Official Tobias Harris watch thread (The End)

[Baddy Chuck]

It's all gonna ride on how there picks pan out in the next 2-3 drafts, just like any other rebuild.

For them to be a legit threat thats the case, they really aren't that far off from a playoff team IMO though. They have a center and they have a shooting guard, two of the toughest positions in the league to fill right now. If they had that wasted money to spend on crappy "fringe" all star types they'd be fighting for that 8th seed right with us.

It's going to take time, but they have the pieces in place.

[Scoops]

These Magic games haven't been close, Tobes's production is meaningless /green

Do you know how many scrubs thrive at the end of the year on teams that are deliberately tanking? Meaningless goes a little too far but it's not a stupid point.

[Wooderson]

These Magic games haven't been close, Tobes's production is meaningless /green

Do you know how many scrubs thrive at the end of the year on teams that are deliberately tanking? Meaningless goes a little too far but it's not a stupid point.

It is when he's 20 years-old and consistently shows this type of play any time he's on the court. Was Larry's play at the end of last year meaningless because the Bucks were the 9th seed? Tobias will be a stud offensive player, it's pretty evident at this point.

Guys are fighting for jobs/fighting for contract/fighting for playing time. It makes no sense to ignore this type of play unless it fits a certain narrative.

[paul]

Being left with the remnants of a team built around the best center in the league certainly doesn't help. Jameer, Hedo and Glen Davis taking up damn near 30 million would hinder any teams development.

Yeah their previous admin tired desperately to convince Dwight to stay over about 3 years by overpaying useless-without-him vets to surround him, the real problem with that comes when he leaves.

Hennigan will be working hard to dump all 3 of those guys over the next season while trying to find his young superstar and his couple of young all-starrish types. Look at Houston and realize it can happen in a huge hurry when done well.

It's all gonna ride on how there picks pan out in the next 2-3 drafts, just like any other rebuild.

Yeah but they've already got Vucevic, Tobes, Harkless, Nicholson so they aren't starting from an empty cupboard.

[Kerb Hohl]

I can't see why it is so stunning that some people suggest that a guy scoring 14 in garbage time in a tank-game is not a telling sign. Not that it is completely worth disregarding, but it's not something to proclaim a guy a superstar for. He made some wide-open plays on a tanking team against a tanker.

If you are confident in Harris, fine...but so many players put up bloated numbers in those games.

The game against Philly definitely is worthy of a look, though.

[Kerb Hohl]

These Magic games haven't been close, Tobes's production is meaningless /green

Do you know how many scrubs thrive at the end of the year on teams that are deliberately tanking? Meaningless goes a little too far but it's not a stupid point.

It is when he's 20 years-old and consistently shows this type of play any time he's on the court. Was Larry's play at the end of last year meaningless because the Bucks were the 9th seed? Tobias will be a stud offensive player, it's pretty evident at this point.

Guys are fighting for jobs/fighting for contract/fighting for playing time. It makes no sense to ignore this type of play unless it fits a certain narrative.

I bet I could find 5+ guys putting up solid numbers in these games that aren't that good for every Larry Sanders dominating the Bobcats in March. The guy that went over to Orlando in the trade with Tobias Harris is a good example.

EDIT: Look at John Salmons' numbers tonight. Stud!

[emunney]

11-4 in 15 minutes for Tobias tonight!

[Wooderson]

I bet I could find 5+ guys putting up solid numbers in these games that aren't that good for every Larry Sanders dominating the Bobcats in March. The guy that went over to Orlando in the trade with Tobias Harris is a good example.

EDIT: Look at John Salmons' numbers tonight. Stud!

Salmons? Comparing that crap to a 20 year-old... why? Salmons was 23 when he entered the league and didn't show any production until he was 27. Can't we just evaluate players by what they show on the court? What a lot of us see with Harris is fairly polished, highly skilled SF that has physical attributes to be a 20 ppg scorer. The only knock was his defense and that he can't see the court.

Even though many of us were calling for Sanders to take the majority of Gooden's minutes last year, many here shot back saying that these guys aren't different makers and that playing him over Gooden wouldn't matter, even in the short term. Well now that we've cleared that question up, we'll have to judge Tobias on how he performs in the minutes he gets.

[Ayt]

I can't see why it is so stunning that some people suggest that a guy scoring 14 in garbage time in a tank-game is not a telling sign. Not that it is completely worth disregarding, but it's not something to proclaim a guy a superstar for. He made some wide-open plays on a tanking team against a tanker.

If you are confident in Harris, fine...but so many players put up bloated numbers in those games.

The game against Philly definitely is worthy of a look, though.

