my expectation became that we'd trade him for somebody I didn't like. We traded him for somebody I like, so I just can't get that worked up about the trade in and of itself. I had already made my peace with the fact that he probably wasn't in our plans. Also, between Sanders, Harris and Henson, Harris seemed to me to be clearly the 3rd best prospect. Obviously we could have kept all three, but in a relative sense, that's where I'd have put him in terms of his importance to the franchise's future.

I also think I was probably the only person who saw a creeping resemblance to Maggette in SL, but then again, Sanders looked like a poor man's Gadz in SL, so that's really neither here nor there.

The big picture stuff is what's most annoying: the fact that we didn't make any other moves that might have made us a real threat, that we're still a raft of lame ducks in choppy water, that we seem to be actively trying to be mediocre for as long as possible, etc. Trading a decent 20 year old prospect for a good 28 year old player is just the flare that illuminates the ocean of **** that is our franchise. But it's a perfectly good flare.


It is a testament to the sad state of affairs of this franchise when a loyal and very intelligent fan needs to jump through these mental hoops to be at peace with what the team does.

I'd also much rather have traded Henson than Tobes if I had to choose, but I wouldn't have been dumb enough to actually put myself in a position to choose between those two unless I was getting back a legit All-Star caliber type player back in return.

I didn't think we'd trade Tobes. I figured we'd give him another offseason and let him compete for the starting spot next year. I was honestly shocked when I saw his name included in the trade.


Yeah, I mean... that's pretty much where I am at this point. If I can just watch them without being 'rewarded' by seeing Drew Gooden vibrate around the lane at random with his arms at his sides like a **** electric football game piece, I'm mostly ok.
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Post#445 » by tski1972 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:37 pm

March 17th

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Tobes revenge.
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Post#446 » by kman1023 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:44 pm

Magic fan here. Still new to Tobias Harris player, really hoping he turns into someone special for Orlando. At the same time, I love JJ and sad to see him go. Just came here to say you guys are the funniest message board on RealGM. Although the Bucks make questionable decisions, you guys are as classy and humor filled as they come. I was going to give the nod to the Raptors board but after spending considerable time reading your threads you guys are the best. I'm constantly reading now just to get some laughs


Note: I'm not saying the team is a joke, rather the message board is filled with classic humor.

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Post#447 » by europa » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:45 pm

kman1023 wrote:Note: I'm not saying the team is a joke


It is and it's OK if you say it.
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Re: Official Tobias Harris watch thread 

Post#448 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:46 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:I'd like to just stop talking about this.


Here, why don't you read about Alex English. That will cheer you up.

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English spent the majority of his career with the Nuggets, but also played briefly with the Milwaukee Bucks, Indiana Pacers and Dallas Mavericks. He was drafted in 1976 by the Bucks, and was part of a rookie class that includes fellow Hall of Famers Robert Parish, Adrian Dantley and Dennis Johnson.

Most of his time in Milwaukee was spent as a back-up on a rebuilding team that lost Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. However, it was not until he was sent to Indiana in 1978 that he began his reputation as a scorer, averaging 16 points there on another subpar team before being traded to Denver.

English was traded to the Nuggets midway through the 1979–80 season for George McGinnis, a former Pacers star from their ABA days. It turned out to be one of the most one-sided trades in NBA history; McGinnis was only a shadow of his former self, and was out of the league by 1982.

English then commenced a highly low-key assault on the NBA scoring books. With the erratic, high-paced, and high-scoring Nuggets he averaged 21 points when he arrived in Denver in 1980, then proceeded with averages of 24, 25, 28, 26, 28, nearly 30 (in 1985–86), 29, 25, 27, and 18 points per game during his decade-long scoring spree. That made him the highest-scoring player of the time, a period where the NBA gained national prominence; he never sought out the spotlight, however. He decided to leave Denver in 1990, signing with the Dallas Mavericks.
He also led the Nuggets to nine consecutive playoffs, and for himself was awarded with three All-NBA Second Teams (1982, 1985, 1986), 8 All-Star appearances, set 31 team records in his decade in Denver, helped Denver win 2 Midwest Division titles and get to the 1985 Western Conference Finals, and was the leading scorer in 55% of the games he played in Denver.
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Post#449 » by trwi7 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:48 pm

kman1023 wrote:I was going to give the nod to the Raptors board but after spending considerable time reading your threads you guys are the best.


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Post#450 » by step3profit » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:51 pm

tski1972 wrote:March 17th

Orlando at Milwaukee

Tobes revenge.


I don't know if you guys ended up doing a bag night or whatever, but THIS is the game to show up at. Just cheer like mad dogs for Tobias and be totally quiet otherwise. No need for bags.
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Post#451 » by NerdsterBuck » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:52 pm

Tobias did not have a fair shot with us. Watching the Tobias' highlights with the Magic, he was able to handle the ball and drive just like during summer league. With us Jennings and Ellis are always ball hogging, leaving Tobias in the corner and not able to show his offensive skills.
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Post#452 » by Ayt » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:15 pm

NerdsterBuck wrote:Tobias did not have a fair shot with us. Watching the Tobias' highlights with the Magic, he was able to handle the ball and drive just like during summer league. With us Jennings and Ellis are always ball hogging, leaving Tobias in the corner and not able to show his offensive skills.


"Go stand in the corner, Tobes. We need to run the offense through our mental midget back court and our offensively inept big men."

Tobes gets benched 3 minutes into the game. He looks confused and surprised.

"Accept your embarrassment without explanation and like it." :banishes Tobes to the bench forever:

It actually is even funnier now that I think about it. Our only offensively talented big man, Ersan, was in a massive rut at the same time Tobias was starting which made our P&R game even worse than what you'd expect, yet we still couldn't run any plays for Tobias.
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Post#453 » by europa » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:38 pm

I still remember the game against Phoenix last season when Harris was guarding Redd and he got picked (not his fault), Redd scored and Skiles yanked him. I'm guessing he's thrilled he doesn't have to put up with that kind of BS anymore.
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Post#454 » by Ayt » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:42 pm

europa wrote:I still remember the game against Phoenix last season when Harris was guarding Redd and he got picked (not his fault), Redd scored and Skiles yanked him. I'm guessing he's thrilled he doesn't have to put up with that kind of BS anymore.


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Post#455 » by europa » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:43 pm

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europa wrote:I still remember the game against Phoenix last season when Harris was guarding Redd and he got picked (not his fault), Redd scored and Skiles yanked him. I'm guessing he's thrilled he doesn't have to put up with that kind of BS anymore.


Many people here will have you believe that coaches on the NBA level really don't matter.


Given the large number of poor to inept head coaches the Bucks have trotted out over the years it's rather shocking anyone here would feel that way.
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Post#456 » by ackypoo » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:45 pm

Ayt wrote:
europa wrote:I still remember the game against Phoenix last season when Harris was guarding Redd and he got picked (not his fault), Redd scored and Skiles yanked him. I'm guessing he's thrilled he doesn't have to put up with that kind of BS anymore.


Many people here will have you believe that coaches on the NBA level really don't matter.


yeah but thats not what they are referring to. im sure a coach can ruin a players career. but in terms have actually having impact on the outcome of a game, their effect is minimal.
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Post#457 » by mojosodope » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:46 pm

I think Tobe's game against Boston for us was the true turning point. You have 2 chucking guard (one believing he is a "Franchise" player) losing their shine to a 2nd year player showing a lot of potential. From this point on I think they had very little interest in watching him take any of their offensive shine.

Couple this with a bonehead coach, returning veterans and ridiculous management and it was very easy to find ways to relegate Tobes to the end of the bench
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Post#458 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:08 pm

Ayt wrote:
europa wrote:I still remember the game against Phoenix last season when Harris was guarding Redd and he got picked (not his fault), Redd scored and Skiles yanked him. I'm guessing he's thrilled he doesn't have to put up with that kind of BS anymore.


Many people here will have you believe that coaches on the NBA level really don't matter.


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Post#459 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:09 pm

ackypoo wrote:
Ayt wrote:
europa wrote:I still remember the game against Phoenix last season when Harris was guarding Redd and he got picked (not his fault), Redd scored and Skiles yanked him. I'm guessing he's thrilled he doesn't have to put up with that kind of BS anymore.


Many people here will have you believe that coaches on the NBA level really don't matter.


yeah but thats not what they are referring to. im sure a coach can ruin a players career. but in terms have actually having impact on the outcome of a game, their effect is minimal.


just curious... would you say a coach has more or less affect than fans who just watch the game?
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Post#460 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:12 pm

europa wrote:
Ayt wrote:
europa wrote:I still remember the game against Phoenix last season when Harris was guarding Redd and he got picked (not his fault), Redd scored and Skiles yanked him. I'm guessing he's thrilled he doesn't have to put up with that kind of BS anymore.


Many people here will have you believe that coaches on the NBA level really don't matter.


Given the large number of poor to inept head coaches the Bucks have trotted out over the years it's rather shocking anyone here would feel that way.


More shocking is that you've disregarded 25 years of inept rosters that went with them.

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