His natural scoring ability should have been obvious during his rookie season to even the most dense and obtuse of Bucks fans. If he needs to blow up in the next 5-10 games for Orlando in order for you to see how gifted he is as a scorer, you are **** blind and should probably not comment all that much on young players in terms of their offensive potential. Tobias' offense skills are as obvious as an Anderson Silva knee to the face. If you can't recognize the natural scoring ability in a player as young as Harris, you should just accept that you are clueless when it comes to evaluating young players.

[blazza18]

11-4 in 15 minutes for Tobias tonight!

Garbage time imo.

[emunney]

Not watching the game, but Tobias isn't guarding Salmons, is he?

[emunney]

11-4 in 15 minutes for Tobias tonight!

Garbage time imo.

LOSING BY 27 TO SACRAMENTO IS NOT GARBAGE TIME!

[Kerb Hohl]

There are plenty of 20 year olds that dominate these games but are ho-hum players as well.

Yes, Harris has a good potential tag slapped on him but I was just pointing out how players that aren't that good averaging 9.3 PPG and are washed up can go 6-8 (last time I looked) with 16 and 6.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. The list of guys that got straight paid from scoring 15 ppg on tanking teams in these types of games is much larger than the ones that have actually done something in the pros.

I realize there are plenty on the Tobias-train, so that is fine. Just saying that you shouldn't trumpet a game where he had 5 wide open dunks in a game where nobody was trying as his "oh ****, why did we trade him?" moment.

[Ayt]

The people who think Tobias is not going to become a very good scorer and an All-Star caliber player are hilarious.

You are wrong about Tobias. The sooner you accept it, the better you will look. I don't know how you can be blind to his natural scoring ability, but you somehow are. You should try to plug that leak in your scouting game.

[paul]

Not watching the game, but Tobias isn't guarding Salmons, is he?

He was guarding James Johnson when I was watching, mixed with a few plays on Evans.

James Johnson is not only crap btw, but also fat.

[Kerb Hohl]

I can't see why it is so stunning that some people suggest that a guy scoring 14 in garbage time in a tank-game is not a telling sign. Not that it is completely worth disregarding, but it's not something to proclaim a guy a superstar for. He made some wide-open plays on a tanking team against a tanker.

If you are confident in Harris, fine...but so many players put up bloated numbers in those games.

The game against Philly definitely is worthy of a look, though.

His natural scoring ability should have been obvious during his rookie season to even the most dense and obtuse of Bucks fans. If he needs to blow up in the next 5-10 games for Orlando in order for you to see how gifted he is as a scorer, you are **** blind and should probably not comment all that much on young players in terms of their offensive potential. Tobias' offense skills are as obvious as an Anderson Silva knee to the face. If you can't recognize the natural scoring ability in a player as young as Harris, you should just accept that you are clueless when it comes to evaluating young players.

It's incredible how misunderstood I get on here. I'm talking about the Cleveland game and now I guess this one.

Holy ad hominem with a side of strawman there, brah.

[Scoops]

The people who think Tobias is not going to become a very good scorer and an All-Star caliber player are hilarious.

You are wrong about Tobias. The sooner you accept it, the better you will look.

LOL at this guy.

[Kerb Hohl]

The people who think Tobias is not going to become a very good scorer and an All-Star caliber player are hilarious.

You are wrong about Tobias. The sooner you accept it, the better you will look.

Except this isn't what we're saying.

[Ayt]

What are you saying? I admit, I'm not the brightest knife in the drawer.

[Wooderson]

I can't see why it is so stunning that some people suggest that a guy scoring 14 in garbage time in a tank-game is not a telling sign. Not that it is completely worth disregarding, but it's not something to proclaim a guy a superstar for. He made some wide-open plays on a tanking team against a tanker.

If you are confident in Harris, fine...but so many players put up bloated numbers in those games.

The game against Philly definitely is worthy of a look, though.

His natural scoring ability should have been obvious during his rookie season to even the most dense and obtuse of Bucks fans. If he needs to blow up in the next 5-10 games for Orlando in order for you to see how gifted he is as a scorer, you are **** blind and should probably not comment all that much on young players in terms of their offensive potential. Tobias' offense skills are as obvious as an Anderson Silva knee to the face. If you can't recognize the natural scoring ability in a player as young as Harris, you should just accept that you are clueless when it comes to evaluating young players.

It's incredible how misunderstood I get on here. I'm talking about the Cleveland game and now I guess this one.

Holy ad hominem with a side of strawman there, brah.

The relevant question is are you watching any of these games / been following the Bucks closely enough to see the very few minutes Tobes has played. It's easy to brush of his play and say plenty of guys produced at seasons end if you don't want to accept a strong opinion someone else has. At least explain why you don't think Tobias will be a very good scorer, instead of saying "hey, a ton guys have scored well on crappy teams and turned out to be scrubs".